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The sort of game you end up having a bunch of feelings about

  • emmych
  • 12/10/2015 09:30 AM
  • 4928 views
To start, I wanna say that I’m leaving this review unstarred because I recognize that the main things that would cause me to give this a lower score are rooted in differing tastes between unity and myself. I’m also going to focus this review primarily on discussing the aspects of the game that stuck out to me for whatever reason, rather than convincing the reader they should play this game, because the short version is this: do you like RPGs where the challenge is attrition? Do you like stories about lesbians? If one or both of these things are true, you will probably enjoy this game.

That being said, I am going to spoil a lot of things! Consider this your one warning to hit the back button before you’re spoiled.

I’ve divvied this up into five sections in which I sorta Ramble, so here’s hoping someone reads this stuff and has Thinks about it! Here we go.

The troubles of RPG fatigue

This is not a problem that’s exclusive to Luxaren Allure, by any means. It’s fairly common in games to have long, successive dungeons filled to the brim with boss fights and enemy encounters. Straight up, this is not my cup of tea in the slightest, but I do fight through such things if I’m invested enough in the story, which was the case here. Like I said, though, this is a matter of preference! This game is built to be a battle of attrition and I’m not into that, fair enough.


you got it, merel


However, my issue is this: because it takes so long to get from plot breadcrumb to plot breadcrumb, I started to lose focus. I frequently found myself gearing down to the easiest difficulty to get through a particularly long dungeon, which was a shame, since the clever battles are part of the main draw insofar as gameplay goes. The few places I DIDN’T notice myself skipping fights were in Singing Winds Pass and Hell’s Gate. The difference between these dungeons and the rest of the dungeons in the game?

Plot breaks.

Every now and again, we broke for plot and the party talked. This provided a quick rest from the slog of dungeon crawling, and refreshed me for the next stretch. Compare to the trek between Parvian and Springmouth, where you had to trek through two full dungeons, complete with bosses, and a field area, all with very little plot breaks. Full disclosure: by the time I got to the swirling sand cave? I cheated to get through the rest of it (aka I held CTRL and walked through walls), because I was more invested in What Happened Next than I was in playing the game in front of me.

Is this a personal case of me being impatient, or a flaw in the game? Heck if I know. I just know that I, personally, would slap down more areas to breathe for the player, since, like I said: I don’t have a lot of RPG stamina.

Chisa, Merel, and the topic of consent.

How many other people noticed how atypical Chisa and Merel’s courtship and eventual relationship was? And, no, I don’t mean because they’re both women or because one of them is a naga. The thing I’m getting at here is the fact Merel, a flirty character, expressed an attraction to Chisa, a shy character… and everyone’s boundaries were 100% respected. Chisa wasn’t sure how she felt at first? Hey, that’s cool: Merel didn’t put pressure on her to reciprocate, and Karuna was always quick to remind Chisa that she didn’t have to do anything she didn’t actually want to do with Merel. By the time Chisa and Merel finally became a couple, it was obvious that Chisa was as into the idea as Merel was, which was just great.

This should be normal, right? The answer: yes, BUT: this much care and attention spent on developing a romance is actually pretty rare. I can’t remember the last time I engaged with a piece of media about a romance that didn’t romanticize breaches of consent in some way, like forcing kisses, invading space bubbles, pushing things forward without asking permission of the other person, etc. And this is usually framed as a desirable thing, when in truth, it’s not. Like, I’m telling you: if you’ve ever been on the receiving end of unwanted attraction, it’s not flattering or convincing: it’s creepy and off putting.

This is why I found Merel and Chisa to be so refreshing! Merel was sorta pushy at first, but immediately backed off when Chisa expressed discomfort. This didn’t, however, kill the romance: things still progressed, and I ended up rooting for Chisa and Merel to get together as Chisa began warming up to the idea. I’m telling you: this isn’t something I do often. I am a dirty shipper, but I tend to ship people who hate eachother’s guts, not folks who could actually enjoy a successful, healthy relationship, because I am a garbage bag.

Speaking of healthy relationships, Karuna and Auralie were also great! They were super supportive of one another without crossing over into anything resembling co-dependency. It was always clear that they were super in love and wanted to see the other succeed out of that love. We didn’t see much of this, since Auralie joined pretty late in the game, but I appreciated what did show up.

Basically, you wanna include romance in your game? Luxaren Allure is an excellent case study in well written romance, lesbian or otherwise. Hats off to unity for this, since YEAH, DANG, GOOD JOB!!! <3

An ever fluctuating tone.

Luxaren Allure has a bit of a weird tone going for it. For example, when you first get to Springmouth, you’re introduced to a town that has been ravaged by monsters and is mourning the loss of many of its citizens. The survivors wonder what they’r future looks like -- if they even have a future -- and look to you as their hero for guidance. You recruit a new party member whose crew has just been murdered by these same monsters and forge on ahead with renewed determination to put a stop to Darkloft’s plans and save the Luxaren Isles.

In the next town, you participate in a goofy love festival with some of the silliest NPCs in the game, as well as two of the monster generals who you have seen literally murder people in previous areas.


I AM ALWAYS READY TO CUDDLE WHO DO U THINK U R TALKING 2


Now, I’m not saying games have to be ALL SERIOUS~ or ALL GOOFY~, but this sort of tonal whiplash was super jarring. I won’t pretend like managing tone in a game like this is easy, either! Balancing lightheartedness and serious business is a tough thing to get right.

So here’s my two cents on Tone: from my perspective, the main focus of this game is 1) Karuna’s love for Auralie, 2) her quest to save her from Darkloft’s clutches, and 3) the relationships between party members. Killing off a bunch of NPCs is in no way necessary to make this sort of story happen. For the most part, the chosen hero defeating Darkloft plot felt like a vehicle to keep Karuna and friends moving forward towards their goals, and this isn’t a bad thing! But this meant that there wasn’t a lot of focus on the ramifications of Darkloft’s actions apart from “she’s hurting Auralie and we have to rescue Auralie from her.”

I think the tone of LA could have been far better balanced by removing a lot of the lethal elements to the story and focusing on building up Darkloft as a threat without giving her a body count. If Darkloft was an impending threat instead of an imminent one, taking a break to do a weird love contest with your enemies wouldn’t seem so weird! The game could have gotten away with laughing alongside the villains, as they wouldn’t be guilty of anything beyond some property damage and being threatening. Killing innocent people, on the other hand, is a really tough thing to come back from, and it’s certainly hard to forget about it when you next meet with the guilty party.

Now this, of course, is ignoring the fact a lot of Auralie’s conflict has to do with the guilt of killing people. Keeping that involves more than quick fix-it’s like “just blow up some buildings and leave the peeps alone, maaaan”, but is still something that could be done with care. Maybe it means moving the love festival to earlier in the game and having the tone get darker as the plot progresses, maybe it means making the deaths a BIGGER deal by having Darkloft kill someone on screen with her own hands so Auralie keeps the guilt but not the body count. Either way, I don’t think going back and changing this project significantly would serve the creator. Mostly I say this as feedback to carry forward into future projects.

The main thing to take away from this section: emmych is a Dirty Pacifist and thinks you should critically examine your usage of NPC death as a plot device, since 1) there are usually alternatives, 2) it immediately makes the tone of your story a lot more sombre since Mass Murder. NPC death isn’t something to take lightly in your narrative, and if it needs to happen, there should be a good reason!

WOMEN, WOMEN EVERYWHERE

Typically in lesbian fiction, you will find at least one of two things:

Lesbian romance tailored to the male gaze, or, lesbian women behaving in a way heterosexual men find pleasing instead of focus on women loving each other (even in shows MADE for lesbians, by lesbians!!)
SO MUCH SEX, pornographic amounts of sex. Have you seen the L Word? Lip Service? These shows have extended sex scenes in every episode, like oh my goodness.

Neither of these things are present in Luxaren Allure, and OH BOY was I ever appreciative of it! For once, I felt like I was actually engaging with a place of Gay Lady Media that was aimed at people like myself, rather than those who consume women’s sexuality for the sake of personal gratification. The emphasis wasn’t on exploiting the main characters for their sex appeal, but rather focusing on their relationships with one another and highlighting how much they loved each other. Even a character like Merel, who obviously had a sex drive and felt sexual attraction for Chisa, wasn’t eclipsed by her sexuality (referring to her existence as a sexual being in this context, not “is a lesbian”): it was simply an element of who she was, just like she was a dork about ruins and a romantic at heart.

I cannot emphasize how happy I was to play a game that was about women in which men were not a central aspect of their plots and conflicts. These women existed independently from men, which is something women in real life do all the time that somehow is never reflected in media. Women in media are seen as girlfriends, mothers, sisters, daughters, friends, supporters, but never their own people. The women in Luxaren Allure are fully fledged human beings with their own desires, and it was an absolute joy to see. They end up being people’s girlfriends and friends, but first and foremost they are human beings with autonomy.

Now, you don’t have to cut out all men for women to be autonomous! I was glad to play a game that was all about women, and I hope people can emulate the way women are treated in Luxaren Allure in their own projects. Whenever you see me hollering in the forums about how women are people, blah blah blah Bechdel Test, blah blah blah why do men have to be the centre of everything: just go back here and look at how all these women have independent goals and desires apart from pining after a man. And remember that. And then, when writing women, put that shit into practice. Your writing will be a million times better for it, trust me.

Lynette and the case of the missed potential.

I have so many feelings about Lynette, guys. So many??? So many. And a lot of them are “oh my God why did things have to end up the way they did?”

Lynette as a character has an AMAZING base concept: she’s a driven person who has always felt like she wasn’t good enough. She works hard to make up for her perceived flaws. She is assertive, direct, and holier than thou. And then she joins your already established party of three, and upsets the status quo.

When Lynette first joined, my assumption was that she was going to disrespect Karuna’s authority as the leader and hero, and try to take matters into her own hands. I thought she was going to have a problem with this whole “let’s save Auralie” plan, since it was a self-centred goal that would conflict with Lynette’s ideals of self-sacrifice for the greater good. This would have created a buttload of conflict, especially if she were to bond with someone like, say, Chisa, who also dealt with being the family disappointment and worked hard to overcome that, albeit in a very different way.

Instead, Lynette ends up being fairly one-note in that her character is mainly expressed through Being Mean and antagonizing the party. This is done at the expense of thoroughly exploring other aspects of her character, right up until the last hour or so of the game.


She still gets the best frickin’ lines in the game, though.


This was really disappointing to me, since, in a game that mostly focused on character interaction as the main source of Plot, having one of the main sources of conflict come from inter-party issues would have been amazing!

“But, Em,” you say, “Lynette totally ended up being a low key antagonist anyway! What are you getting so irate about?”

I’LL TELL U WHAT!! Lynette conflict stemming from her being a huge asshole instantly stopped making me empathize with Lynette. She was a jerk to these characters I already liked, and for no good reason! Now, if Lynette’s conflict had come from motivations I could empathize with, like the whole “I have never been good enough so I must be the Best Hero to prove my worth” thing, that would have been great!

While the conflict with “what do you mean, we’re saving Auralie” did indeed come about, it ended up feeling rushed and was dropped when Lynette left the party, only to reemerge without much discussion right before you fought her. And, in true RPG fashion, pummelling Lynette was enough to make her drop the subject, although she was clearly still mulling it over during the Hell’s Gate dungeon.

I also think having Chisa as a point of contention would have been fantastic. Chisa making friends with this new party member because they bonded over similar experiences would have been excellent, especially if Lynette’s relationships with Karuna and Merel would have stayed the same, that is, disrespecting hero-ship and constant bickering, respectively. Chisa’s loyalties being tested would have been a great complementary arc for her, given that her main arc was already building up her confidence. Learning to say no to someone she otherwise likes woulda been really cool! This also would have given Lynette a believable way back into the party, as Chisa could have vouched for her.

However, I did hear unity whispering about Lynette getting her own game! So, who knows, maybe these things I’m wanting to see will pop up there, hm? And I mean it’s not like Lynette was my FAV or anything, like, pfft, it’s not like I’d wanna PLAY a Lynette game or anything, ha, ha ha ha, ha… <3

(If you’re curious, the other Lynette feelings were “oh my god I wanna kiss u u big huge jerkfaced holier than thou fuckhead oh my gOD I HATE U <333” because, like I said earlier, I am a garbage bag.)

The Final Verdict

Like I said above: Luxaren Allure is a game I had a lot of feelings about! It definitely wasn’t my perfect game, by any means, but I sincerely enjoyed myself when I played it and I think it has a lot of food for thought for game devs when they work on their own projects. I continue to be hype about the stuff unity makes, since there was absolutely enough in this game to make me really like it!



I consider it a must try for folks for the reasons I outlined above, even the stuff that seems negative. I’m lookin’ forward to whatever unity puts out next, too, so I’ll stay tuned for that~

now if you’ll excuse me, i have very important things to attend to *starts doodling Mrs. and Mx Lynette on notebook*

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Interesting review, and it mirrors a lot of my own thoughts (and says them way better than I could.) The biggest difference is I didn't really have the issue with the dungeon fatigue that you did, though I think that comes down largely to a difference in taste. I also didn't have quite as much problem with the tonal issues, though they were still there for me. But your thoughts about how Lynnette's potential was missed were spot on, and perfectly expressed my issues with her character.

Still, a good game overall, and like you I really look forward to seeing what unity has in store next (whether it's a Lynnette focused game or not)
unity
You're magical to me.
12188
Wow! Thank you so much for such an in-depth, personal look at the game. This was a joy to read, and I'm so glad I could evoke such feelings, even if all of them weren't positive.

As for the RPG Fatigue, I am very much an RPG content nut who delights in massive dungeons and legions of baddies, and I went overboard. Some people elsewhere compared my dungeons to Mt. Moon of Pokemon infamy which is not a comparison I want (the frustration of constant battles and getting lost are not qualities I want to be remembered for ^^;;;). But I think the real takeaway is what you said about the breathers in between. People want plot, and I put multiple dungeons in-between significant plot points on multiple occasions. My reasoning for doing so sounded good in my head, what with adding to the size of the world and such, but at the end of the day, if it doesn't equal enjoyment for the player, then there's something wrong. I'll try hard not to make that mistake again.

I'm super-glad you liked the Chisa-Merel romance! Both of the romances in the game are really near and dear to my heart, as I put a lot of love into the characters and I'm so glad it shows. I feel that the best relationships are ones where the couple meets in the middle, and I wanted to show that Chisa slowly got closer and closer to Merel as she let her into her heart, and I am pleased as punch that it comes across. ^________^

The whole co-dependency troubles with the other relationship was one I was also worried about. I didn't want it to look like Karuna was just proping her up, or sweeping her problems under a rug. Glad to see it made the right impression! :DDDDDDDDDDD

About the topic of tone, I am completely guilty. I am terrible at managing tone. The NPC murders and atrocities are also because, after the initial demo, I had more than one person tell me "Hey, Darkloft isn't all that evil or threatening. She hasn't even done anything terrible!" And instead of responding with "Well, it's a Dragon Quest-like scenario and Darkloft's evil is a looming threat" I instead decided that I needed to escalate Darkloft's evil deeds.

Granted, the potion-factory was always meant to be destroyed and Springsmouth was supposed to be living in fear of fishmen-invaders, but I added in the NPC deaths to add more punch to the situation, and I did so carelessly. This took a a game that was already tonally weird with the silly dialog and goofy item descriptions and made it jump of the tonal deep-end. I want to thank you for pointing this out, because I really didn't realize the actual extent of the damage I did.

As to the topic of lesbian fiction, I see plenty of this same thing all the time, where it's all about the sex and the hotness. And, even though I don't want to admit it, I actually have older stories that totally emulate those sorts of stories, with plenty of raunchy stuff interspersed with the lovey-dovey stuff. >.>;;

But I realized that what really melts my heart and makes me feel good inside is the relationships, and showing those to be of an explicit nature foremost... well, it isn't necessary and it can be very distracting. I realized that just because all the lesbian fiction I found had something, didn't mean it was a requirement or that it needed to be in stories like that. I'm very proud that, even though I have a ton of growing to do as a writer, I was able to make a game that stands on its own as a piece of lesbian fiction without the usual sexual exploitation. And it really makes my day that the game spoke to you in a way that other media generally does not! ^__________^

I am kicking myself over Lynette, because, yeah, I could have used her so much better. She very much became just an antagonator to the others when I wanted her to feel like more. I don't really have much more to add other than I'd like to do that game starring her in the future, where she has her big character arc, falls in love, and becomes a much more rounded character.

Thank you again very much for this review! This kind of honest and heartfelt overview is just the sort of thing I need, and I have a ton of things to think about now, and a lot of ideas on how to improve on games in the future. Thank you soooooo much, emmych! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

now if you’ll excuse me, i have very important things to attend to *starts doodling Mrs. and Mx Lynette on notebook*

Hehehehehehehe <3
Red_Nova
The all around prick
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Man, I've played this game at least five different times and this review still offers an interesting view that I hadn't thought of. A very well thought out review!
Still looking forward to play this one. I think that the case of lots of/long dungeons in between plot points are similar to my current game. It is a dungeon crawler, but it also has a very deep and involving plot with interesting characters.

I don't think that there's a problem with these kind of games. What happens instead is that your game draws players from different audiences;
players who like to delve deep into massive dungeons and players who are there for a tight and thrilling story.
Perhaps these don't mesh together that well, since it can cause tensions for certain players (too much of this and too less of that).

This is pretty interesting to me though and I'll probably keep the progression in mind when I play this game.
author=unity
Wow! Thank you so much for such an in-depth, personal look at the game. This was a joy to read, and I'm so glad I could evoke such feelings, even if all of them weren't positive.

Aw this is good to hear! I was a little nervous posting this, since I defs didn't wanna seem discouraging or anything @__@

author=unity
As for the RPG Fatigue, I am very much an RPG content nut who delights in massive dungeons and legions of baddies, and I went overboard. Some people elsewhere compared my dungeons to Mt. Moon of Pokemon infamy which is not a comparison I want (the frustration of constant battles and getting lost are not qualities I want to be remembered for ^^;;;). But I think the real takeaway is what you said about the breathers in between. People want plot, and I put multiple dungeons in-between significant plot points on multiple occasions. My reasoning for doing so sounded good in my head, what with adding to the size of the world and such, but at the end of the day, if it doesn't equal enjoyment for the player, then there's something wrong. I'll try hard not to make that mistake again.

Hey, it's something to keep in mind! Defs take my perception with a grain of salt, though, since my personal taste is faster paced games and gameplay more focused on puzzling your way through something. Evidently other folks have found the way LA is built to be appealing and fun, and I definitely had my own fun with it! At the end of the day, I say make a game you'd wanna play, and if other folks like it, that's excellent.

author=unity
I'm super-glad you liked the Chisa-Merel romance! Both of the romances in the game are really near and dear to my heart, as I put a lot of love into the characters and I'm so glad it shows. I feel that the best relationships are ones where the couple meets in the middle, and I wanted to show that Chisa slowly got closer and closer to Merel as she let her into her heart, and I am pleased as punch that it comes across. ^________^

The whole co-dependency troubles with the other relationship was one I was also worried about. I didn't want it to look like Karuna was just proping her up, or sweeping her problems under a rug. Glad to see it made the right impression! :DDDDDDDDDDD

yOU JUST DID A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THE ROMANCES OKAY i'm so pleased???? it was so refreshing and wonderful to see, and negl it's one of the main reasons I was determined to see this game through to the end, even when things got a little rough for me. I was super invested in your characters, and that goes a very long way ;___; <3

author=unity
About the topic of tone, I am completely guilty. I am terrible at managing tone. The NPC murders and atrocities are also because, after the initial demo, I had more than one person tell me "Hey, Darkloft isn't all that evil or threatening. She hasn't even done anything terrible!" And instead of responding with "Well, it's a Dragon Quest-like scenario and Darkloft's evil is a looming threat" I instead decided that I needed to escalate Darkloft's evil deeds.

Granted, the potion-factory was always meant to be destroyed and Springsmouth was supposed to be living in fear of fishmen-invaders, but I added in the NPC deaths to add more punch to the situation, and I did so carelessly. This took a a game that was already tonally weird with the silly dialog and goofy item descriptions and made it jump of the tonal deep-end. I want to thank you for pointing this out, because I really didn't realize the actual extent of the damage I did.

It's certainly something you have to take on a case by case basis, since, hey, sometimes invoking death IS a solid narrative move. Again, my personal preference is to shy away and keep the tone a little lighter, but this isn't how everyone has to write! I think you've got the insight to work towards figuring out exactly the kind of tone you want in future projects, and I'd be more than willing to talk tone if you felt like running things by me at any point! ;w;

author=unity
As to the topic of lesbian fiction, I see plenty of this same thing all the time, where it's all about the sex and the hotness. And, even though I don't want to admit it, I actually have older stories that totally emulate those sorts of stories, with plenty of raunchy stuff interspersed with the lovey-dovey stuff. >.>;;

But I realized that what really melts my heart and makes me feel good inside is the relationships, and showing those to be of an explicit nature foremost... well, it isn't necessary and it can be very distracting. I realized that just because all the lesbian fiction I found had something, didn't mean it was a requirement or that it needed to be in stories like that. I'm very proud that, even though I have a ton of growing to do as a writer, I was able to make a game that stands on its own as a piece of lesbian fiction without the usual sexual exploitation. And it really makes my day that the game spoke to you in a way that other media generally does not! ^__________^

L-LOOK MAN I'M JUST AS GUILTY OKAY OTL A little raunchy stuff now and again can be super fun. >___>; *hides folder of steamy fic about own characters*

But yeah, you did a really great job here. Again, LA was very refreshing! Thanks a bunch for writing this story, basically, since yeah it... it was really great ;___; <3

author=unity
I am kicking myself over Lynette, because, yeah, I could have used her so much better. She very much became just an antagonator to the others when I wanted her to feel like more. I don't really have much more to add other than I'd like to do that game starring her in the future, where she has her big character arc, falls in love, and becomes a much more rounded character.

i mEAN I'D BE INTO THAT GAME A WHOLE LOT IF YOU MADE IT <3 <3 <3
Since yes I defs still think she's a good character and you could do a lot of really neat stuff with her! I'd be super interested in seeing how she grew, too, since MAN that'd be interesting to play! <3333

Thank you again very much for this review! This kind of honest and heartfelt overview is just the sort of thing I need, and I have a ton of things to think about now, and a lot of ideas on how to improve on games in the future. Thank you soooooo much, emmych! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

ANY TIIIIME i'm glad it was helpful! I'm looking forward to your future projects, like for realsies and for true! ;w; <3
unity
You're magical to me.
12188
author=emmych
author=unity
Wow! Thank you so much for such an in-depth, personal look at the game. This was a joy to read, and I'm so glad I could evoke such feelings, even if all of them weren't positive.
Aw this is good to hear! I was a little nervous posting this, since I defs didn't wanna seem discouraging or anything @__@


I completely understand, as yeah, when offering criticism, you never know how the developer will take it. But I really appreciate your honesty, because feedback like this is super, super useful!

author=unity
Hey, it's something to keep in mind! Defs take my perception with a grain of salt, though, since my personal taste is faster paced games and gameplay more focused on puzzling your way through something. Evidently other folks have found the way LA is built to be appealing and fun, and I definitely had my own fun with it! At the end of the day, I say make a game you'd wanna play, and if other folks like it, that's excellent.


Thanks! That's a good point. I guess I have a real urge to make stuff that, gameplay-wise, a lot of people can enjoy. I'll still want to make the heavy-content RPG with the attrition-based stuff, but I'd like to try to make some games more accessible, too.

author=emmych
yOU JUST DID A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THE ROMANCES OKAY i'm so pleased???? it was so refreshing and wonderful to see, and negl it's one of the main reasons I was determined to see this game through to the end, even when things got a little rough for me. I was super invested in your characters, and that goes a very long way ;___; <3


;u; I AM SO GLAD!!! Characters are my fav thing, so this really means a lot to me!!!

author=emmych
It's certainly something you have to take on a case by case basis, since, hey, sometimes invoking death IS a solid narrative move. Again, my personal preference is to shy away and keep the tone a little lighter, but this isn't how everyone has to write! I think you've got the insight to work towards figuring out exactly the kind of tone you want in future projects, and I'd be more than willing to talk tone if you felt like running things by me at any point! ;w;


Thank you so much!!! I may take you up on that at some point. Like, I generally like really lighthearted tones. However, my next game is going to be much darker in several ways (it already has the word "unfortunate" in it >.>;;; XD) so I'm very worried about tone. It's... a very new and different thing for me, as I usually like really happy stories.

author=emmych
L-LOOK MAN I'M JUST AS GUILTY OKAY OTL A little raunchy stuff now and again can be super fun. >___>; *hides folder of steamy fic about own characters*

But yeah, you did a really great job here. Again, LA was very refreshing! Thanks a bunch for writing this story, basically, since yeah it... it was really great ;___; <3


Whew. I'm glad I'm not the only one XD; But thanks! This was very much a case of "make the kind of game you want to see in this world" and that's why the romances were the way they were. I want games that tell the stories I want to hear and take me seriously and respect the characters, so that was very much my motivation!

author=emmych
i mEAN I'D BE INTO THAT GAME A WHOLE LOT IF YOU MADE IT <3 <3 <3
Since yes I defs still think she's a good character and you could do a lot of really neat stuff with her! I'd be super interested in seeing how she grew, too, since MAN that'd be interesting to play! <3333


C-could I possibly consult with you some of my ideas when the time for that game comes? Me and Sooz have been doing a lot of brainstorming on it and I'd be very interested in getting your opinion at some point ^___^

Thank you again very much for this review! This kind of honest and heartfelt overview is just the sort of thing I need, and I have a ton of things to think about now, and a lot of ideas on how to improve on games in the future. Thank you soooooo much, emmych! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
ANY TIIIIME i'm glad it was helpful! I'm looking forward to your future projects, like for realsies and for true! ;w; <3


Thank you sooooo much! <3<3<3 I'll work hard to not disappoint!
Sooz
They told me I was mad when I said I was going to create a spidertable. Who’s laughing now!!!
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Yeah we should do some kind of chat thingy about Lynette sequel. :D
tHAT WOULD BE GREAT TBH I'd be so into that OTL OTL OTL OTL
Like that is a hard Yes for any future Lynette game consultation needs, okay ;___; <33333
On the topic Lynette, not only is she a jerk that loses any sympathy that she manages to get from everytime she insults the party for no reason, but the story doesn't seem to like her either. Out of all the characters in the game, she's the only one that doesn't have any closure at the end and in fact might've ended worse for.

I mean Karuna managed to save the woman she loved. Aurelie, although still feeling guilty about everything, has tamed the darkness in her and is a stronger person because of it. Chisa proved to her family just how strong she is by being one of the heroes in her own way and Merel basically said "F**k you. I got a human girlfriend and we are so happy that every step we take makes rainbows." Even Elly and Thelma(can never remember their real names) get a happy ending watching over their master while Lynette gets nothing but what might be giving nasty glares to Aurelie and might be plotting to kill her first chance she gets.

This woman who travelled far to help and prove her worth, who lost her entire crew goes home a failure. Sure she helps defeats Lurlock but she felt that was beneath. Then she gets humiliated at the love contest before quitting to group which cause her to miss out on being a hero to the fairy race and fighting other baddies. Then wastes her once in a lifetime skill on someone who wasn't a threat, which cause Darkloft to get away. And not only did she not get to fight Darkloft but she missed out on getting revenge on the monster that destroy the ship she used.

Sure, she hold back those demons but that seemed more like a contrived way to keep the party as four and ultimately hurt her as a character as she didn't feel like she belong with the group. I hate to say this but if Lynette was cut from the story, nothing would be different except maybe losing a shrine in Singwind Pass. And that's never a good thing.
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A fair point. We are, however, making a spinoff starring her in an effort to give her some growth and show her in a more likeable light.
I know. I just wanted to add a little addendum because while replaying it a second time, not only did I feel Lynette was a jerk to everyone for no reason but the story was a jerk to her for no reason.

Though for the sequel I only have two ideas that might be good. One is exploring this Lord of Benevolence that might be an interesting antagonist. A creature that whats to purge the world of darkness but could potential destroy the world because darkness is an element of the world that everything comes from.
And the other is Lynette meeting the angels and discovers they are just as human as she is.
Somebody replayed unity's game ._. I are jealous.
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I know. I just wanted to add a little addendum because while replaying it a second time, not only did I feel Lynette was a jerk to everyone for no reason but the story was a jerk to her for no reason.

Though for the sequel I only have two ideas that might be good. One is exploring this Lord of Benevolence that might be an interesting antagonist. A creature that whats to purge the world of darkness but could potential destroy the world because darkness is an element of the world that everything comes from.
And the other is Lynette meeting the angels and discovers they are just as human as she is.


I'm super honored that you replayed it! I'll work harder on making better stories that don't leave important characters left out!

As for your suggestions, one of them dovetails nicely into an idea we have for the spin-off game, so I may use it, but I can't promise anything ^_^
I'm super honored that you replayed it! I'll work harder on making better stories that don't leave important characters left out!

As for your suggestions, one of them dovetails nicely into an idea we have for the spin-off game, so I may use it, but I can't promise anything ^_^

You're welcome. I wanted to give it another try and see how everything fits together and try it on normal so I can give it a proper review. Beware that I won't hold my punches for any problems I have.

And I don't mind if you don't use my ideas. I just wanted to throw an idea that could help. Mainly cause Darkness not being evil and Light not being good has been a concept I have been fascinated with lately and Lynette, being the Darkness hating "Light" warrior that she is, might be an interesting enough character to explore that concept with.

And what those dovetails mean?
unity
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I'm super honored that you replayed it! I'll work harder on making better stories that don't leave important characters left out!

As for your suggestions, one of them dovetails nicely into an idea we have for the spin-off game, so I may use it, but I can't promise anything ^_^
You're welcome. I wanted to give it another try and see how everything fits together and try it on normal so I can give it a proper review. Beware that I won't hold my punches for any problems I have.

And I don't mind if you don't use my ideas. I just wanted to throw an idea that could help. Mainly cause Darkness not being evil and Light not being good has been a concept I have been fascinated with lately and Lynette, being the Darkness hating "Light" warrior that she is, might be an interesting enough character to explore that concept with.

And what those dovetails mean?


Don't worry about holding punches. I want your honest opinion. I do indeed feel like there are a lot of ways the game could have been better, and I want to improve how I make games and make better ones in the future ^_^

Dovetails means fits together nicely. So one of your ideas fits well thematically to what we're working on :D
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