LUNATICS WITH GUNS, DOMESTIC TERRORISTS AND HOMOPHOBIA...

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author=Toaster_Team
Or you don't know the answer. :)

Maybe you should reread what I've said. The part about you misunderstanding and misquoting me was true. I was going to chalk it up to misreading it, but I've decided you're just stupid instead.
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APATHY IS FOR COWARDS
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Oh good, the CEO of Stardock is shitposting on facebook about how he needs to buy silencers for his sons' SIG Sauers.
Ratty524
The 524 is for 524 Stone Crabs
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Toaster_Tream, pianotm and Feld already gave you the answer. Guns are not only a part of American culture, they currently outweigh the population here. It's completely fallacious to compare our situation with that of other countries on the entire basis that we not only have a completely different culture, we don't even share similar population levels with the examples you mentioned.

It's so complicated an issue that the simple "take guns away from citizens" is not a viable option.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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author=Jude
author=Toaster_Team
Or you don't know the answer. :)
Maybe you should reread what I've said. The part about you misunderstanding and misquoting me was true. I was going to chalk it up to misreading it, but I've decided you're just stupid instead.


As the OP of this thread, I'd like it if you preemptively dropped any personal hostilities before entering. And if I'm not authority enough, here's this from the post immediately before yours:

author=Solitayre
Guys I know topics like this get heated but there's no need to make this personal with each other. Thanks.
pianotm
The TM is for Totally Magical.
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Ratty524
Toaster_Tream, pianotm and Feld already gave you the answer. Guns are not only a part of American culture, they currently outweigh the population here. It's completely fallacious to compare our situation with that of other countries on the entire basis that we not only have a completely different culture, we don't even share similar population levels with the examples you mentioned.

It's so complicated an issue that the simple "take guns away from citizens" is not a viable option.

Yeah, and one aspect of that issue is that gun ownership isn't one of the core rights of those other countries. It is here, and most people here will kill you if you try to remove any of their core rights.

Like I said, we need legislation that obeys the spirit of the Second Amendment. Legal responsibility goes both ways. Yeah, as American's we have the right to own guns, even assault rifles and automatics, but the government also has the right to expect us to demonstrate that we are capable of handling those weapons responsibly, and frankly, thanks to organizations like the NRA, any lunatic can buy a gun without having to do that.
author=Corfaisus
As the OP of this thread, I'd like it if you preemptively dropped any personal hostilities before entering. And if I'm not authority enough, here's this from the post immediately before yours:

Go back to jerking off to belly inflated Sonic the Hedgehog porn.
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author=Jude
author=Corfaisus
As the OP of this thread, I'd like it if you preemptively dropped any personal hostilities before entering. And if I'm not authority enough, here's this from the post immediately before yours:
Go back to jerking off to belly inflated Sonic the Hedgehog porn.


Such a classy fella. Way to raise the bar.
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APATHY IS FOR COWARDS
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Like I said, we need legislation that obeys the spirit of the Second Amendment. Legal responsibility goes both ways. Yeah, as American's we have the right to own guns, even assault rifles and automatics, but the government also has the right to expect us to demonstrate that we are capable of handling those weapons responsibly, and frankly, thanks to organizations like the NRA, any lunatic can buy a gun without having to do that.


The Constitution is a living document that is meant to be amended when the population demands it - and was designed with a system in place for those amendments. Thank god for it, because so much has changed in the last 200+ years that there's we could never make set of rules that would be sensible until the end of time. Just take a look at the Bible, eh?

Either way, the Constitution in no way guarantees that people can freely buy or own whatever kind of armaments they want. We already have some reasonable restrictions (turns out you can't just legally go out and buy Stinger missiles) but we probably need to update our specific restrictions to match with the changes in society. People may very soon be capable of manufacturing their own guns and ammo with incredible ease - legally or illegally - and we'll need to find a way to address these if we want to maintain any sort of pretense of control.
I guess you guys can start shit even without me. That saddens me somehow.
Jude, I honestly hope you figure out why it is that you have so much anger and I don't mean this in a way which is patronizing. There shouldn't be a need to insult anyone when discussing this topic. No need for that.
Mirak
Stand back. Artist at work. I paint with enthusiasm if not with talent.
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Don't be the wind that revives the remaining embers. smh
author=Toaster_Team
Jude, I honestly hope you figure out why it is that you have so much anger and I don't mean this in a way which is patronizing. There shouldn't be a need to insult anyone when discussing this topic. No need for that.

You're full of shit and absolutely intended for this to be patronizing.
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Ratty524
The 524 is for 524 Stone Crabs
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Toaster_Team: That statement is highly contradictory with your earlier posts. You gave off an arrogant and patronizing tone, especially with this:

author=Toaster_Team
Or you don't know the answer. :)

Here you are insulting someone's intelligence while not really understanding the bigger picture yourself (As previously stated, outlawing/taking away guns is not a viable solution in the states due to how guns are embedded in our culture). Jude has a right to be offended by your comment.

Jude: I don't know what's going on in your life or what, but in situations like these, you have to determine whether it's worth your time to engage someone in a negative way like that. While I agree that Toaster definitely instigated the issue, I don't think it was necessary to respond with a flat out insult, and it's not okay to redirect it towards someone else entirely.

Bear in mind, I'm telling this to you guys because I seriously want to see this community be capable of handling these topics without resorting to slander. It presents us in a horrible light and it discourages the multitude of intelligent people here (especially wetmattos or unity and the likes) from sharing their insights.


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In other news, Donald Trump spoke in regards to this shooting. I just love how he twists this in favor of his regime.

http://time.com/4367120/orlando-shooting-donald-trump-transcript/
InfectionFiles
the world ends in whatever my makerscore currently is
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Everyone twists everything to fit their devilish regimes. That's politics, Mac!
@Ratty524:
Here you are insulting someone's intelligence while not really understanding the bigger picture yourself (As previously stated, outlawing/taking away guns is not a viable solution in the states due to how guns are embedded in our culture). Jude has a right to be offended by your comment.


I don't think not knowing something means having intelligence issues, that much is obvious. I mean, that would pretty much imply everyone is stupid considering there's so much to learn and know. So I do think there's some degree of personal responsibility when it comes to equating ignorance to stupidity. That's your take on it, but it's certainly not mine. I think there's a lot of ignorance regarding gun control and I include myself in the lot. I haven't actually read a single comment so far which provided any convincing insight about the situation. Most comments are personal biases which aren't really grounded in anything other than impressions and whims. This is in part why the problem persist, limiting our respective perspectives to our own front door so to speak.

If Jude was offended that I wrote: ''or you don't know :)'' then I apologize. I was teasing him but I think that came across wrong in written form. So I'm sorry about that. Either way, I still think that reply to Corfaisus was uncalled for if anything though and also deserve an apology to him:

Go back to jerking off to belly inflated Sonic the Hedgehog porn.


Toaster_Tream, pianotm and Feld already gave you the answer. Guns are not only a part of American culture, they currently outweigh the population here. It's completely fallacious to compare our situation with that of other countries on the entire basis that we not only have a completely different culture, we don't even share similar population levels with the examples you mentioned.

It's so complicated an issue that the simple "take guns away from citizens" is not a viable option.


Like you said, it's not simple. So to answer that guns are part of American culture is not really a complete answer, I'm pretty sure other factors come into play (like money in politics for instance and that lobbying effect on the powers that be).

As for the other argument you provided:
they currently outweigh the population here.

So, I guess the idea here is that there are so many guns that getting rid of them would be a futile attempt.

You know in Australia they did something similar. The article says that the government bought back 700,000 guns. Granted, that'd be a drop in the ocean compared to the amount of guns right now in America but some initiatives can be put in place about about this. I don't know how many guns there were at the time in Australia so it'd be interesting to know what % that represented at the time.

I do agree that the culture comes into play here but I don't think it should be a cop out, i.e. "guns are part of the culture, deal with it". Gay marriage wasn't part of the culture until very recently, culture evolve and change, why should it be any different with guns?



I wasn't offended when you said that Toaster, I just noticed you were an idiot lacking comprehension. You can take your apology and shove it up your greasy asshole.
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3 warnings in one page, that must be some kind of new record?
Toaster_Team
Gay marriage wasn't part of the culture until very recently, culture evolve and change, why should it be any different with guns?

No offense, but comparing gay marriages to guns is like comparing apples to oranges.

This is a pretty sensitive subject, so unless you truly understand the subject and situation at hand, I highly suggest you stay out of this.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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author=SnowOwl
3 warnings in one page, that must be some kind of new record?

A record that'll stand for all time seeing as it's 3 warns for a ban (in most cases).