SUPREME COURT STRIKES DOWN BANS ON GAY MARRIAGE IN US

author=JosephSeraph
well, regardless of all of that it's a fact that american kids born today will be surpised to know one day equal marriage wasn't everybody's right.
aaaaaaand there will be a lot less bigots then too. So we just gotta hold onto ourselves and not hide, society is already digesting us. We're part of it, and we're becoming more and more as time goes. One day, people will be as surprised and horrified of this past rejection of the lgbtqia as we get when we know women weren't (and still aren't, in some places) allowed to vote/work/study in the past.

Or we will enter a new dark age when the currant roman empire finally collapses, and new wars start springing up for the remaining nations to try to seize up the remainders of the American empire. Once the military that occupies 70-80% of the world is gone, the war will spring anew and spread like wildfire and the world will enter a new dark era.

This is the cycle of history. We are only now reclaiming the rights we had when we were Roman and not American. Now we are American, we are celebrating these small reclamations, but mark my words; This is only a reclamation. There will always be the men who lead, and those who follow, and as such, ideals will branch off. There will be bigots no matter what.
I'm just waiting to see what will happen...

well, idk about the us but here in brazil catholics used to preach black people have no soul, and thus can't marry or be treated as a human because people with no souls are basically animals.
and this is what they used as argument for the slavery, which ended in 1888

but yeah, @fatesforce is right. it's a cycle. only we're restarting the cycle with a much higher level of knowledge and technology, so it's kind of unpredictable how the events will turn. but yeah, a new dark age will (hopefully) not spring up on the next generation I think?

i mean, technology is advancing at such a steady pace people already invented organ printers.

author=LockeZ
I mean, a lot of like Game of Thrones even though they're not in favor of war. A lot of people like Harry Potter even though they're not in favor of the occult. A lot of people like Duck Dynasty even though they're not in favor of rednecks. Something you wouldn't want to do in real life can still make a good story.

That's a great point! I just wanted to make sure I hadn't gotten him to play a game that made him uncomfortable, though he probably would have said so if that was the case >.<;;

author=Feldschlacht IV
EDIT: Didn't mean to double quote. Please delete?

Nope.

For reference, this was aimed at a few people who acted like asses, not the majority of you who get a gold star for not being assholes.
People, stop shitting down someone's throat for having a different opinion please. It's pathetic to do, even if it's against your idea of 'what is right'. You're acting like twats. People have a right to their opinions no matter what they are. If one of you said "That Hitler was a nice guy." you don't condemn them to the pits of hell for it but ask them why they feel that way, and for examples. I mean, even Hitler had his good fucking side (he was very against animal abuse and brought in a slew of laws that saw people who abused animals fined and jailed for it. He also protected some Jewish people himself who he went to war with before everything got out of hand, mainly because they were his friends, but he still did it. Not exactly the devil in making, just a man who made some really really bad choices in hind-sight that spun completely out of control and saw the death of many, many people. I mean, he wasn't a great person but he had his good points.)


I grew up in a very religious family so I know what it's like to believe that homosexuality is a sin. Granted, I'm a LOT more open-minded than the rest of my family who would condemn people for it (though I gotta give my mum props for how she handled the gay friend I brought home one time - he absolutely loved her to bits and she didn't like his sexuality but still was fond of him as a person ("Love the person, not the sin", as she always says). It's something that is taught to you and there are some verses in the Bible that, when looked at a certain way, can be led to mean what most Christians believe. (I won't get into how a text translated through 3-4 different languages can lose it's nuance completely (nor point out what one translation can do to a game in that example - This guy are sick!) but I can see why people would believe it.)

That said, I'm a Christian but I subscribe to the whole "God wants us to search for our own truth, not have it preached to us without checking the source material and understanding it our own way" thing. And the source material needs to be taken in context, which most religious folk don't do - which leads to this issue.

So don't jump down the gullet over someone's opinion. Might as well jump down someone's gullet for liking jazz more than punk rock.


I'm still waiting for Australia to catch up with the marriage laws (fuck you Abbot) but I'm very happy for Americans who can now marry their loved ones.

Liberty
just a man who made some really really bad choices in hind-sight

In...hindsight? So, like, the Holocaust was a bad idea in hindsight??


@NeverSilent: Liberty's badly informed? Nonsense. Hell, she knows that most people in developing countries have iPhones!

I know what you mean Red! I'm the same with the pan/bi thing.

author=JosephSeraph
GRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOUP HUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGG!!!!! /O/

All the motherfucking hugs.

bi is a person that likes boys and girls, pan is a person that likes people :^D
i know it sounds like the same thing, but pan also includes people outside of the binary gender spectrum and also has a lesser focus on the gendered aspect of physical attraction... or something

XD


also brazil's also leading on the usage of internet
and I have like 3 or 4 phones? If you count the ones that have been robbed from me
i mean, I bought them
so I technically have them according to surveys and whatevs I think? XD

Pan is more about the person themselves, not about the gender. So it wouldn't matter if they were male, female, trans, hermaphrodite or anything else, you love that person.
Bi is more male/female oriented - trans usually don't fall under the header, so if you liked men and women, you'd be bi. If you liked a transwoman you'd be considered pan.

Pan is like the hippy version of sexuality. Don't care, will love. ^.^