[MAFIA] TREACHEROUS - GAME OVER

So the game is pretty much over? That was quick :V

#lynch Pianotm

That's hammer and did town really win?

Moral victory

They can't win if we kill ourselves - sun tzu

I have real thoughts but I'm at work rn.

Sorry piano. That didn't go exactly how I wanted but that's to be expected when we didn't know each other's roles and couldn't speak

oof, so my assumption that Piano was scum was right from the start?

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I am going to roll scum and use a day ability, that I will have.

in my head I included 'on my partner' in this post and I kept true to the promise I made in spirit

Also I was going to play a little suicidally this game no matter what b/c I'm going on a hike in a week and so, was going to have to phonepost/potentially be without internet for a while, and preferred not to do that, or delay the game further since it had been delayed enough, and this forum isn't known for its ability to gather replacements. if I had been any other role and scum I probably would have just claimed detective on day 2 in order to force a counterclaim.

so while the day 1 duel was totally just, 'comedy move' there were some legitimate ways it could have played out that would have not been disastrous. these include:

1. no lynch by running out the clock. piano claimed real early so this couldn't really happen.
2. piano is a role other than detective, and dies. that's fine.
3. piano is a role other than detective and I die. that's fine.
3. piano is detective, doesn't claim, and dies. that's fine. not really worried about arguing out of the implications potentially cast by this.
4. piano is detective, doesn't claim, and I die. that's fine.


but 1 dead scum and the claim being out there made the game mathematically impossible to proceed with. it's my fault for expecting anyone to know what i was thinking, but also, this serves as a pretty good highlight as to why unrestricted scumchat (and also...knowing the other scum's role...) is pretty important. IDK who said that restricted scumchat is the norm elsewhere, but I've not seen it anywhere except in this game and stuff like town of salem, epicmafia, etc. On those sites, it doesn't make sense to have it because having an entirely different window to type to scum in or w/e is both cumbersome and leads to tiresome meta arguments and also because those games have such short days that it doesn't matter. In games with much longer days, like these, everything is put under much further scrutiny.

also I have a feeling that this setup has other ways in which it can be solved like a logic puzzle instead of social deduction, not sure.

I do think the D1 duel-other-scum move could have worked. Piano being detective made it difficult though.

I'm not sure the game was a lost cause either, but it seems like Piano would have had to do basically everything exactly right and still get a little lucky to string everyone along for long enough, and I think it would have resulted in public conflict with det blue which would have been risky.

piano had one night to kill blue or else sweet talk his way out of investigating himself, but otherwise yes he was screwed.

I kind of like restricted scumchat in that it parallels IRL mafia and sort of forces scum to improvise vs spend forever in scumchat planning out every step, even if it cuts into the depth of possible scumplays sort of. I guess what I really don't like is scum discord or w/e where scum have the ability to respond to each other in realtime and ping each other. Just a thread or whatever is fine.

How guac, Psy managed to play TWICE AT ONCE! :O