THE OFFICIAL ENGLISH 2K3 VERSION IS OUT!

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kentona
I am tired of Earth. These people. I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives.
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guys, stealing 2k3 is okay because eventually the sun is going to consume its supply of hydrogen and burn out
Completely unrelated, but the detail on Goku's ear relative to the rest of his face is really weird. I've just seen it and now I can't un-see it.
This argument again? My notifications hath been flooded! So much effort is going into these posts...

I still use the translated version for technical reasons. A large portion of my game required DynRPG stuff so I can't use the official version, but I still bought it as a gesture of good faith and to support the work that went into it. Just do that and stop whining. It's a $20 engine...
kentona
I am tired of Earth. These people. I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives.
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See, Pepsi, RM2k3 is like the Titantic, therefore it's okay.
This thread is hilarious for all the wrong reasons

My boring contribution is that I still use the pirated version of Ace for 99% of my Ace shit. I have the steam version and I use it to create a new project so the defaults aren't in Japanese then I close it and go back to the pirated because I prefer its localization over the official one. I guess the tooltips were never done but w/e, I don't need them anyways unlike the official release where I can never remember what MGR or FDR or so are without them.

I also can't open my project in RM2k3 and have to stick to my resource edited RT2k3 because my enemies have stats over the official caps and afaik they still haven't been increased. Opening the game in RM2k3 snaps stats back to their caps and like hell I'm going to rebalance everything for that.

I also have a pirated copy of XP because I long since lost my registration information for it (iirc they quit working one day after a reinstall and I just grabbed a key generator instead of dealing with customer service but it's been so long I don't remember clearly).

That is all the dirt on me for pirating officially released rpg makers I hope you enjoyed it!

e: I did pay for all rms & rm assets that I do use with one exception but I'll leave that to your imagination which one!
i bet it was Rpg Maker 95!

this thread went much farther than i expected wowzers

we should make a stealing 2k3 day

also gregtor seeing you admit it like that and learning something from it makes me happy. we all have room for growth and growing a little inside our own selves is a small victory.

edit: ALSO HURRAY BRAZIL
Got it in one! I'd buy a RM95 assets DLC because I like the enemies from it and their low color / high dithering style. The music was shit though, like worse than VX shit level. There was much usage of that Chrono Trigger unreleased battle track in those days.
Gretgor
Having gotten my first 4/5, I must now work hard to obtain... my second 4/5.
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Wow, geez. I'm sorry for starting this, guys. It's pretty clear to me that a consensus is not going to be reached, so we should probably stop trying. It's my fault this topic became a mess, sorry.

My opinion on the matter: if you buy the official RM2K3 release, you're supporting the developers continued work on new RPG Maker versions, which is good, and if you're like me, and RM2K3 changed your life for the better back in your teenage years, you'd be thanking EB for their software, which is even better. You'd also be making all your game development with the engine officially legal, which can't be a bad thing, right?

If you don't wanna pay for the official version, and continue using the unofficial version (just like I was doing before I got called on my bs), that's not gonna make me hate you or try to censor you, I'll still play your games and review them. But still, when it comes down to it, I really don't think doing so is morally justifiable anymore. It's not gonna make me hate you, it's not gonna make me see you as a bad person, but it's not justifiable either.

Using the unofficial version is okay if you do it for the patches, though.
author=Gretgor
If you continue using the unofficial version, that's not gonna make me hate you or try to censor you, I'll still play your games and review them. But still, when it comes down to it, I don't see how doing so would be easy to justify at this day and age. It's not gonna make me hate you, but it's not justifiable either.


Not trying to start up a huge discussion or anything again, but this is how one could justify it:
Mode7, Achievements, Full Xbox controller support, menu customizations, battle customizations...

Essentially stuff that is just flat-out not possible without programming knowledge.
Ratty524
The 524 is for 524 Stone Crabs
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author=PepsiOtaku
author=Gretgor
If you continue using the unofficial version, that's not gonna make me hate you or try to censor you, I'll still play your games and review them. But still, when it comes down to it, I don't see how doing so would be easy to justify at this day and age. It's not gonna make me hate you, but it's not justifiable either.
Not trying to start up a huge discussion or anything again, but this is how one could justify it:
Mode7, Achievements, Full Xbox controller support, menu customizations, battle customizations...

Essentially stuff that is just flat-out not possible without programming knowledge.

Maybe you can request for better plug-in support? I honestly don't understand why this is such a big deal.

BTW I read through this discussion this morning, and it had me howling.
author=Ratty524
Maybe you can request for better plug-in support? I honestly don't understand why this is such a big deal.


It's been requested numerous times already. simply put, the RPG_RT.exe versions are incompatible. 99% of patches out there are for 1.08. When you apply a patch, you are changing 1s and 0s that are expected in certain places of that exe file. If they are not in those places (due to it being a version above 1.08), then the patch will corrupt the exe because it will still patch the 1s and 0s in the places it expects. This also goes for any memory address referenced in the DynRPG library source (most of which are obfuscated).
Kentona, please stop using the T word here. I know you, and I know you're smarter than that.

This is an argument that's been created and propagated by our enemy--the enemy of me, you, and every other ordinary Internet citizen--to cynically use our sense of morality against us to further their goals of taking control of content online and gaining the power of ultimate censorship over it. It comes from the same people pushing abominations like SOPA and the TPP, and whenever normal citizens of the Internet such as yourself falls for it, you legitimize their attempts to harm you.

Please stop.
Liberty, your credibility continues to erode further and further with every post. For starters, please keep in mind that profanity is the hallmark of a tragically limited vocabulary. Second, "X IS WRONG BECAUSE IT IS WRONG" doesn't work for anyone older than about 8. Demonstrate the harm being done or go away and let the grown-ups talk.
Dude, I don't fucking care about using swears because I am:

1 - an adult. In fact, I'm pretty damn sure I'm one of the older people on this site, thanks very, and thus older than you, so perhaps you should stop pretending like you know what the fuck you're talking about and 'let the grown-ups talk'. You might actually learn something.
2 - could give two shits what anyone thinks about how I talk
3 - am capable of erudite conversational skills when I believe they are warranted, which they are not in this instance, especially since some of the people here have no reading comprehension all at, whatsoever
4 - Australian and thus brought up within a culture where one's job, temperament and vocabulary are not things by which people are judged when it comes to intelligence, logical ability or cognitive function
5 - allowed to swear freely and quite happily on this site
6 - don't care what you think on the matter at all

Everyone and their dog knows that there are things that, by law and by intent, are wrong. Stealing is one of those things. And this is theft as has been stated many times - you have taken something that does not belong to you. Calling it copying is like calling killing someone 'pest extermination' - doesn't matter what you try to call it in order to excuse yourself, it is what it fucking is, and it is wrong.


Also, it is against site rules to post multiple times in a row, so in the future keep that in mind.
Instead, use the handy-dandy Edit button below your initial post and add more to that. Also, use @namehere to denote to whom you're replying if you're worried that talking to more than one person will make the other miss.
Wow, it's like talking to a brick wall.

If you're so erudite, try backing up your arguments with something beyond naked assertions. As I said before, demonstrate harm or leave us alone. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and claiming that non-rivalrous goods can be "stolen" and cause harm when nothing is lost is a pretty extraordinary claim!
Swearing and profanity is amazing. I mean, look at my favorite historic use of all kinds of cussing!

Sultan Mehmed IV
As the Sultan; son of Muhammad; brother of the sun and moon; grandson and viceroy of God; ruler of the kingdoms of Macedonia, Babylon, Jerusalem, Upper and Lower Egypt; emperor of emperors; sovereign of sovereigns; extraordinary knight, never defeated; steadfast guardian of the tomb of Jesus Christ; trustee chosen by God Himself; the hope and comfort of Muslims; confounder and great defender of Christians - I command you, the Zaporogian Cossacks, to submit to me voluntarily and without any resistance, and to desist from troubling me with your attacks.

and the reply:

Koshovyi Otaman Ivan Sirko
O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are you, that can't slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil excretes, and your army eats. You will not, you son of a bitch, make subjects of Christian sons; we've no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck your mother.

You Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, pig of Armenia, Podolian thief, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw your own mother!

So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for the Christians. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year with the Lord, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

It's a very different kind of "Fuck Off" compared to Jourdon Anderson's letter* and by god is it glorious


Jourdon Anderson
Dayton, Ohio,

August 7, 1865

To My Old Master, Colonel P.H. Anderson, Big Spring, Tennessee

Sir: I got your letter, and was glad to find that you had not forgotten Jourdon, and that you wanted me to come back and live with you again, promising to do better for me than anybody else can. I have often felt uneasy about you. I thought the Yankees would have hung you long before this, for harboring Rebs they found at your house. I suppose they never heard about your going to Colonel Martin's to kill the Union soldier that was left by his company in their stable. Although you shot at me twice before I left you, I did not want to hear of your being hurt, and am glad you are still living. It would do me good to go back to the dear old home again, and see Miss Mary and Miss Martha and Allen, Esther, Green, and Lee. Give my love to them all, and tell them I hope we will meet in the better world, if not in this. I would have gone back to see you all when I was working in the Nashville Hospital, but one of the neighbors told me that Henry intended to shoot me if he ever got a chance.

I want to know particularly what the good chance is you propose to give me. I am doing tolerably well here. I get twenty-five dollars a month, with victuals and clothing; have a comfortable home for Mandy,—the folks call her Mrs. Anderson,—and the children—Milly, Jane, and Grundy—go to school and are learning well. The teacher says Grundy has a head for a preacher. They go to Sunday school, and Mandy and me attend church regularly. We are kindly treated. Sometimes we overhear others saying, "Them colored people were slaves" down in Tennessee. The children feel hurt when they hear such remarks; but I tell them it was no disgrace in Tennessee to belong to Colonel Anderson. Many darkeys would have been proud, as I used to be, to call you master. Now if you will write and say what wages you will give me, I will be better able to decide whether it would be to my advantage to move back again.

As to my freedom, which you say I can have, there is nothing to be gained on that score, as I got my free papers in 1864 from the Provost-Marshal-General of the Department of Nashville. Mandy says she would be afraid to go back without some proof that you were disposed to treat us justly and kindly; and we have concluded to test your sincerity by asking you to send us our wages for the time we served you. This will make us forget and forgive old scores, and rely on your justice and friendship in the future. I served you faithfully for thirty-two years, and Mandy twenty years. At twenty-five dollars a month for me, and two dollars a week for Mandy, our earnings would amount to eleven thousand six hundred and eighty dollars. Add to this the interest for the time our wages have been kept back, and deduct what you paid for our clothing, and three doctor's visits to me, and pulling a tooth for Mandy, and the balance will show what we are in justice entitled to. Please send the money by Adams's Express, in care of V. Winters, Esq., Dayton, Ohio. If you fail to pay us for faithful labors in the past, we can have little faith in your promises in the future. We trust the good Maker has opened your eyes to the wrongs which you and your fathers have done to me and my fathers, in making us toil for you for generations without recompense. Here I draw my wages every Saturday night; but in Tennessee there was never any pay-day for the negroes any more than for the horses and cows. Surely there will be a day of reckoning for those who defraud the laborer of his hire.

In answering this letter, please state if there would be any safety for my Milly and Jane, who are now grown up, and both good-looking girls. You know how it was with poor Matilda and Catherine. I would rather stay here and starve—and die, if it come to that—than have my girls brought to shame by the violence and wickedness of their young masters. You will also please state if there has been any schools opened for the colored children in your neighborhood. The great desire of my life now is to give my children an education, and have them form virtuous habits.

Say howdy to George Carter, and thank him for taking the pistol from you when you were shooting at me.

From your old servant,

Jourdon Anderson.
An entirely different approach but just as equally amazing way of saying "Fuck Off".
Ratty524
The 524 is for 524 Stone Crabs
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Hey Mason_Wheeler if everyone followed your logic we'd have more infringements on our rights to distribute intellectual property than China.

I also like how you are blowing up the issue into some sort of "fight the power" bullshit for a game-making tool.

author=Mason_Wheeler
If you're so erudite, try backing up your arguments with something beyond naked assertions. As I said before, demonstrate harm or leave us alone. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and claiming that non-rivalrous goods can be "stolen" and cause harm when nothing is lost is a pretty extraordinary claim!
Actually what's lost is a potential for someone to make a profit on the ideas and software that they spent hours on end creating with the intent of being sold. That's simple, not extraordinary at all.

That is, it's not extraordinary when you don't have such an over-simplified, narrow scope of things in life.
Yeah, how bout fuck no? I find that talking at a level where everyone can understand is much better than pretending to big-note one-self by acting as though salt of the earth is oh, so, below themselves. To anyone that believes that I have only one thing to say to them - get thee out you pathetically pretentious piece of masturbatory matter. Oh look, I used big words but they still said the thing that I wanted to say! I must be so much better than anyone who has ever said the words 'Fuck Off' before because it's not swaers!!!

Yeah, no. Grow up. Words are used to convey meaning and emotion, to colour the world and make dialogue interesting. I'd rather not speak like I have a stick up my arse, or like a fucking robot, thanks. At least all my meanings are clear and up front unlike some, who think that swaers degrade the society of man. Grow up.
excuse me liberty but you forgot to throw italics over what words us monosyllable speakers should appropriately gawk at