DUMBING DOWN UNIVERSITY

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Decky
I'm a dog pirate
19516
Figured I'd just share this and move on.

Yeah, the 21st century will belong to China. Nothing new here.
ESBY
extreme disappointment
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right wing thatcherist hates young people
news at eleven
Decky
I'm a dog pirate
19516
curse dem younglings

edIt: the video, despite its brashness and questionable political leanings as you said, kind of speaks to me as a business major who is thinking about returning to school.
The guy sounds like he was incredibly triggered.
In spite of this guy's tactlessness, I share a bit of the same anger towards universities but ultimately myself for buying into it without a real plan to begin with. I often feel like people look for a reason to get upset these days but I'm not sure on the reason for it. Either life is so good that people now have to demonize anything potentially negative or life is so bad that anything potentially negative simply cannot be tolerated because they're already at negative saturation and are overly stimulated. My university's mission statement was "cultural competence" and it permeated through practically every course and I often felt like classes were horribly unproductive because of it, yet attendance was mandatory or participation points would not be given and my grades would tank. Listening to other people objectively and openly is certainly important but I was significantly more interested in what the person with the PHD had to say about the class subject rather than the student next to me. I could ask the student his thoughts after class if I were truly interested, but I'm paying for the PHD speaker up front and they would spend most classes posing as a mediator for discussion. Again, not exactly a bad exercise, but not really informational and ultimately I feel like I learned nothing from college. I can give a couple of examples of discussion that I didn't enjoy. One was in a Sociology class where students were asked to discuss solutions to poverty. One girl says in the most entitled voice, "Uhhh, why don't they just, like, fix it?" Another was a philosophy class where a student was citing some google source about how 1 in 4 kids in America have been raped and my professor flipped shit. These types of situations were common. However, I also went for Psychology, which I find interesting, but learned about 2-3 years in that this is not going to be a helpful degree for finding a job but decided to finish anyway just to see what I could do with it. There isn't a lot of perspective to be had in classes like biology or math. Found out quickly that my degree wasn't worth much without even further education, took the first job I could get as a vault teller, was able to move to an entry level data center operator position within the company, later took a job in a better data center that also offers some tuition reimbursement, and will be going back to college this fall for network administration, now that I have a plan and know what job and what company I'm aiming for. I've spoken with many supervisors and bosses along the way for direction and have asked for advice and I've been incredibly fortunate to find people very willing to guide me and offer career insight in the IT world. This is something I could have done without a degree, but having any degree probably made it easier. So from personal experience, I do hear what the guy is saying in the video that if you go for something that isn't immediately useful, you will have a dramatized life experience in college and not learn much. Lots of people were upset and lots of people didn't have a direction, but for many, this is also the first experience on their own, so it's not really that unusual that many college students suck at life. Going for liberal arts degrees isn't terrible, but it does make things way more difficult ("give yourself a chance"). I do think there is an issue with college being way too expensive (textbook prices are actually criminal), and I do think there is an issue where people are being sold this idea that after college there will be companies lining up to hire you, but college is really only useful if you know specifically what you're after (like, a specific job title is a good start) and I wish I had waited a year or two after high school to actually get a plan together other than "hey this is kinda cool, lets go." So it's my fault for getting baited and but it's their fault for baiting me into college and my poor planning led to me being very bitter about my experience much like the guy in the video, and he didn't even go. Information is insanely accessible for people now, but that also means things are a lot more competitive. College is a very expensive investment and something like 3/4ths of the population wind up with jobs completely unrelated to their field of study. People should take time to plan or work outside of school before attending college if they're not sure what they want.

tl;dr old guy is probably too angry, but i see his point

edit: this is also an american perspective so ymmv
Decky
I'm a dog pirate
19516
well said, natook. it is pretty much the message I was hoping people would get
Even back in school it seemed to me like universities weren't really for people getting jobs. That's what... trade schools were for.
author=Deckiller
well said, natook. it is pretty much the message I was hoping people would get


thanks man, college is definitely a tricky thing to figure out and there are significant flaws in its current form that the video pointed out

author=Shinan
Even back in school it seemed to me like universities weren't really for people getting jobs. That's what... trade schools were for.

in the u.s. it is very much presented as the easiest route to getting a great job and its increasingly more common to see job ads that won't even accept applicants that don't even have an associate's degree. people quickly throw themselves into mountains of debt for a career path they won't even keep. the purpose of being higher educated feels completely secondary to the goal of getting a better job when it comes to college here. trade schools are an excellent route here too, and many jobs involved with a trade still pay very well and there are always a lot of openings. more people need to dismiss the idea of college in lieu of going to a trade school.
Decky
I'm a dog pirate
19516
don't trigger me my safe space is across the city
I wonder what baby boomers' feelings toward safe spaces will be in ten/fifteen years when they feel Death's boney finger ratcheting up the notches of their spines?

P.S. College is a great place to figure out what you want to do; just go in undeclared and take a variety of classes in subjects you're potentially interested in while knocking out basics.

P.P.S. That guy's concept of college exists only in his decaying brain.
harmonic
It's like toothpicks against a tank
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author=Housekeeping
baby boomers


This might be the most hated group of people in the history of the world
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5363
Damn you kids have some sass. You're gonna be a handful when you hit puberty.
Are there even jobs for highly educated university guys which are no desk-jobs?
author=Shinan
Even back in school it seemed to me like universities weren't really for people getting jobs. That's what... trade schools were for.


"Why can't I find a job?" I asked myself with my liberal arts degree before going to graduate school to learn a profession.
kentona
I am tired of Earth. These people. I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives.
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author=SgtMettool
author=Shinan
Even back in school it seemed to me like universities weren't really for people getting jobs. That's what... trade schools were for.
"Why can't I find a job?" I asked myself with my liberal arts degree before going to graduate school to learn a profession.

seriously though, if you want someone to manage business, get someone with a liberal arts or humanities or history degree before ever looking at someone with an MBA. at least then you'd have someone who has an inkling on how people work, which is 9/10th what managing is about. (serious!)


author=harmonic
author=Housekeeping
baby boomers
This might be the most hated group of people in the history of the world

except for maybe "millenials"*

*only 90s kids will get this
harmonic
It's like toothpicks against a tank
4120
author=kentona
how people work, which is 9/10th what managing is about. (serious!)


Yes, but I don't think a liberal arts degree will teach that versus life experience, specifically experience in the field which you're trying to manage
Well an MBA doesn't teach life experience either. Everyone has to start somewhere. (Even though I do find it funny how sometimes it seems that newly graduated people also are somehow expected to have ten years of experience in the field :)
Solitayre
Circumstance penalty for being the bard.
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In my experience the actual degree you have doesn't matter in a lot of fields. Unless you're trying to be a doctor or a lawyer a lot of degrees are relevant to a lot of jobs. Having actual job experience is always more important than whatever your diploma says.

Best advice: Get an internship. Saying 'I have a degree in x from y University' won't get you a job. Saying 'I had an internship at x company where I did y and z' will.
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