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Max McGee
with sorrow down past the fence
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I CAN'T NOT MAKE GAMES.

I have enough lockerspace to hold an episode of Friends.

"We'll make a toast to absent friends and better days,
To remembering and being remembered as brave
And not as a bunch of whining jerks!

Don't lose your nerve.
Do not go straight
You must testify
(or I'm going to come to your house and punch you in the mouth)
cause CLOWNS MUST STAND."

- TW/IFS, "All The World Is A Stage Dive"
Iron Gaia
As the only human awake on board a space station controlled by an insane AI with delusions of deification, you must unravel the mystery of your own identity and discover: "What is the Iron Gaia?"

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Opinion: Stop Rating Demos, It's Unfair...To Completed Games

I don't think anyone would go for this, but I think I'd like a system on RMN where a score wasn't displayed for a game until it had at least, say, five reviews. (Individual reviews would have their scores displayed normally but the game as a whole would show as Not Yet Rated until total reviews = N, where N is 4 or 5 or whatever.)

Unfortunately, far too few people review games for this to be practical.

Opinion: Stop Rating Demos, It's Unfair...To Completed Games

I guess that's kind of a valid point...it still pisses me off that anyone might reject games with such a broad brush, but you make a good point.

Opinion: Stop Rating Demos, It's Unfair...To Completed Games

I don't know what kind of person is automatically ignoring all games with reviews of 3.5 Stars or less but I'm gonna go with an asshole? Yeah, let's go with an asshole. Fuck this person.

Opinion: Stop Rating Demos, It's Unfair...To Completed Games

I agree with everything Adon said although I'd put the threshold of Mediocre at 2.5 Stars or less.

How to write 300 words!

imma bout six months late to the party but...SRSLY...people are finding it difficult to write 300 measly words?

300 words is not like...a LOT...you guys SRSLY

(300 characters is an actual joke. that's like...two tweets and change.)

Opinion: Stop Rating Demos, It's Unfair...To Completed Games

Actually looking through all of her reviews the other day I noticed that nhubi had given almost NO games a rating of 4+, possibly actually none (I don't recall at the moment). I remember thinking... "MAN, what is she LOOKING for? doesn't she love ANYTHING?"

oh well. /tangent

Opinion: Stop Rating Demos, It's Unfair...To Completed Games

Nhubi has extremely well-written reviews, even if I don't always agree with her. She tends to be very harsh on quite a few games, but the opposition is always very well explained and delivered.


Nhubi is a weird case man. I haven't done like an extensive reading but I am pretty sure I agree with her relative ranking of almost all games...I'd just give 0.5-1.5 more stars to just about ALL of them compared to her ratings. So I've kind of like mentally added one star to all of her ratings to make her reviews more useful for me, lol.

Opinion: Stop Rating Demos, It's Unfair...To Completed Games

Oh, don't get me wrong. Scores, in general, bother me. Look at one of my own games and you have two people who thought it was stellar and amazing and one person who thought it was crap. The third person also thought that the critically acclaimed Grave Spirit and the wildly popular Legacies of Dondoran deserved 1.5 Star reviews, so clearly my vicious panning at least put me in august company.

The way that review averaging works means that because none of the scores are weighted, the game winds up with an aggregated score that is 'slightly above average'. I should be happy enough with this but...the truth is, two of the people who bothered to review the game thinking it was great and the other one person who bothered to review the game thinking it was crap doesn't mean the game is, in some objective sense, slightly above average. It doesn't mean anything except that two of the people who bothered to review the game thought it was great and the other one person who bothered to review the game thought it was crap. Basically, scores are nothing but a useful evaluative shorthand. They're not a "true measure of a game's worth" whatever that is. I don't think scores are problematic in and of themselves, I think it's the weight that other factors, like the site's structural interface/design and our own psychological design, give to these scores that creates a problem.

An interesting idea I just had is what if instead of using an average review score, when there was more than one starred review, the site staff picked one of the reviews to be the "featured review" for that game and used the star score of that one to display. This would obviously set one person's opinion above all others, and the staff would make a judgement call based on the quality of the review. I don't know, this obviously opens a whole can of worms on its own and I thought of about half a dozen problems with it just writing this paragraph, so I'm not actually advocating for it I'm just thinking out loud.

I don't think that getting rid of stars for everything entirely is feasible because honestly when you search the site for a game to play as a lot of our 'silent user majority' do, one of the parameters you want to be able to filter is 'overall goodness of game'. And let's say you arbitrarily set the minimum rating you were interested in to Four Stars (****), well even if you were looking for a science fiction RPG you'd automatically miss out on my game which one person thought was a 4.5 and another person thought was a 5 just because one other person thought it was a 1.5. So yeah the system as it exists is not awesome but abolishing stars entirely is not a practical solution because end-users wanting to search games by rating is a reasonable request. Hmm...

I think the idea of a game creator being able to opt out of displaying its score is fascinating...but I do worry about how the public would perceive games with 'hidden' scores, and this idea opens up its own whole host of issues.

But all that is a bigger and thornier issue than the question of whether or not to disable scores just for reviews of incomplete games specifically. I do have specific arguments I want to make here--namely an argument that unstarred reviews are "good enough" for end user evaluation of demos but not complete games--but it's going to have to wait until I am substantially less tired.

Opinion: Stop Rating Demos, It's Unfair...To Completed Games

On the contrary, you argue that incomplete games do not require your first function of reviews, which is to be recommended to people, and I am unconvinced, since I may want to find good games and play them even though they are not complete.


But doesn't looking at screenshots and reading game descriptions and reading comments and reading reviews (SANS SCORES) help you find (incomplete) games you might be interested in?

To push this to a not-roo-serious extreme, no one should ever give a rating to the Chronicles of Amber because Zelazny died before he finished the series.


That's only true if you use like an insanely narrow and almost impossible to achieve definition of 'finished'. Of course the Chronicles of Amber should be reviewed. It's comprised of ten finished novels!

I agree with you that A Blurred Line is an interesting edge case. And honestly it sort of spills into a larger issue which while a semantic issue is nonetheless really important...we use 'demo' in a completely different meaning than the entire greater gaming industry. The 3-5 hour long (IIRC) latest release of ABL really would not be described as a "demo" anywhere outside the microcosm of this community.

Opinion: Stop Rating Demos, It's Unfair...To Completed Games

One question: how am I supposed to proceed if I want to find a good demo to play, then?


I did actually invest literally hundreds of words into answering this question in the original article. Short version: use thine eyes.