THIS PETITION IS TOO DAMN IMPORTANT TO BE IGNORED. (TRIGGER WARNING)

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Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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I know we like to have fun and make yucks here and all but this goes far beyond the actions or lifespans of any of us. Let your voice be heard and help raise awareness and support for governments around the world to create laws protecting those who may fall victim to vengeful actions of a past relationship. I've lived every day of my life in the shadow of how such painful acts can affect one's life. My own dear mother was the victim of sexual assault and I'd do anything to seek justice for her and those like her who have been and currently are being taken advantage of by some soulless creep who acts only for themselves.

https://www.change.org/p/protect-victims-end-revenge-porn-now

Please take this seriously. Something must be done.
pianotm
The TM is for Totally Magical.
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Oh, I signed this a few days back. Good call.
Ratty524
The 524 is for 524 Stone Crabs
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Just signed it. This type of bullshit where we use the net to humiliate others over petty crap needs to end.
Signed. That's really annoying :X
Zeigfried_McBacon
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Revenge porn is not consensual, therefore goes against my way of thinking, therefore, signed.
I recently had a LDR go bad. Mostly because the girl kept lying to me. Even when she visited she made zero attempts to really show affection and only visited with a friend. See I didn't expect her to visit at all just this guy I became friends with. She tagged along. I know now it's because she has a massive thing for him even though he doesn't think highly of her. He's said she's ugly to my face several times before and whatnot. Did she do things that were risque? Yes. We broke up after I got tired of her treating me like the bad guy all the time and saying I was full of lies and making a huge deal out of it. Again she told me her name is Justice and that is NOT what is on record (I later sued her ass for 2500 dollars, that's how you get revenge) it's Danielle. Even though she tried to really just use me as an arm piece to make this guy jealous I simply sued and walked away. Do I make her life difficult if I can and it's not going out of my way too much? Fuck yes I do. Her lying friends too.

Lesson here? Don't piss people off. He could have just as easily anonymously uploaded those after doctoring himself out and no one would ever have known that it was him you uploaded them. I will not however sign this petition because it's stupid. If you are dumb enough to strip for someone around electronic devices that are made for recording such as CAMERAS then you are a dumb ass for not double checking that shit. I've also seen girls do shit over the net now. Don't. I was recently the suspect of Danielle getting put online. Turns out she did her crap to another guy and girl and no one knows which one did it. However I don't care about that. I would rather not be an alleged sex offender because someone fucking blames me and I happen to have been in the criteria meeting motive and opportunity. I already went to court to fight that shit but if it was as serious as this dumb shit wants it to be I'd have problems getting a simple job now. Alleged is just as bad as guilty to employers whether you all know it or not.

Here's a novel fucking idea. Stop having sex with assholes. No one told her to ignore the guy who's nice and would dote on her and respect her. She CHOSE to because she wanted to have standards that were fucking retarded. Also let's not forget about that time a small boy had his clothing taken off on camera and uploaded to YouTube by three girls. If you can flip out over this you can flip out over the boy too. I demand that if this woman gets justice than that elementary school boy gets exactly the same justice as well.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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Did you read the part where she was too drunk to function and that he indeed raped her? Did you read the part where she tried to call it off with him because he was seriously messed up but he "insisted" that they go out for a night of drinking instead?

But no, it's her fault for being stupid enough to get naked and letting him have non-consensual sex with her while she was incapacitated. It's the victim's vault because- No I can't keep this charade going.

I don't care how badly someone else has treated you; this isn't about you. Fuck you.

author=Tyranos
I recently had a LDR go bad. Mostly because the girl kept lying to me. Even when she visited she made zero attempts to really show affection and only visited with a friend. See I didn't expect her to visit at all just this guy I became friends with. She tagged along. I know now it's because she has a massive thing for him even though he doesn't think highly of her. He's said she's ugly to my face several times before and whatnot. Did she do things that were risque? Yes. We broke up after I got tired of her treating me like the bad guy all the time and saying I was full of lies and making a huge deal out of it. Again she told me her name is Justice and that is NOT what is on record (I later sued her ass for 2500 dollars, that's how you get revenge) it's Danielle. Even though she tried to really just use me as an arm piece to make this guy jealous I simply sued and walked away. Do I make her life difficult if I can and it's not going out of my way too much? Fuck yes I do. Her lying friends too.

Lesson here? Don't piss people off. He could have just as easily anonymously uploaded those after doctoring himself out and no one would ever have known that it was him you uploaded them. I will not however sign this petition because it's stupid. If you are dumb enough to strip for someone around electronic devices that are made for recording such as CAMERAS then you are a dumb ass for not double checking that shit. I've also seen girls do shit over the net now. Don't. I was recently the suspect of Danielle getting put online. Turns out she did her crap to another guy and girl and no one knows which one did it. However I don't care about that. I would rather not be an alleged sex offender because someone fucking blames me and I happen to have been in the criteria meeting motive and opportunity. I already went to court to fight that shit but if it was as serious as this dumb shit wants it to be I'd have problems getting a simple job now. Alleged is just as bad as guilty to employers whether you all know it or not.

Here's a novel fucking idea. Stop having sex with assholes. No one told her to ignore the guy who's nice and would dote on her and respect her. She CHOSE to because she wanted to have standards that were fucking retarded. Also let's not forget about that time a small boy had his clothing taken off on camera and uploaded to YouTube by three girls. If you can flip out over this you can flip out over the boy too. I demand that if this woman gets justice than that elementary school boy gets exactly the same justice as well.

Quoted just in case you decide to lolneverhappened edit this out.

author=Tyranos
Again she told me her name is Justice and that is NOT what is on record (I later sued her ass for 2500 dollars, that's how you get revenge) it's Danielle. Even though she tried to really just use me as an arm piece to make this guy jealous I simply sued and walked away. Do I make her life difficult if I can and it's not going out of my way too much? Fuck yes I do. Her lying friends too.

Lesson here? Don't piss people off.

Also this is just insanely shitty.
author=Corfaisus
Did you read the part where she was too drunk to function and that he indeed raped her? Did you read the part where she tried to call it off with him because he was seriously messed up but he "insisted" that they go out for a night of drinking instead?

But no, it's her fault for being stupid enough to get naked and letting him have non-consensual sex with her while she was incapacitated. It's the victim's vault because- No I can't keep this charade going.

I don't care how badly someone else has treated you; this isn't about you. Fuck you.

author=Tyranos
I recently had a LDR go bad. Mostly because the girl kept lying to me. Even when she visited she made zero attempts to really show affection and only visited with a friend. See I didn't expect her to visit at all just this guy I became friends with. She tagged along. I know now it's because she has a massive thing for him even though he doesn't think highly of her. He's said she's ugly to my face several times before and whatnot. Did she do things that were risque? Yes. We broke up after I got tired of her treating me like the bad guy all the time and saying I was full of lies and making a huge deal out of it. Again she told me her name is Justice and that is NOT what is on record (I later sued her ass for 2500 dollars, that's how you get revenge) it's Danielle. Even though she tried to really just use me as an arm piece to make this guy jealous I simply sued and walked away. Do I make her life difficult if I can and it's not going out of my way too much? Fuck yes I do. Her lying friends too.

Lesson here? Don't piss people off. He could have just as easily anonymously uploaded those after doctoring himself out and no one would ever have known that it was him you uploaded them. I will not however sign this petition because it's stupid. If you are dumb enough to strip for someone around electronic devices that are made for recording such as CAMERAS then you are a dumb ass for not double checking that shit. I've also seen girls do shit over the net now. Don't. I was recently the suspect of Danielle getting put online. Turns out she did her crap to another guy and girl and no one knows which one did it. However I don't care about that. I would rather not be an alleged sex offender because someone fucking blames me and I happen to have been in the criteria meeting motive and opportunity. I already went to court to fight that shit but if it was as serious as this dumb shit wants it to be I'd have problems getting a simple job now. Alleged is just as bad as guilty to employers whether you all know it or not.

Here's a novel fucking idea. Stop having sex with assholes. No one told her to ignore the guy who's nice and would dote on her and respect her. She CHOSE to because she wanted to have standards that were fucking retarded. Also let's not forget about that time a small boy had his clothing taken off on camera and uploaded to YouTube by three girls. If you can flip out over this you can flip out over the boy too. I demand that if this woman gets justice than that elementary school boy gets exactly the same justice as well.

Quoted just in case you decide to lolneverhappened edit this out.

I am a law professional. I saw the video. There was no rape. She was fingering herself and telling him to slow down if he needed to. There was also a vibe involved. Justice does not have feelings it finds the truth. Truth is she was NOT raped in the video that was uploaded. This video is being used for training purposes by the way in a few training institutions for that exact reason. Next time get the whole story.

So no THIS DID HAPPEN. Let's dance Americana!
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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author=Tyranos
I am a law professional.

Show me your credentials. Scanned records and everything. Otherwise I'll think you're just some woman-hating nincompoop.

author=Tyranos
This video is being used for training purposes by the way in a few training institutions for that exact reason.

What training institutions? How credible are they? Please cite your sources, because a buddy of yours saying "there's no problem here" isn't a proper "training institution".

author=Tyranos
I saw the video. There was no rape. She was fingering herself and telling him to slow down if he needed to. There was also a vibe involved. Justice does not have feelings it finds the truth. Truth is she was NOT raped in the video that was uploaded.

One cannot wittingly consent if one is under the influence of any toxic substance. It doesn't take a "law professional" to know that.
author=Corfaisus
author=Tyranos
I am a law professional.
author=Corfaisus
Show me your credentials. Scanned records and everything. Otherwise I'll think you're just some woman-hating nincompoop.


When you send me yours. Until then I think I'll prefer to think you're just a white knighting nincompoop.

author=Tyranos
This video is being used for training purposes by the way in a few training institutions for that exact reason.


author=Corfaisus
What training institutions? How credible are they? Please cite your sources, because a buddy of yours saying "there's no problem here" isn't a proper "training institution".


Pick one. I should not need to name any at all. Any college with a program in Justice or Law will be good enough. Any academy that focuses on recruiting and teaching officers would also work here. After all they are released by the courts in the end. So your real question is "Are the courts reliable?". You tell me when it's run by people like you who can simply use one side of a story and come to a judgement. Personally if a court releases the damn video for training and examination purposes for trainees then I would deem it legitimate no matter where it shows up. Considering you know, THE COURTS RELEASED IT. Now stop trying to poison the well and appeal to authority to attempt to derail an argument on more baseless bullshit. You sound so stupid and pretentious in this statement that you should have been cast in the Matrix. The difference in my claim is that it was not an appeal to authority but a warning letting you know that I know what the fuck I'm talking about.

author=Tyranos
I saw the video. There was no rape. She was fingering herself and telling him to slow down if he needed to. There was also a vibe involved. Justice does not have feelings it finds the truth. Truth is she was NOT raped in the video that was uploaded.


author=Corfaisus
One cannot wittingly consent if one is under the influence of any toxic substance. It doesn't take a "law professional" to know that.


No but apparently it takes one to know that what you just said is dead wrong. Inability to consent due to intoxication means “no.” Bottom line it's not that you cannot consent when intoxicated it's that IF you cannot consent while intoxicated then it's no. Stop watching Law and Order and the news.

Inability to consent due to intoxication means “no.” When a person is the recipient of sexual advances but is highly intoxicated, he or she may be unable to consent to any sexual conduct. In the words of the Review Board, “sexual interactions with another party who has been drinking heavily should . . . be undertaken . . . at one’s own risk.” A panel of the Hearing Board has also noted, “No member of the community should be at risk of a sexual assault merely because consumes too much alcohol at a party. Cornell aspires to be a community in which students come to the aid of others who find themselves in such a state as someone exploit.”

Here's a .edu American. The real law is not what you claimed AT ALL. It's such a prevalent problem at college campuses that they made a policy around it. We all know that no policy can violate the law either.

https://share.cornell.edu/policies-laws/sex-alcohol-and-clear-consent/

If one party cannot be held responsible because of intoxication then neither could the other party under that same intoxication. In other words since she claimed that they both went out drinking that means he also would have been drunk as well. So where do you draw the line? If she can't consent or otherwise be held responsible for her actions due to alcoholic intake then why should he be held responsible for his actions. Again you claim THEY went out drinking. But I digress with philosophy.

Now we get to the real problems with your argument. You assume wrongly that because there is no counter claim from her ex that her claim is 100% true. You never assume anything in sexual misconduct, assault, or harassment cases. EVER. Also the lack of a counter claim is not sufficient evidence to deem the initial claim true at all. The problem with the rape claim is that she said "and unconscious". Bullshit, I and my fellow students know what we saw. That woman was NOT unconscious and she was very into the sex for being unable to consent. In previous rape cases even a drunk victim does not behave the way she did while intoxicated. So doubts to her claim only grow stronger.

So which is it going to be? You can upload a video of yourself dancing on your lawn in a ballerina outfit. Next time try getting all angles on a story and re-examining and cross examining the evidence. We are done here. I expect my spoils of war by July. You could also always admit that you committed a fallacy and appealed to emotion, bow out, and I won't think any worse of you. Either way I'm here all week to kick your ass. Sorry for being hostile but I THRIVE on conflict and this shit is like crack to me. Especially when Law and Order/News Station bullshit is brought to bear in the real world.
Zeigfried_McBacon
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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author=Tyranos
(Massive wall off bullshit)


Honestly, I don't think I can take you seriously at all here. Hell, I don't even know what to say all this. I mean, at the very least, the concept of revenge porn should be appalling to any sane, decent human being. I mean, its one thing if signing the petition urks you for some reason, but after reading what you posted, I get the impression that you're writing it all off as non existent. If I'm even remotely right, you may have some serious problems you need to get taken care of. Like therapist or psychiatric help; I'm not kidding.

Also, congratulations on giving me a reason to have a shred more of respect for Corfaisus than I did before you posted. If you think I'm posting this just to circlejerk, I can assure you that the scum factor you're giving off is enough to... well, I wont finish that, I'll let you use your imagination.
And no I don't need the last word to win. I just did by crushing you like a bug. So I'm done coming back to this thread now. Also one last thing. Read one of the comments. Some stupid fuck thinks revenge porn is sexual violence. Really? That's what you want to support? Have fun with it.
author=Zeigfried_McBacon
author=Tyranos
(Massive wall off bullshit)
Giant appeal to emotion.


No. I think it should be illegal but in fine print it's clear that she wants it to be counted as sexual assault. Harrassment maybe. But when you've been taken to court or accused of sexual assault that shit stays a black stain for employers to see. Even if you prove yourself innocent. THIS petition I will not sign. I will however continue to support making videos without consent to be illegal. Just not on par with sexual violence.
Zeigfried_McBacon
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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author=Tyranos
author=Zeigfried_McBacon
author=Tyranos
(Massive wall off bullshit)
Giant appeal to emotion.
No. I think it should be illegal but in fine print it's clear that she wants it to be counted as sexual assault. Harassment maybe. But when you've been taken to court or accused of sexual assault that shit stays a black stain for employers to see. Even if you prove yourself innocent. THIS petition I will not sign. I will however continue to support making videos without consent to be illegal. Just not on par with sexual violence.


Yes, false accusations can and will happen, but setting revenge porn to a mere harassment grade offense? No, I'm sorry, but that's too light to be honest. At least with a sexual assault level offense, it'll leave a mark, and a damn good one. How much it would deter is questionable, but the same could be said of any law.

Also, if you wanna toss around the false accusation card, fine. Like revenge porn, its another thing that needs to be dealt with. In the end, it all fucks over the innocent; men and women alike.

And yes, there are probably a few holes in what I said. Never said I had all the answers or was perfect.
There is a difference between rape and pictures or events that took place willingly. In her case the videos had been filmed without her consent in their relationship - in which case the sex was consensual. Filming it and uploading it was not.
Which would obviously go to that example with three girls you cited as well. I can tell you all here would be aboard with that, but your own view and expectation of us collides here.

Your point is valid making it different from sexual assault, but it is also valid that it can ruin the victim's greatly, and can be an extreme humiliation. It is as though your body gets abused.
Your general way of phrasing it up to now is not. Sometimes people turn ugly without you expecting it. I don't think domestic violence starts from the first date, either, and it doesn't make it any more righteous or better.

For me, I couldn't care less about what exactly it is called, so long as it becomes illegal.
I'm sorry you had some bad experiences yourself, and use them to go against other people's experiences.

And also, I couldn't care less about being right or wrong here, either. I've already voiced my thoughts. So feel free to indulge in your conflict-thriving which I believe must be very useful in other areas of your life.
FFS, even if the images were consensual at the time, after you break up you delete that shit because it's fucking assumed that they are no longer fucking yours to keep. They end to be yours the moment that person is no longer your lover.

As for distributing them or using them in some sort of bullshit power play? If you do this, you are scum. And no, there's no apology in that sentence nor will there ever be. You are literal scum. No questions, no excuses. Literal fucking scum.

There absolutely needs to be laws put in to stop this shit.

Oh, and Tyranos, it sounds like you need to learn to get over shit and let it go. You're clinging on to the bad feeling that an ex gives you instead of moving on to bigger, better things. In your own words, you would deliberately make their life hell if you could - and I can only assume you mean that if she had ever sent you any sexual photos you would have spread them around like a complete and utter asshole. That attitude is pathetic. Grow up and move on. Get some help if you can't do it yourself because the only person you're really hurting most is yourself by being someone no-one would ever want to date.
Magi
Resident Terrapin
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Well, this thread turned rather quickly!

author=Tyranos
If you can flip out over this you can flip out over the boy too. I demand that if this woman gets justice than that elementary school boy gets exactly the same justice as well.

I am not sure if you are aware, but social justice isn't interested in defending anything but marginalized peoples. There aren't any talking points, no multiple angles, and feels all around. Unfortunately, everybody else can get thrown under a freakin' bus.

In spite of the facts and the story, this isn't really a cause that should exactly be controversial to support. Sign the petition or don't, but if you continue pursuing this you are opening a massive can of worms on sensitive social issues that probably aren't appropriate to tackle here. This is a games making community for (mostly) all ages. Can't we just agree rape is bad and then focus on making/playing good games? I like that a lot more. I hope you do too.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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I was tempted to say something about how being overly obsessed with one person, how they've wronged you and how you can get back at them for it is some major league stalker shit, but you took the words right out of my mouth, Liberty.

author=Magi
Well, this thread turned rather quickly!

author=Tyranos
If you can flip out over this you can flip out over the boy too. I demand that if this woman gets justice than that elementary school boy gets exactly the same justice as well.
I am not sure if you are aware, but social justice isn't interested in defending anything but marginalized peoples. There aren't any talking points, no multiple angles, and feels all around. Unfortunately, everybody else can get thrown under a freakin' bus.

In spite of the facts and the story, this isn't really a cause that should exactly be controversial to support. Sign the petition or don't, but if you continue pursuing this you are opening a massive can of worms on sensitive social issues that probably aren't appropriate to tackle here. This is a games making community for (mostly) all ages. Can't we just agree rape is bad and then focus on making/playing good games? I like that a lot more. I hope you do too.

Just because we're centered around game design doesn't mean that we can't discuss some real shit from time to time. We're all adults here, we can handle it.
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