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Wyvernjack
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CloseI've recently started watching Game of Thrones on HBO, and in my opinion, it has to be one of the best shows ever put on TV. I know HBO has had a lot of good shows (and still do), but does this blow away all of the rest or what? George j.R.R. Tolkien Martin is a genius and I'm glad he works with developing the show.
Have any of you read the books? Do any of you watch the show?
Have any of you read the books? Do any of you watch the show?
m4uesviecr
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Oh. I watch the show alright. There are a few shows that I mark my territory on the television for.
Law and Order SVU is one (but it's on netflix ;D).
Game of Thrones is just superbly well done on so many levels. The dialogue, the pacing, the characters - The storyline throws you for a loop left and right.
[Caution: MAJOR first season spoiler alert]
It also helps that the actors are good at what they do.
A guy who is in my tuba studio reads the books. He says that the biggest difference between the two is the point of view - Game of Thrones is seen through so many eyes, which makes it interesting, but it is also executed successfully.
Yeah, I'm a die hard for that show. I can't F'ING wait for the third season. Sunday nights are going to be my whore for at least an hour.
Law and Order SVU is one (but it's on netflix ;D).
Game of Thrones is just superbly well done on so many levels. The dialogue, the pacing, the characters - The storyline throws you for a loop left and right.
[Caution: MAJOR first season spoiler alert]
I mean, Eddard Stark, the main character of the first season, dies. Seriously, I did NOT see that coming, and the fact that the main character was ousted made me want to watch the show even more. I've NEVER seen a show get rid of the supposed main character, especially in the FIRST SEASON.
It also helps that the actors are good at what they do.
A guy who is in my tuba studio reads the books. He says that the biggest difference between the two is the point of view - Game of Thrones is seen through so many eyes, which makes it interesting, but it is also executed successfully.
Yeah, I'm a die hard for that show. I can't F'ING wait for the third season. Sunday nights are going to be my whore for at least an hour.
Travio
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m4uesviecr:
I've been through all five books (chomping eagerly at the bit for the sixth) and I've been through the show several times (again, chomping eagerly at the bit for the third season). The entirety of the world is one of the best built up and developed fantasy worlds I've ever seen - far better than some other book series I've read that go 12+ novels long (Wheel of Time, Sword of Truth, I'm looking in your direction), and the television series is helping greatly in expanding it further.
Peter Dinklage is a boss, by the way.
You're kind of tricked into thinking Eddard is the main character, especially in the TV series. He isn't - there isn't a main character anywhere in the series. There's primary characters, but there's no one main character that the story's about... well, there is, but you don't know (s)he is because they keep referring to him/her in the veiled prophecy of Azor Ahai.
I've been through all five books (chomping eagerly at the bit for the sixth) and I've been through the show several times (again, chomping eagerly at the bit for the third season). The entirety of the world is one of the best built up and developed fantasy worlds I've ever seen - far better than some other book series I've read that go 12+ novels long (Wheel of Time, Sword of Truth, I'm looking in your direction), and the television series is helping greatly in expanding it further.
Peter Dinklage is a boss, by the way.
Wyvernjack
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author=Travio
m4uesviecr:You're kind of tricked into thinking Eddard is the main character, especially in the TV series. He isn't - there isn't a main character anywhere in the series. There's primary characters, but there's no one main character that the story's about... well, there is, but you don't know (s)he is because they keep referring to him/her in the veiled prophecy of Azor Ahai.
I've been through all five books (chomping eagerly at the bit for the sixth) and I've been through the show several times (again, chomping eagerly at the bit for the third season). The entirety of the world is one of the best built up and developed fantasy worlds I've ever seen - far better than some other book series I've read that go 12+ novels long (Wheel of Time, Sword of Truth, I'm looking in your direction), and the television series is helping greatly in expanding it further.
Peter Dinklage is a boss, by the way.
Peter Dinklage is definitely one of my favorite actors. I thoroughly enjoy the scenes where he's slapping the boy-king around.
m4uesviecr
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author=Travio
m4uesviecr:You're kind of tricked into thinking Eddard is the main character, especially in the TV series. He isn't - there isn't a main character anywhere in the series. There's primary characters, but there's no one main character that the story's about... well, there is, but you don't know (s)he is because they keep referring to him/her in the veiled prophecy of Azor Ahai.
That is a good point, which I think adds heavily to the brilliance of the series. The characters are so well-read, multi-dimensional, and interesting that there is no need for a main character. Each person serves a purpose within the series, and each is equally important.
author=Wyvernjack
Peter Dinklage is definitely one of my favorite actors. I thoroughly enjoy the scenes where he's slapping the boy-king around.
Oh, lord yes. He has done a fantastic job with his character (though I have come to realize after watching a few films that he is simply a great actor).
I'm also rooting for Arya Stark. Something tells me that she is going to end up kicking some MAJOR arsebutt. The Queen too. She's a lucid vagina (for lack of a better label), and the fact that I hate her makes me love her more. And don't let me get started on Snow... *deep sigh*
The more things I hear about GoT books, the more I desire to read them. I just feel bad when I end up "watching a book" (be it a movie, show) before reading it.
Wyvernjack
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author=m4uesviecrauthor=TravioThat is a good point, which I think adds heavily to the brilliance of the series. The characters are so well-read, multi-dimensional, and interesting that there is no need for a main character. Each person serves a purpose within the series, and each is equally important.
m4uesviecr:You're kind of tricked into thinking Eddard is the main character, especially in the TV series. He isn't - there isn't a main character anywhere in the series. There's primary characters, but there's no one main character that the story's about... well, there is, but you don't know (s)he is because they keep referring to him/her in the veiled prophecy of Azor Ahai.
author=Wyvernjack
Peter Dinklage is definitely one of my favorite actors. I thoroughly enjoy the scenes where he's slapping the boy-king around.
Oh, lord yes. He has done a fantastic job with his character (though I have come to realize after watching a few films that he is simply a great actor).
I'm also rooting for Arya Stark. Something tells me that she is going to end up kicking some MAJOR arsebutt. The Queen too. She's a lucid vagina (for lack of a better label), and the fact that I hate her makes me love her more. And don't let me get started on Snow... *deep sigh*
The more things I hear about GoT books, the more I desire to read them. I just feel bad when I end up "watching a book" (be it a movie, show) before reading it.
I'm rooting for Robb Stark. I've not read the books so I don't know what happens or how it ends, but I really hope he does become King in the North.
Travio
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Without spoiling anything, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with where this is going.
If you can find the books, it's good to read them, if only because of the differences. There's a lot of extra characters in the book they had to cut out or delay until a later season because you can't introduce too many characters in a season without confusing viewers and to help maintain suspense a little (the scenes in Winterfell at the end of Season 2 are actually described in far more detail and you know exactly what happens in the book, whereas they've delayed revealing that information in the show for dramatic purposes. And some of the scenes towards the end of Season 2 are actually from the start of the third book - they get to play a lot more fast and loose with the stories to maintain chronological order of events (for example, books 4 and 5 overlap, with the fifth book starting about a third of the way into the fourth).
Also - remember Jaqen. He spins off one of the most awesome plots in the entire series. =|
If you can find the books, it's good to read them, if only because of the differences. There's a lot of extra characters in the book they had to cut out or delay until a later season because you can't introduce too many characters in a season without confusing viewers and to help maintain suspense a little (the scenes in Winterfell at the end of Season 2 are actually described in far more detail and you know exactly what happens in the book, whereas they've delayed revealing that information in the show for dramatic purposes. And some of the scenes towards the end of Season 2 are actually from the start of the third book - they get to play a lot more fast and loose with the stories to maintain chronological order of events (for example, books 4 and 5 overlap, with the fifth book starting about a third of the way into the fourth).
Also - remember Jaqen. He spins off one of the most awesome plots in the entire series. =|
Shinan
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I love me some Game of Thrones. I'm one of those nerds that read the books way before there was any hint of a TV-show. I waited painstakingly for Feast for Crows thinking it would never come out and at the end there was a promise that A Dance With Dragons would come out "really soon".
"Really soon" turned out to be nearly six years. Though it coincided nicely with the TV-show so off I went to re-read the whole thing and keeping up with the TV show (and then reading the other books in a month so I could go fresh into Dance).
So yeah I love the series. Though it is also the series that has made me swear off series. Nowadays I prefer standalone books so I don't have to wait five years for a next installment.
The TV show is equally great. Sure some things aren't as epic as in the books (I would have liked more battles, but I understand there's no budget for that kind of thing and it's not like that stuff is really that important compared to the inter-character relationships and the like... But Harrenhal could have been a bit bigger...)
Personally the second season wasn't quite as great. Mostly because it didn't have the MASSIVE TWIST that I was just waiting for the reactions to ever since I heard there was going to be a tv-series.
I remember reading that twist when I first read the books and couldn't believe it. I remember re-reading the series and then that twist happened and I still couldn't believe it. Some of these things come so out of left-field that it is just amazing. And that truly is what is so damn amazing about these books.
I also recently bought the Game of Thrones boardgame. I've only played it once so far but it too is really sweet.
In the game of thrones you win or you die!
"Really soon" turned out to be nearly six years. Though it coincided nicely with the TV-show so off I went to re-read the whole thing and keeping up with the TV show (and then reading the other books in a month so I could go fresh into Dance).
So yeah I love the series. Though it is also the series that has made me swear off series. Nowadays I prefer standalone books so I don't have to wait five years for a next installment.
The TV show is equally great. Sure some things aren't as epic as in the books (I would have liked more battles, but I understand there's no budget for that kind of thing and it's not like that stuff is really that important compared to the inter-character relationships and the like... But Harrenhal could have been a bit bigger...)
Personally the second season wasn't quite as great. Mostly because it didn't have the MASSIVE TWIST that I was just waiting for the reactions to ever since I heard there was going to be a tv-series.
I remember reading that twist when I first read the books and couldn't believe it. I remember re-reading the series and then that twist happened and I still couldn't believe it. Some of these things come so out of left-field that it is just amazing. And that truly is what is so damn amazing about these books.
I also recently bought the Game of Thrones boardgame. I've only played it once so far but it too is really sweet.
In the game of thrones you win or you die!
Watched the first two seasons over the summer. While it isn't the most amazing show it does have a few ridiculously amazing characters, such as Tyrion Lannister and Jon Snow. Bring on season 3...
A friend of mine took a picture with the actor playing Robb Stark the other day. Wish I'd been there. D:
A friend of mine took a picture with the actor playing Robb Stark the other day. Wish I'd been there. D:
Wyvernjack
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author=Yellow Magic
Watched the first two seasons over the summer. While it isn't the most amazing show it does have a few ridiculously amazing characters, such as Tyrion Lannister and Jon Snow. Bring on season 3...
A friend of mine took a picture with the actor playing Robb Stark the other day. Wish I'd been there. D:
Wish I'd been there, too.
I read the series (thus far) a few months ago and now it's got me on a big high fantasy kick. The amount of detail GRRM has put into the books' universe without creating plot holes is pretty crazy, and I don't think I've ever had so much fun thinking about/discussing theories as with ASOIAF.
The show's great too. It's just unfortunate (though understandable) that it's missing so much of the detail from the books. All of the foreshadowing and prophecies can't really translate to tv, and it's a shame. That said, there are several scenes from book 3 that I can't wait to see adapted in seasons 3 and 4.
P.S. I still remember Brickroad and I think Jude(?) talking about the books like 10 years ago in the irc room and thinking hey, that sounds neat. And then I bought book 1 and for some reason didn't actually read it till last year. But yeah... My relationship with ASOIAF began with RPG Maker!
The show's great too. It's just unfortunate (though understandable) that it's missing so much of the detail from the books. All of the foreshadowing and prophecies can't really translate to tv, and it's a shame. That said, there are several scenes from book 3 that I can't wait to see adapted in seasons 3 and 4.
P.S. I still remember Brickroad and I think Jude(?) talking about the books like 10 years ago in the irc room and thinking hey, that sounds neat. And then I bought book 1 and for some reason didn't actually read it till last year. But yeah... My relationship with ASOIAF began with RPG Maker!
I'm not too excited for season 3. I've read all the books and have mixed opinions about them, but just was not very impressed at all with season 2.
But Book 3 is undeniably, in my mind, the best of the series, so I'm gonna watch it anyway.
But Book 3 is undeniably, in my mind, the best of the series, so I'm gonna watch it anyway.
I watched part of one episode. All I saw was some dickfaced king/prince/other monarch douchebag with a crossbow and his sex slave. Then he shot his sex slave with a crossbow.
Wut.
Wut.
On the recommendation of a friend, I started watching the series. I liked it quite a bit, and have now seen the first season on DVD and am currently watching the second. I'm also thinking about picking up the novels.
The television series really is exceptionally good; the acting is universally fantastic, the budget is high, and the story is told in a very compelling fashion. It reminds me a lot of Babylon 5, with its emphasis on characterization and intrigue over battles and action pieces.
Something I do have mixed feelings about is all the violence and sex. The show rarely crosses over into the gratuitous, but I must admit that there were a few eye-rolling parts in the first season. When I'm this invested in the characters and the story, I don't need to have attractive naked women parade around to hold my interest. Thankfully, season 2 seems to have toned this down somewhat.
Overall, I recommend the show to those who enjoy darker, more realistic high fantasy. I was tempted to call Game of Thrones low fantasy, because of its emphasis on realism and its shunning of magical elements, but the series does take place in its own universe with its own internal rules. Either way, it's a good example of how to structure a fantasy narrative to keep audience investment.
The television series really is exceptionally good; the acting is universally fantastic, the budget is high, and the story is told in a very compelling fashion. It reminds me a lot of Babylon 5, with its emphasis on characterization and intrigue over battles and action pieces.
Something I do have mixed feelings about is all the violence and sex. The show rarely crosses over into the gratuitous, but I must admit that there were a few eye-rolling parts in the first season. When I'm this invested in the characters and the story, I don't need to have attractive naked women parade around to hold my interest. Thankfully, season 2 seems to have toned this down somewhat.
Overall, I recommend the show to those who enjoy darker, more realistic high fantasy. I was tempted to call Game of Thrones low fantasy, because of its emphasis on realism and its shunning of magical elements, but the series does take place in its own universe with its own internal rules. Either way, it's a good example of how to structure a fantasy narrative to keep audience investment.
the magical elements aren't so much shunned as overshadowed by the politics right now.
as The Others/White Walkers and dragons become more important, so will the magical elements.
as The Others/White Walkers and dragons become more important, so will the magical elements.
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