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JUST WATCHED AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON AND IT WAS JUST OKAY
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RedMask
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Feel free to defend the movie but I feel like it could have use more character development.
I feel like I didn't get to really understand Ultrons motives enough.
We barely get an idea of why the Vision is helping the good guys.
The scene that's supposed to be the saddest moment : Quick Silver's death barely impacted me because again I didn't have time to get attached to those twins.
The movie has some interesting bits of character development but not enough.
Hawkeye felt like the most interesting character in the film. The others had their moments but it wasn't enough.
The final blows to Ultron was by Scarlett witch a character who's given a bit of back story but other than that eh. And then the real final blow from Vision who starts and interesting talk with his creator but it ends to quickly. I wanted to hear Vision and Ultron talk more with one another.
It was a fun film but I feel like it could have been better.
Feel free to defend the movie but I feel like it could have use more character development.
I feel like I didn't get to really understand Ultrons motives enough.
We barely get an idea of why the Vision is helping the good guys.
The scene that's supposed to be the saddest moment : Quick Silver's death barely impacted me because again I didn't have time to get attached to those twins.
The movie has some interesting bits of character development but not enough.
Hawkeye felt like the most interesting character in the film. The others had their moments but it wasn't enough.
The final blows to Ultron was by Scarlett witch a character who's given a bit of back story but other than that eh. And then the real final blow from Vision who starts and interesting talk with his creator but it ends to quickly. I wanted to hear Vision and Ultron talk more with one another.
It was a fun film but I feel like it could have been better.
I've been very impressed with the Marvel movies as of late, and I generally enjoy all of them as they get released. However one thing about them that may be hit or miss with people is that they're being conceived and released similar to comic books; self contained stories, but also part of a larger narrative.
On one hand the movies have to be able to tell an interesting narrative on their own per movie, but on the other hand, in order to really appreciate and understand the plot as a whole, you have to watch all of the movies. It's there, but like comic books mentioned above, spread out. For example, Iron Man/Tony Stark's character development has been a fluid, changing, evolving arc, but you will only really get that from seeing the Iron Man movies and the Avengers movies, in order, separately. Some people dig it, and some don't.
On one hand the movies have to be able to tell an interesting narrative on their own per movie, but on the other hand, in order to really appreciate and understand the plot as a whole, you have to watch all of the movies. It's there, but like comic books mentioned above, spread out. For example, Iron Man/Tony Stark's character development has been a fluid, changing, evolving arc, but you will only really get that from seeing the Iron Man movies and the Avengers movies, in order, separately. Some people dig it, and some don't.
RedMask
1139
Guardians of the Galaxy was way better I was far more sad when a barely talking tree died than a man died
Feldschlacht, I do get what you mean with character arcs going throughout multiple movies and I have seen those movies but still at the end of the day a movie needs to be a self contained story as well
Feldschlacht, I do get what you mean with character arcs going throughout multiple movies and I have seen those movies but still at the end of the day a movie needs to be a self contained story as well
Shinan
4314
Age of Ultron was fairly meh for me as well. I remember watching it and finally (though I guess Iron Man 3 also did this) feeling that "These movies are all the same". Of course they're competently made. But none of them have... Stuff we haven't seen in all the other movies. The best part are the small character moments but there's just too few of them. Instead there are Iron Man vs Hulk battles. (with no stakes at all, just random destruction)
I guess feeling all the action scenes are samey and watching for the character moments is sort of like watching porn for the plot. But I have sort of found myself there when it comes to the Marvel movies. I'm watching them for the interconnectedness of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And I really hope it ends after Avengers 3: part 2, because I'm not sure I can stand a lot more than that.
Also a couple of weeks after the disappointment that was Age of Ultron I watched Mad Max: Fury Road. And I realized that action can actually be good and not this bland shit that I've gotten used to.
I guess feeling all the action scenes are samey and watching for the character moments is sort of like watching porn for the plot. But I have sort of found myself there when it comes to the Marvel movies. I'm watching them for the interconnectedness of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And I really hope it ends after Avengers 3: part 2, because I'm not sure I can stand a lot more than that.
Also a couple of weeks after the disappointment that was Age of Ultron I watched Mad Max: Fury Road. And I realized that action can actually be good and not this bland shit that I've gotten used to.
Sidebar: What's the excitement about Mad Max? I heard it was really good but I haven't seen it, but I definitely want to. No broad stuff like "COMPELLING CHARACTERS" either, what makes it so good?
Shinan
4314
It's just a really well-made action movie. With a lot of practical effects (that doesn't mean there isn't a bunch of digital stuff there, but you can really feel that the people doing shit are actually people doing shit). It's also incredibly easy to follow, with (for modern action movies) fairly long takes, and although there's lots happening all the time it's never confusing. There's no Michael Bay stuff in Fury Road it just does it all so well.
It's also full of incredibly world-building that is best teased.
In many ways I've compared it (in my mind) to the first Matrix movie. That movie made the imagination soar (with its world-building) and blew the mind (with the action scenes). Of course today The Matrix is old news and the sequels sort of destroyed the magic. But when The Matrix came out it blew my mind that the stuff that was done in that one could be done. Mad Max does things that blows my mind that the stuff that is done can be done. Although the actual content is completely different from the Matrix.
It's a two-hour rollercoaster ride that succeeds in not being boring. (unlike, say Age of Ultron, where, when I see the finale starting I tend to tune out a bit. This is the thing I felt very strongly in Iron Man 3. "Alright, now there's the finale, nothing exciting will happen here." Guardians of the Galaxy was also a really fun movie. Until the incredibly boring (in my mind) finale.)
Basically. If you have a remote interest in action movies. Mad Max is the best one in ages.
It's also full of incredibly world-building that is best teased.
In many ways I've compared it (in my mind) to the first Matrix movie. That movie made the imagination soar (with its world-building) and blew the mind (with the action scenes). Of course today The Matrix is old news and the sequels sort of destroyed the magic. But when The Matrix came out it blew my mind that the stuff that was done in that one could be done. Mad Max does things that blows my mind that the stuff that is done can be done. Although the actual content is completely different from the Matrix.
It's a two-hour rollercoaster ride that succeeds in not being boring. (unlike, say Age of Ultron, where, when I see the finale starting I tend to tune out a bit. This is the thing I felt very strongly in Iron Man 3. "Alright, now there's the finale, nothing exciting will happen here." Guardians of the Galaxy was also a really fun movie. Until the incredibly boring (in my mind) finale.)
Basically. If you have a remote interest in action movies. Mad Max is the best one in ages.
RedMask
1139
This might sound odd but when it comes to action in films I rarely seem to care much frankly. But sometimes it can be exciting it depends. Martial Arts films tend to have genuinely interesting fight scenes. Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, and Tony Jaa ussually deliver real visceral action that I can enjoy.
Yes to all of this. I haven't seen Mad Max but I understand your sentiments about how action should be done.
author=Shinan
It's just a really well-made action movie. With a lot of practical effects (that doesn't mean there isn't a bunch of digital stuff there, but you can really feel that the people doing shit are actually people doing shit). It's also incredibly easy to follow, with (for modern action movies) fairly long takes, and although there's lots happening all the time it's never confusing. There's no Michael Bay stuff in Fury Road it just does it all so well.
Yes to all of this. I haven't seen Mad Max but I understand your sentiments about how action should be done.
Shinan
4314
I have to admit I'm not a big fan of Martial Arts scenes in movies. Some can be excellent but often they are way to long. I thought The Raid 2 fell victim to this. I greatly enjoyed the first movie where the guy just beat the shit out of loads of dudes, because for some reason it felt sort of real that the dude would just beat the shit out of one dude in two seconds before going on to the next one. In the second movie there were more scenes of one-on-one fighting and I always feel like those battles should end a lot quicker than they do.
This is also why I really love gun-fu or whatever it is called (gun kata?) where there's just a nicely choreographed shootout where guys just fall over and shit goes down a lot. (and gunfights just don't last that long :)
This is also why I really love gun-fu or whatever it is called (gun kata?) where there's just a nicely choreographed shootout where guys just fall over and shit goes down a lot. (and gunfights just don't last that long :)
This is how I feel about all Marvel movies: they're all candy. Candy is tasty and you enjoy eating it, but if has no nutritional value and if you eat too much of it, you get fat. I don't go to the theater, alot. I buy DVDs. The only movies I've seen in theaters in the past five years are Star Trek, Avatar, Star Trek: Into Darkness, Iron Man 3 (much better movie than Into Darkness, and while I feel it wasn't as good as the first Iron Man, it was magnitudes better than Iron Man 2), and Mad Max: Fury Road.
When I went to see Mad Max, I actually sat there deciding, "Do I want to see the sequel to a sequel of a dozen films that were made in the past decade, or do I want to see a movie that has spent 16 years in production?" As fun as the Marvel movies, Mad Max was just way better than any of them. Then again, the Marvel movies have been doing things that make me prefer the comic books, and overall, I've come to dislike the Avengers overall from an ethical standpoint. I don't really dislike propaganda pieces, but when that propaganda starts to exemplify itself over moral decency, I take issue. The Avengers really haven't done that in the movies (bearing in mind I haven't seen them all), but I tend to tie the characters together, meaning I see the same characters between comic book and movie.
Captain America walks onto private property with the whole of the Avengers, without even a warrant, to arrest someone that has committed no crime, and because the X-Men resist, they are enemies. Throughout, the story presents the X-Men as the bad guys. There was an issue of Avengers Vs. X-Men that came out the same month as the Sandy Hook shooting. It was outside of the main AVX story arc in a stand alone issue of X-Men: Legacy. A team of Avengers led by Falcon start harassing the Jean Grey school, who have stayed out of the fight. Moonknight attacks one of the X-Men, which leads to a brawl, which leads to She-Hulk attacking a group of students. The last two pages shows those students dead and She-Hulk calling them monsters. Now, in the next issue, they dedicate a page to making sure you see the students are still alive, but they can't unwrite the previous issue. At the end of the AVX story arc, half of the X-Men are hunted by the Avengers and the Avengers are all heroes, with no consequences. What is all of this basically saying?
When I went to see Mad Max, I actually sat there deciding, "Do I want to see the sequel to a sequel of a dozen films that were made in the past decade, or do I want to see a movie that has spent 16 years in production?" As fun as the Marvel movies, Mad Max was just way better than any of them. Then again, the Marvel movies have been doing things that make me prefer the comic books, and overall, I've come to dislike the Avengers overall from an ethical standpoint. I don't really dislike propaganda pieces, but when that propaganda starts to exemplify itself over moral decency, I take issue. The Avengers really haven't done that in the movies (bearing in mind I haven't seen them all), but I tend to tie the characters together, meaning I see the same characters between comic book and movie.
Captain America walks onto private property with the whole of the Avengers, without even a warrant, to arrest someone that has committed no crime, and because the X-Men resist, they are enemies. Throughout, the story presents the X-Men as the bad guys. There was an issue of Avengers Vs. X-Men that came out the same month as the Sandy Hook shooting. It was outside of the main AVX story arc in a stand alone issue of X-Men: Legacy. A team of Avengers led by Falcon start harassing the Jean Grey school, who have stayed out of the fight. Moonknight attacks one of the X-Men, which leads to a brawl, which leads to She-Hulk attacking a group of students. The last two pages shows those students dead and She-Hulk calling them monsters. Now, in the next issue, they dedicate a page to making sure you see the students are still alive, but they can't unwrite the previous issue. At the end of the AVX story arc, half of the X-Men are hunted by the Avengers and the Avengers are all heroes, with no consequences. What is all of this basically saying?
I got to watch it 1 week before almost everyone here.
Other than that I thought it was better than the first one.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I was basically just disappointed that whoever told me there was a parody called Returners: Age of Ultros was a filthy liar.
Tyranos
1115
author=Feldschlacht IV
Sidebar: What's the excitement about Mad Max? I heard it was really good but I haven't seen it, but I definitely want to. No broad stuff like "COMPELLING CHARACTERS" either, what makes it so good?
The same thing that made us like the first one so much. Everyone wants something and not getting it makes the situation worse and worse. The action and story in this case are kind of chaotic because of it. It also keeps the old feeling of the main characters being in danger in these situations and really just lucking out. In other words it's anti heroic or in other words it's about a normal everyday guy who just happens to get what he wants or luck out. Which is far more compelling and more able to relate to than say, The Incredible Hulk. How many of us have ever been exposed to radiation and now turn into a raging monster when we get angry? No one. How many of us are normal people who sometimes get lucky? Everyone. So that alone makes the character feel a lot more REAL in the sense that this person could actually exist and could be any of us.
LightningLord2
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The excitement about Mad Max is that it contains something that has never before existed in an action movie: A female character who is actually relevant to the plot AND not being sexualized.
If you want character development, watch a movie with a character in the title. Not in an ensemble cast movie. Go watch The Expendables. It's another great example. Very little plot, lots of action. This is an action movie, with a big cast. It was the same with the first Avengers. Bunch of assholes get together and fight a big threat. Lots of blow up stuff, boom bang smash! Action!
This isn't a story centric series. It does, however, play off the individual movies very well. Kind of punctuates the character development from the in-between movies. Tony Stark from Avengers 1 is not Tony Stark from Avengers 2. It's sort of there, but Iron Man 3 is where it happens. This franchise is brilliant in leaving character development to the stand alone movies. Giving people like Hawkeye and Black Widow a chance to shine.
This isn't a story centric series. It does, however, play off the individual movies very well. Kind of punctuates the character development from the in-between movies. Tony Stark from Avengers 1 is not Tony Stark from Avengers 2. It's sort of there, but Iron Man 3 is where it happens. This franchise is brilliant in leaving character development to the stand alone movies. Giving people like Hawkeye and Black Widow a chance to shine.
I finally got into this thread because I finally watched Avengers 2 last night, and all I got was a discussion on Mad Max.
Shinan
4314
author=kentona
I haven't seen Mad Max (any of them).
How can you be a child of the 80s and not have seen The Road Warrior?
