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author=Blind
Nah, this segment is pretty damn condescending.


To be totally fair though Blind, I said something not too dissimilar from that on Facebook, and I'm as liberal as it gets.
pianotm
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Magi
DarklordKeinor
She can take off the presidential suit and slip into an orange jump suit. She belongs in prison.
I fully support people's right to be extremely critical of any politician, but this prison nonsense really has to stop so we can all find a way to work together. Clinton is already quickly fading into irrelevancy, and anybody still chanting "lock her up" must realize which battles need to be picked from here on out. There are many more important matters to address moving forward, and we can't waste precious time on whatever conspiracy theories Infowars and Breitbart News is currently cooking up.


^^^^ This

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Feldschlacht IV
I think everyone should read this.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/dont-panic/

I know it's Cracked but read it.


^^^^ This

The world turns on. If you're still fixated on past political smear campaigns, then you're not participating in progress. Trump's president now. He can't create a bigger mess than Bush made. Now we have to focus on keeping him on track. That means making sure our voices remain consistent and focused. Any leader that ignores the voice of the people isn't longed for his post.
author=kentona
If not remembering things is a crime I'm in deep shit


That's not a crime; that's her either avoiding the truth during the FBI hearings or demonstrating she is not mentally well enough to retain basic information.

author=Magi
I fully support people's right to be extremely critical of any politician, but this prison nonsense really has to stop so we can all find a way to work together. Clinton is already quickly fading into irrelevancy, and anybody still chanting "lock her up" must realize which battles need to be picked from here on out. There are many more important matters to address moving forward, and we can't waste precious time on whatever conspiracy theories Infowars and Breitbart News is currently cooking up.


Given that she has violated the law in regards to classified information, yes, she should be in prison. I don't believe she's above the law.

There's only a few items in the list I provided (namely the Vince Foster and Seth Rich points) that could be chalked off as conspiracy. Most of the list is fact.

I do agree there are more important matters, such as the Supreme Court appointees, healthcare reform, immigration, and a whole list of other issues, but it still doesn't detract from my point that there were people that didn't care about her wide array of scandals and downright criminal conduct.

author=pianotm
The world turns on. If you're still fixated on past political smear campaigns, then you're not participating in progress. Trump's president now. He can't create a bigger mess than Bush made. Now we have to focus on keeping him on track. That means making sure our voices remain consistent and focused. Any leader that ignores the voice of the people isn't longed for his post.


A reasonable point, one I agree with. All I'll say in rebuttal to the first part is not holding elected officials accountable is how progress is prevented. I am concerned how Donald Trump is going to perform; he most certainly has positions that many people are not thrilled with (him wanting to renew the Patriot Act, like Obama and Bush, being one such unfortunate example) and I think it's clear we're more divided as a nation than we were a decade ago.

Hopefully, regardless of what your political views are, people will come together and hopefully have reasonable discourse.
SunflowerGames
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If I was American I think I would have voted for Jill Stein. Trump and Clinton are both bad people.

Clinton's e-mails might get her in court, but she would have great lawyers and legal minds. She would win the case and the person who prosecuted her would be ruined. I'm not saying she didn't do something wrong, but you have to prove it to 12 people. And Obama could just show up and said he had privately given the okay to do it = case thrown out.
Clinton got raked over the coals by the FBI and Congress and nothing stuck. You can choose to believe that both of those right-leaning institutions are too corrupt or inept to get a conviction, but the more likely scenario is that your understanding of the law is functionally nothing and instead you've been taken in by right-wing propaganda.

Too, the whole "Clinton is corrupt" schtick never takes into account that Trump has a decades-long list of shady behavior, just in the private sector. The only reason Trump's record in office is clean is because he hasn't served yet.
Yeah, I gotta agree with Housekeeping on this one - if there was something law-breaking that Clinton had done that would see her up in court then the FBI and Congress would have already had her up for it. It seems that whilst she did some shady shit, it wasn't technically illegal in any way (or her involvement in it wasn't illegal, at least) and thus the whole "OMG SHE GO JAIL COS EVIL" war cry is pretty stupid.


I do wonder if Asshole McOrangJuice is going to try to throw her in jail like he blabbed about in his speeches - if so I hope someone reminds him that laws exist... yes, even for the President.

God it's so depressing calling him that. COME BACK OBAMA ALL IS FORGIVEN! ;.;
Nah, I don't think we'll hear much about Hillary anymore. The email stuff was just electioneering. The damage is done and she's out of the game, unless Trump makes her Secretary of this or that like Obama did, but he's too petty to even consider it (not like she deserves a god damned thing).

author=kory_toombs
If I was American I think I would have voted for Jill Stein.

Votes for far-out third party candidates are votes thrown in the garbage. It's irresponsible. You shouldn't be treating your vote as if you're expressing your innermost desires ("Trump and Clinton are both bad people"), but treat it as a strategic item. Which party is more likely to do you good, or which party is less likely to do you ill.
In this particular election it wouldn't have made much of a difference, but dopey Ralph Nader votes gave Bush the 2000 election so it's something to consider.


And man... fuck the Green Party in general.
Actually, apparently if a third-party gets enough votes they get funding for the next election, which is useful if there's a third-party you really want to see get in. With some money in the bank they can at least have a chance to get some recognition next time around. It's not just voting in the next president, after all.
My heart breaks for all the kids who are honest to goodness terrified by this. It's weird to think about, but there are a lot of kids out there who DON'T remember the Bush years super clearly, and have only been politically aware in times where progress has been being made. Having to watch them learn that sometimes we move backwards is pretty heart wrenching.

I dunno. I'm up in Canada and I don't share a lot of my fellow citizen's desire to giggle about this one. Mostly I feel very somber for the folks in my varying communities south of the border whose lives are going to change for the worse now.

(Like, forget Trump: the republicans have been very clear that they plan on repealing shit like same-gender marriage. I don't care Too Much about marriage, but damn that victory meant a lot to friends of mine south of the border and I don't know what the hell I'm gonna say to them when they inevitably look at me and say "well I can't get married anymore!" It's just painful and sad to think about, I want to give a lot of people hugs and pretend like it's gonna be okay.)
harmonic
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author=Dyhalto
Votes for far-out third party candidates are votes thrown in the garbage. It's irresponsible. You shouldn't be treating your vote as if you're expressing your innermost desires ("Trump and Clinton are both bad people"), but treat it as a strategic item. Which party is more likely to do you good, or which party is less likely to do you ill.
In this particular election it wouldn't have made much of a difference, but dopey Ralph Nader votes gave Bush the 2000 election so it's something to consider.

Preachin' to the choir here. Holy crap there was so much of this going on. It just comes off as virtue-signaling or "I'm too smart to take a side" when they do that. Like we're all supposed to be so impressed that they're too good to vote something useful.

It's a dream world of the perfect candidate. No such thing exists and never will. Rome wasn't built in a day. And yes, absolutely, we have Nader to thank for Bush in 2000, and Perot Clinton in 1992.

You're far more likely to change an existing major party than get any sort of support for a 3rd party in the US. And believe me, that's pretty much what just happened. That's why the establishment Republicans hated him, ran protest candidates against him, and offered very little support for his campaign.
Look on the bright side, Lisa Simpson will be the next president if things are going according to the grand plan! :P
SunflowerGames
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Maybe it's because I'm from Canada that my mentality about third parties is different. Because a vote for a third party can still get you a seat in parliament in Canada, if not a majority / minority government.

Also your argument that there's two parties is a dangerous dichotomy that sets up elections like you have in the USA. Keep in mind that while a third party might not win the presidency now, there can be a build up for congress and the senate. If third parties take over that it won't matter whose president because enough votes in those two houses doesn't require the president's signature.

And Clinton may not have been left / socialist enough for my tastes.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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Well, that's because in America, the choice is between 'Right' and 'So far right it's dangerously close to Fascism'. There is no Left in America. Bernie Sanders was the only real left candidate, but the DNC screwed him over.

I do hope that this result will shake the two-party system to its core, because quite frankly, the view that voting for third parties is irresponsible or stupid, and that votes should be viewed as something strategic rather than reflecting your viewpoints is extremely concerning and dangerous.
Red_Nova
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*Applause*
Since brazen lying was Trump's main electoral weapon, it's hard to predict or even guess what his presidency will be like. It was really impressive how he played on everyone's disgust and exploited and duped enough people to vote for him. He sold the American people an illusion. He is a (largely incompetent) business tycoon prone to obscene conduct, malicious speech and eccentricity. He is grossly anti-science, and has one of the most bronze-age barbaric thinking man as his VP.

His incompetence coupled with what will be intense American navelgazing for the next 18~24 months will likely lead to a large shift to a Russian-Chinese-Indian axis of power. Putin must be absolutely giddy at the prospect of manipulating this buffoon.

EDIT:
I really hope that he withdraws the USA from the TPP (effectively killing it). But I can't trust him, so I expect it to be enacted.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
Well, he was very strongly against the TPP, or at least claimed to be. So that's at least one good thing that may come from his presidency.
Craze
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I am actually very glad that the Libertarians got a decent chunk of the vote. I have always wanted a different system than R v D. Partisan politics are bullshit, and although I voted for Clinton, I hope this shakes things up. You can say nothing will change but I believe this could be a jumping board we can use to have a wider ticket.
Maine also passed ranked-choice voting, which will hopefully be an in-road for other states after seeing its effect. If you want to have third parties, that's how it pretty much has to happen.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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author=kentona
I really hope that he withdraws the USA from the TPP (effectively killing it). But I can't trust him, so I expect it to be enacted.
Trump Plays Pokemon, the new community pokemon game where every button input is controlled by an electoral college vote.
Craze
why would i heal when i could equip a morningstar
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Housekeeping
Maine also passed ranked-choice voting, which will hopefully be an in-road for other states after seeing its effect. If you want to have third parties, that's how it pretty much has to happen.


Yup! I'm a Mainer. =)

There are issues with Maine's interpretation but that's getting off-topic. I like the idea at least.