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Suzy and Let's Murder My Parents.
KadyCandy- 11/29/2013 11:22 PM
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I feel like I have the most f*cked up sense of humor for laughing at this scene. 'Specially since this is partly non-fiction. Aha.
Suzy and Freedom, as you read, is based off of a true crime. I read more into it to see how much it mirrors it, and honestly, it mirrors it quite well. I don't feel that she was a sociopath, how ever. She could had been Borderline Personality Disorder. This is because Sociopaths do not feel love. If you read more into the events leading into the murder, she was head over heels for Daniel, to an obsessed point. Very. Obsessed. She also didn't want her younger brother involved, thus showing she held no grudge against him, while a Sociopath would had killed him as well. Borderlines can also be very manipulative, obsessive with love, and has been known to kill at times. Although, we'll never know. Possibly no one cares, either.
Onto the game. It does glorify the story, which is very rare for these type of games. I know there's maybe two or three others based off of true crimes? I know one based off of the Columbine shooting. It was horrible. This? This is NOTHING like it. This game actually educates you what goes on in these situations, I feel. It also forces you to manipulate the boyfriend into killing the parents. Although, after finding out the father beat her, I kinda got bias
I disliked a couple of the mini games, not because they were bad. I just sucked at them. It's not going to hurt the score. I didn't know or understand at first why on earth there were mini games in this. Then they kinda played out like metaphors. Very smart!
I could say the game feels short and rushed, but honestly I tried myself to find a ton of information on this case. It was open and shut. As interesting(Don't hate) as it is, there really isn't much to make a game out of. I didn't play the creator's game before, so I don't know the game everyone is raving about. Although like I stated, I don't feel like Suzy is actually a Sociopath, but rather Borderline. Sociopaths cannot feel love, and have a very long history of violence anyhow. The signs would had been there if she was a sociopath, but she show signs of Borderline instead.(And me having Borderline myself, I am SO calling her out.)
I give it a 5/5 stars, because what is wrong with you people? F*ckin' awesome game.
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CloseI'm glad you liked it!
And don't feel bad that you empathized with the killer. That's pretty much what I tried to accomplish with the writing (in all of my games, actually).
It's interesting that you think Suzy was a borderline, instead of a sociopath. Well, I don't know. I'm not sure there are actually people that feel nothing towards anyone. Suzy (or the person in which she was based) is not completely emotionless, as you have noted. She loved Dan, she liked some people. She didn't like her parents. But still, she blocked her ears trying not to hear her parents dying (that happened).
On the other side, she's got some really strangely emotionless behavior. For instance, her reaction when the police told her that her parents died. "Ok. What do I do now? When can I sell the house?" (that also happened). She laughed during her trial. Well, she's a strange person, that's for sure. The real Suzane is so hard to empathize with that she was primarily blamed for the murder, while she was the only one who actually didn't kill anyone. The real Dan and Cris are already on parole. Suzane is kept in jail - she tried to get a parole, but she was considered "remorseless and dangerous", to her brother including.
I'm glad that the game makes people curious about the real story! It's a real interesting story, full of intriguing details. I even considered adding some text to the ending scene, like "Suzane was sentenced to 40 years of prison" bla bla, like movies inspired on a real story. But not having it probably made people more motivated to find more about it themselves. So... welp.
Thanks for the review!
And don't feel bad that you empathized with the killer. That's pretty much what I tried to accomplish with the writing (in all of my games, actually).
It's interesting that you think Suzy was a borderline, instead of a sociopath. Well, I don't know. I'm not sure there are actually people that feel nothing towards anyone. Suzy (or the person in which she was based) is not completely emotionless, as you have noted. She loved Dan, she liked some people. She didn't like her parents. But still, she blocked her ears trying not to hear her parents dying (that happened).
On the other side, she's got some really strangely emotionless behavior. For instance, her reaction when the police told her that her parents died. "Ok. What do I do now? When can I sell the house?" (that also happened). She laughed during her trial. Well, she's a strange person, that's for sure. The real Suzane is so hard to empathize with that she was primarily blamed for the murder, while she was the only one who actually didn't kill anyone. The real Dan and Cris are already on parole. Suzane is kept in jail - she tried to get a parole, but she was considered "remorseless and dangerous", to her brother including.
I'm glad that the game makes people curious about the real story! It's a real interesting story, full of intriguing details. I even considered adding some text to the ending scene, like "Suzane was sentenced to 40 years of prison" bla bla, like movies inspired on a real story. But not having it probably made people more motivated to find more about it themselves. So... welp.
Thanks for the review!
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The real Dan and Cris are already on parole.
Really? Wow… You think that since they were the ones who actually killed the parents that they still would be in jail and Suzane would be more likely the only one out on parole.
Also, I’m glad you didn’t put in any text for the ending scene; that was a good call.
Good review, KadyCandy, simple and effective. Just the way I like ‘em.
Most recent news I have (google translated):
CRIME - Accomplices in the death of Suzane von Richtofen parents in 2002 , Cristian and Daniel , ex -boyfriend of the girl, now may leave day to work and back to jail to sleep
SAO PAULO - Prisoners just over ten years , Cristian , 37, and Daniel Craven , 31 , will fulfill the remainder of their sentence in semi-open regime in which the detainee can leave day to work and back to the penitentiary to sleep . The brothers were convicted in 2006 , along with Suzane von Richthofen , the murder of her parents . Marísia Manfred von Richthofen , and were killed in the family home in Brooklyn , upscale neighborhood in the South Zone of São Paulo in October 2002. The three were arrested the following month .
According to the Court , the prosecution presented favorable progression penalty opinion. In his ruling , Judge Sueli de Oliveira Zeraik Armani , the Court of Criminal Executions Taubaté , said the brothers Daniel and Cristian have maintained good prison behavior and that good discipline was attested by the director of the prison Tremembé , located 147 km of São Paulo .
Cristian was sentenced to 38 years, one month and 18 days of imprisonment , while Daniel , who was Suzane boyfriend at the time of the crime , was sentenced to 38 years, 11 months and 17 days.
Also according to the sentence of the magistrate , the time of completion of feathers is sufficient to grant the benefit . The Penal Code , the offender shall be entitled to semi-open detention after serving one-sixth of the sentence .
Suzane
In June 2011 , the Superior Court of Justice ( STJ ) rejected the request made by the defense Suzane for the daughter of Manfred von Richtofen Marísia and obtain progression to the semi-open regime. In December 2010 , the Supreme Court had already denied another request by former law student at the Catholic University of São Paulo ( PUC - SP ) .
The appeal to the Court of Justice had also been denied on the grounds that the criminological examination showed immaturity , egocentricity , impulsivity , aggression and lack of remorse by Suzane .
At the time , the prosecution had positioned himself against granting the benefit Suzane , considering it disguised .
Sentenced to 39 years and six months in prison for triple murder qualified ( unworthy motive , means and cruel impossibility of defending the victims ) , Suzane remains trapped in a closed regime in Tremembé .
(source: http://amp-pe.jusbrasil.com.br/noticias/100351908/irmaos-cravinhos-em-regime-semiaberto-jornal-do-commercio-brasil)
CRIME - Accomplices in the death of Suzane von Richtofen parents in 2002 , Cristian and Daniel , ex -boyfriend of the girl, now may leave day to work and back to jail to sleep
SAO PAULO - Prisoners just over ten years , Cristian , 37, and Daniel Craven , 31 , will fulfill the remainder of their sentence in semi-open regime in which the detainee can leave day to work and back to the penitentiary to sleep . The brothers were convicted in 2006 , along with Suzane von Richthofen , the murder of her parents . Marísia Manfred von Richthofen , and were killed in the family home in Brooklyn , upscale neighborhood in the South Zone of São Paulo in October 2002. The three were arrested the following month .
According to the Court , the prosecution presented favorable progression penalty opinion. In his ruling , Judge Sueli de Oliveira Zeraik Armani , the Court of Criminal Executions Taubaté , said the brothers Daniel and Cristian have maintained good prison behavior and that good discipline was attested by the director of the prison Tremembé , located 147 km of São Paulo .
Cristian was sentenced to 38 years, one month and 18 days of imprisonment , while Daniel , who was Suzane boyfriend at the time of the crime , was sentenced to 38 years, 11 months and 17 days.
Also according to the sentence of the magistrate , the time of completion of feathers is sufficient to grant the benefit . The Penal Code , the offender shall be entitled to semi-open detention after serving one-sixth of the sentence .
Suzane
In June 2011 , the Superior Court of Justice ( STJ ) rejected the request made by the defense Suzane for the daughter of Manfred von Richtofen Marísia and obtain progression to the semi-open regime. In December 2010 , the Supreme Court had already denied another request by former law student at the Catholic University of São Paulo ( PUC - SP ) .
The appeal to the Court of Justice had also been denied on the grounds that the criminological examination showed immaturity , egocentricity , impulsivity , aggression and lack of remorse by Suzane .
At the time , the prosecution had positioned himself against granting the benefit Suzane , considering it disguised .
Sentenced to 39 years and six months in prison for triple murder qualified ( unworthy motive , means and cruel impossibility of defending the victims ) , Suzane remains trapped in a closed regime in Tremembé .
(source: http://amp-pe.jusbrasil.com.br/noticias/100351908/irmaos-cravinhos-em-regime-semiaberto-jornal-do-commercio-brasil)
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Jesus, Suzane, you think being stuck in prison for a while would make you more remorseful and more mature about the whole situation – not the other way around.
Wow, she sure seems like a real psychopath. Forget about that whole post I made about you two hooking up after she gets released, bud, hahahahaha.
Wow, she sure seems like a real psychopath. Forget about that whole post I made about you two hooking up after she gets released, bud, hahahahaha.
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You know, I find these news quite believable, after having played your game.
For me, Dan and Chris were... well, two idiots who made a lot of very wrong choices for selfish reasons, but were at least somewhat aware of what they were doing.
During the whole thing, though, it felt like there was something inherently wrong with Suzanne.
At the end of the game, I could see Dan and Chris as two normal criminals who should suffer an appropriate punishment and then have a second chance (expecially if they actually believed Suzie's claims about her father raping her).
Suzie, though... it was a bit sad, but I thought that removing her from society forever was the only viable option.
So... well, for me you did sort of make her a "monster", I guess? :P
For me, Dan and Chris were... well, two idiots who made a lot of very wrong choices for selfish reasons, but were at least somewhat aware of what they were doing.
During the whole thing, though, it felt like there was something inherently wrong with Suzanne.
At the end of the game, I could see Dan and Chris as two normal criminals who should suffer an appropriate punishment and then have a second chance (expecially if they actually believed Suzie's claims about her father raping her).
Suzie, though... it was a bit sad, but I thought that removing her from society forever was the only viable option.
So... well, for me you did sort of make her a "monster", I guess? :P
If that's how you view the characters in the game, then I guess I was pretty spot on in portraying their personalities. That's exactly how I see them. And considering the news above, that's about how they really are.
The rape dialog choice was added when I was almost finishing the game. On later research I found that she had told Daniel that her father raped her. Daniel said it in court, but she denied ever saying that. It's very likely untrue (that he raped her). It's also very likely that she said it just to convince him, and that it was one of the primary reasons why he agreed to murder her parents.
I tried not to maker her a monster... just a twisted person with legitimate motivations. :D
The rape dialog choice was added when I was almost finishing the game. On later research I found that she had told Daniel that her father raped her. Daniel said it in court, but she denied ever saying that. It's very likely untrue (that he raped her). It's also very likely that she said it just to convince him, and that it was one of the primary reasons why he agreed to murder her parents.
I tried not to maker her a monster... just a twisted person with legitimate motivations. :D
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Uh... I would never call her motivations "legitimate".
Or at least, I think they would be legitimate only in the eyes of somebody inhumanly self-centered. Which, I guess, is how you could describe most adolescents, though luckily not at Suzie's level.
Or at least, I think they would be legitimate only in the eyes of somebody inhumanly self-centered. Which, I guess, is how you could describe most adolescents, though luckily not at Suzie's level.
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If that's how you view the characters in the game, then I guess I was pretty spot on in portraying their personalities. That's exactly how I see them. And considering the news above, that's about how they really are.
The rape dialog choice was added when I was almost finishing the game. On later research I found that she had told Daniel that her father raped her. Daniel said it in court, but she denied ever saying that. It's very likely untrue (that he raped her). It's also very likely that she said it just to convince him, and that it was one of the primary reasons why he agreed to murder her parents.
I tried not to maker her a monster... just a twisted person with legitimate motivations. :D
I could not get myself to go with the rape choice anyhow. The beating one(Which had truth in it, as I found out after), worked. It's very odd that she didn't have any signs before this of being a sociopath, but yet of Borderline. The killing seemed to have changed that from the news reportings, and what her brother has said though.
The traits are split up like this, as I see it;
Obsessive love, but not controlling.(Borderline rather than Sociopathy. If she was a true sociopath all the way to heart, that would had been Hell in a hand basket of a relationship. I've never met or heard of a Sociopath to treat their partner kindly.)
Wreckless behavior, both.
Lack of Empathy, both, leaning towards sociopath.
Highly, highly manipulative. Sociopath
Lack of remorse for actions(Although, honestly, if I felt someonereally deserved it, I wouldn't feel remorse either.) Sociopath.
Impulsive behavior. Both--more towards Borderline, because Sociopaths are a little more smarter.
Drug use. Both.
In the end, with the reports I read, she really did love Daniel. She was OBSESSED with Daniel. Instantly she wanted her parents to get a flat with him, and they rejected it. But who knows, Sociopathy is really tricky unlike Psychopathy that's very straight forward.
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Uh... I would never call her motivations "legitimate".
Or at least, I think they would be legitimate only in the eyes of somebody inhumanly self-centered. Which, I guess, is how you could describe most adolescents, though luckily not at Suzie's level.
Agreed. She could had simply moved out or manipulated her parents, she obviously had the skills to. She had the money to move out, but for whatever reason it wasn't enough for her I suppose.
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Agreed. She could had simply moved out or manipulated her parents, she obviously had the skills to. She had the money to move out, but for whatever reason it wasn't enough for her I suppose.
But what I'm saying is, even if she had no other way to fulfull her True Love ( http://xkcd.com/807/ ), that still would be no sane motive to kill two persons, much less her parents.
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