CrazeTex 7:34 pm
(7:34:58 PM):     I just muddled with hit%.
(7:35:09 PM):     Instead of being entirely acc v. eva
(7:35:40 PM):     it is now 30 + (n * acc / eva)
(7:35:48 PM):     where n is the hit rate for the skill (10 is normal)
(7:35:49 PM):     err
(7:35:57 PM):     30 + 7(n * acc / eva)
(7:36:34 PM):     This isn't drastic
sasosonwa 7:36 pm
(7:36:38 PM):     so
CrazeTex 7:36 pm
(7:36:46 PM):     but it means that hit changes won't get down to like 30%.
sasosonwa 7:36 pm
(7:36:46 PM):     if acc = 10 and eva = 10
(7:36:52 PM):     and n is 10
CrazeTex 7:36 pm
(7:36:53 PM):     100% hit chance.
sasosonwa 7:36 pm
(7:36:57 PM):     k
sasosonwa 7:37 pm
(7:37:02 PM):     figured.
CrazeTex 7:37 pm
(7:37:14 PM):     Usually I have base hit rate be 90 or 95%
(7:37:15 PM):     but
(7:37:32 PM):     since stat fluctuation has a wide range in this game
(7:37:38 PM):     I figured that I'd be nice.
sasosonwa 7:37 pm
(7:37:45 PM):     won't that destroy skills like illusion though ? :P
CrazeTex 7:37 pm
(7:37:53 PM):     ...?
(7:37:54 PM):     Oh
(7:37:55 PM):     no
(7:38:04 PM):     it's not a huge impact.
(7:38:14 PM):     Okay, unimproved Illusion
(7:38:20 PM):     increases EVA by 170%.
sasosonwa 7:38 pm
(7:38:21 PM):     haha
(7:38:39 PM):     there are still no EVA tokens
CrazeTex 7:38 pm
(7:38:39 PM):     Before, assuming acc and eva are 10
sasosonwa 7:38 pm
(7:38:44 PM):     that chesha can't get.
(7:38:54 PM):     I'm not sure what to do about that =p
CrazeTex 7:39 pm
(7:39:20 PM):     THERE IT IS
(7:39:33 PM):     /me lost his graphing calculator for a second.
sasosonwa 7:39 pm
(7:39:35 PM):     well I guess there is haste.
(7:39:42 PM):     oh yeah nvm
(7:39:43 PM):     =p
(7:40:37 PM):     Illusion wasn't going to be extraordinarily effective without support anyway.
CrazeTex 7:40 pm
(7:40:41 PM):     Hmm.
(7:40:57 PM):     Before it lowered hit rate to 58%
(7:41:03 PM):     now it's up to 71%
sasosonwa 7:41 pm
(7:41:08 PM):     err
CrazeTex 7:41 pm
(7:41:09 PM):     (against Arian, that is)
sasosonwa 7:41 pm
(7:41:34 PM):     let's assume the enemy's ACC is a little worse than Arian's EVA
(7:41:41 PM):     and that he has three EVA tokens.
CrazeTex 7:42 pm
(7:42:09 PM):     AND Illusion?
sasosonwa 7:42 pm
(7:42:14 PM):     yes
(7:42:28 PM):     with improved
(7:42:30 PM):     illusion too
CrazeTex 7:43 pm
(7:43:31 PM):     With acc 8
CrazeTex 7:43 pm
(7:43:34 PM):     36%.
sasosonwa 7:43 pm
(7:43:50 PM):     hmm
(7:43:57 PM):     that is a lot of effort for that too.
CrazeTex 7:43 pm
(7:43:59 PM):     Err no
(7:44:00 PM):     with's 
(7:44:04 PM):     *that's with
(7:44:07 PM):     normal Illusion!
sasosonwa 7:44 pm
(7:44:16 PM):     try improved too!
CrazeTex 7:44 pm
(7:44:21 PM):     hahahahahhaaha
(7:44:33 PM):     35%
(7:44:36 PM):     the EVA+ tokens
(7:44:39 PM):     greatly outweigh
sasosonwa 7:44 pm
(7:44:45 PM):     =p...
CrazeTex 7:44 pm
(7:44:47 PM):     the Imp. Boost.
(7:44:58 PM):     (it's x1.75^3
(7:45:00 PM):     which is massive)
sasosonwa 7:45 pm
(7:45:07 PM):     I believe I just found a busted skill =p
CrazeTex 7:45 pm
(7:45:38 PM):     Hm. Maybe I should buff Imp. Illusion
(7:45:42 PM):     without any tokens
(7:45:47 PM):     and acc10/eva10
(7:46:09 PM):     It's 71 v. 63
sasosonwa 7:46 pm
(7:46:12 PM):     the upgraded effects for skills tend to be very significant.
CrazeTex 7:46 pm
(7:46:24 PM):     Let's try...
sasosonwa 7:46 pm
(7:46:33 PM):     Prevention goes from a CD:2 normal skill to a CD:1 instant.
CrazeTex 7:46 pm
(7:46:47 PM):     71 v. 58
(7:46:54 PM):     Howz u likez dat?
CrazeTex 7:47 pm
(7:47:38 PM):     oh and
(7:47:40 PM):     Arian has
sasosonwa 7:47 pm
(7:47:48 PM):     what would that be with all tokens and such applied?
CrazeTex 7:47 pm
(7:47:49 PM):     B-level EVA!
(7:47:53 PM):     No, no tokens.
(7:47:58 PM):     Just Illusion v. Imp. Illusion.
sasosonwa 7:48 pm
(7:48:08 PM):     I'm asking what the max potential is =)
(7:48:16 PM):     What's hilarious is
CrazeTex 7:48 pm
(7:48:17 PM):     Well I'm not atm!
sasosonwa 7:48 pm
(7:48:27 PM):     if you have Chesha and Rucian
(7:48:36 PM):     (Rucian has a one turn high eva instant)
CrazeTex 7:49 pm
(7:49:23 PM):     Illusion with Arian's actual stats (10 v. 12)
(7:49:34 PM):     Is 64%, no tokens
CrazeTex 7:49 pm
(7:49:58 PM):     With the newly buffed Imp. Illusion
(7:50:11 PM):     53%, no tokens
(7:50:54 PM):     (the problem is math; each +1 you add to the dividend, the less effective each +1 gets)
(7:51:07 PM):     (so Arian's B-level EVA actually hurts Illusion. XD )
sasosonwa 7:51 pm
(7:51:15 PM):     lol...
(7:51:20 PM):     bork math
CrazeTex 7:51 pm
(7:51:22 PM):     (even though it's still better than if he had C-level, of course)
sasosonwa 7:51 pm
(7:51:37 PM):     right that's fine though
(7:51:42 PM):     that's just diminishing returns.
CrazeTex 7:51 pm
(7:51:45 PM):     Right.
(7:51:47 PM):     But!!!!!
CrazeTex 7:52 pm
(7:52:00 PM):     With three EVA+ tokens
(7:52:07 PM):     24%.
(7:52:10 PM):     *****34%.
sasosonwa 7:52 pm
(7:52:16 PM):     ...?
CrazeTex 7:52 pm
(7:52:16 PM):     THIRTY-FOUR PER CENT
sasosonwa 7:52 pm
(7:52:21 PM):     34...
(7:52:26 PM):     That's pretty weak man.
CrazeTex 7:52 pm
(7:52:35 PM):     ???
sasosonwa 7:52 pm
(7:52:43 PM):     34% as opposed to 36%
CrazeTex 7:53 pm
(7:53:08 PM):     The diminishing returns are ridiculous.
sasosonwa 7:53 pm
(7:53:16 PM):     Tone them down. =p
CrazeTex 7:53 pm
(7:53:22 PM):     I cannot!
sasosonwa 7:53 pm
(7:53:25 PM):     ...
CrazeTex 7:53 pm
(7:53:29 PM):     I would have to recreate the universe. :<
sasosonwa 7:53 pm
(7:53:36 PM):     well that sucks.
(7:53:37 PM):     =p
CrazeTex 7:53 pm
(7:53:44 PM):     Anyway, you are forgetting factors. =D
(7:53:53 PM):     (also, the jump from two tokens to three tokens
CrazeTex 7:54 pm
(7:54:10 PM):     ...is 34 to 37%
sasosonwa 7:54 pm
(7:54:16 PM):     pffffft
CrazeTex 7:54 pm
(7:54:21 PM):     one token is 43%
(7:54:30 PM):     I can't rewrite the laws of MATH, Karsuman!
(7:54:33 PM):     ALSO
(7:54:35 PM):     ALSOALSOALSO
(7:54:37 PM):     this is ONLY
(7:54:38 PM):     with
sasosonwa 7:54 pm
(7:54:39 PM):     THE LAWS OF MATH SUCK
CrazeTex 7:54 pm
(7:54:40 PM):     Illusion
(7:54:47 PM):     because of the massive boost it provides already.
(7:55:03 PM):     With a normal 10v10 character that doesn't have access to such skills
sasosonwa 7:55 pm
(7:55:05 PM):     there are other skills that exist that provide big EVA boons
(7:55:09 PM):     Like Just Hand.
(7:55:19 PM):     (special ones, not token based =p)
(7:55:53 PM):     /me personally would like it if they could at least get it into the 20s. ;_;
CrazeTex 7:56 pm
(7:56:12 PM):     With a normal 10v10 character
(7:56:15 PM):     one token is 70%
(7:56:21 PM):     two is 52%
(7:56:28 PM):     three is 43%.
sasosonwa 7:57 pm
(7:57:10 PM):     there's a difference.
(7:57:29 PM):     ....hmm
(7:57:35 PM):     the laws of math suck. :P
CrazeTex 7:58 pm
(7:58:28 PM):     With imp. ill, 3 eva+, 3 acc-
(7:58:32 PM):     31%
(7:58:37 PM):     with Just Hand applied
(7:58:57 PM):     that percent
(7:58:59 PM):     decreases
(7:59:06 PM):     by .4
(7:59:08 PM):     XD
(7:59:12 PM):     (NOTE THAT
(7:59:19 PM):     on a plain 10v10 character
(7:59:32 PM):     wait
sasosonwa 7:59 pm
(7:59:33 PM):     okay
CrazeTex 7:59 pm
(7:59:43 PM):     waitiiasnfklasdnfklsdankflnsakltnlaskdntklsadntlksadntlnastlnsayfdonsalynasoynojsarynjasryuosaryjlsanylasnyolsadfnylsakjfynhlsadnyflksdanylksdnysdjflnyjsadfyjlasndyosadnfyjlnsdayjlsdnbjlnbjaldsynbasldynbsjbnsayjlbysaljsadjlsdajlybjlsaydblksydbnklysdnbdklsbyklbdsyklabskdlbsylkbasklaljfaybjlfaybjlfdhybkjhbjkafdhbjkfdahb
(7:59:55 PM):     I've been DOING IT WRONG
(7:59:57 PM):     in my calculations
sasosonwa 7:59 pm
(7:59:59 PM):     ASSUME THAT IT IS CHESHA WITH ALL OF THESE MODS APPLIED (A-level....
CrazeTex 8:00 pm
(8:00:01 PM):     I have EVA+ tokens
sasosonwa 8:00 pm
(8:00:04 PM):     f - fuck you
(8:00:07 PM):     :P
CrazeTex 8:00 pm
(8:00:14 PM):     as 175% EVA eac
(8:00:15 PM):     whereas
(8:00:18 PM):     in the game
(8:00:19 PM):     they are
(8:00:22 PM):     (as with all tokens)
(8:00:27 PM):     125%
CrazeTex 8:00 pm
(8:00:33 PM):     nsadklfnasdflksadnfklansdfklnasdgklnsafklhgnafsljkhnblafhljafdhbjlafdhjlafdhbhbldjfahbljafdhbljdafhblfdhblfjdahbljfdahbljafdhblfdjahbjflhbljfdhbfaldjhbdalfjhbajfdlhba
sasosonwa 8:00 pm
(8:00:40 PM):     XD
CrazeTex 8:00 pm
(8:00:40 PM):     OKAY
(8:00:43 PM):     LET US TRY THIS
(8:00:44 PM):     AGAIN
(8:00:45 PM):     MOTHERFUCKER
sasosonwa 8:00 pm
(8:00:53 PM):     you suck at maths
CrazeTex 8:01 pm
(8:01:10 PM):     I suck at typing "2" instead of "7."
(8:01:29 PM):     (I was thinking of stat- tokens, which set a stat to 75%)
sasosonwa 8:01 pm
(8:01:29 PM):     so what do they really do fag? :<
CrazeTex 8:02 pm
(8:02:16 PM):     OKAY
(8:02:21 PM):     On a normal 10v10 character
(8:02:27 PM):     1 token: 86%
CrazeTex 8:02 pm
(8:02:35 PM):     2 tokens: 74%
(8:02:44 PM):     3 tokens: 65%
sasosonwa 8:03 pm
(8:03:15 PM):     do em all then I will comment =p
CrazeTex 8:03 pm
(8:03:39 PM):     with ARIAN with IMP. ILLUSION and 1 TOKEN
(8:03:46 PM):     46%
(8:04:02 PM):     with no tokens 
(8:04:04 PM):     53%
(8:04:15 PM):     2 tokens, 44% (lulz)
(8:04:23 PM):     with 3, 41%
(8:04:24 PM):     XD
CrazeTex 8:04 pm
(8:04:42 PM):     Err, with 1 token, 48%, not 46%
(8:05:23 PM):     What else would you like to know?
sasosonwa 8:05 pm
(8:05:33 PM):     this is pretty terrible
(8:05:43 PM):     consider this
(8:05:53 PM):     the player would need to cast haste three times
(8:06:08 PM):     to get a 65% evasion rate on a character
CrazeTex 8:06 pm
(8:06:10 PM):     If I 
(8:06:19 PM):     if I take out my muddling
(8:06:27 PM):     so that it's just acc/eva
(8:06:31 PM):     plain ol' acc/eva
(8:06:41 PM):     and Arian with imp. ill and 3 eva+ tokens
CrazeTex 8:06 pm
(8:06:45 PM):     it's 26%.
(8:06:58 PM):     I WAS JUST TRYING TO PRE-EMPT EXIT FATEITIS
(8:07:05 PM):     DON'T KILL ME
(8:07:07 PM):     I WILL TAKE IT OUT
sasosonwa 8:07 pm
(8:07:08 PM):     Haha
(8:07:18 PM):     It is just really weakening EVA/ACC
(8:07:27 PM):     It makes several skills pretty lame.
CrazeTex 8:07 pm
(8:07:47 PM):     Yeah, now with three eva+ tokens on a normal 10v10 character
(8:07:55 PM):     it's basically 50% hit rate.
(8:08:15 PM):     A single acc- token on the enemy
(8:08:20 PM):     brings this down to ~35%
(8:08:24 PM):     ARE YOU SATISFIED
sasosonwa 8:08 pm
(8:08:29 PM):     yes.
CrazeTex 8:08 pm
(8:08:29 PM):     I WILL REMOVE MY BONUS 30
(8:08:36 PM):     also
(8:08:38 PM):     it is a good thing
sasosonwa 8:08 pm
(8:08:41 PM):     There's a reason Haste and Trueblade exist.
CrazeTex 8:08 pm
(8:08:42 PM):     that I told you about this.
sasosonwa 8:08 pm
(8:08:50 PM):     Haha.
CrazeTex 8:08 pm
(8:08:54 PM):     I thought I was being so smart. ;_;
sasosonwa 8:09 pm
(8:09:06 PM):     /me rips everything apart.
CrazeTex 8:09 pm
(8:09:13 PM):     GO DRAW, FIEND
sasosonwa 8:09 pm
(8:09:23 PM):     I should do so
(8:09:25 PM):     when I get home.
CrazeTex 8:09 pm
(8:09:35 PM):     We, uh
(8:09:41 PM):     we just talking about EVASION RATES
(8:09:44 PM):     for half an hour
(8:09:47 PM):     Karsuman.
(8:09:56 PM):     Like, 32 minutes.
(8:09:56 PM):     XD
sasosonwa 8:10 pm
(8:10:00 PM):     Log it
(8:10:05 PM):     and post it somewhere
CrazeTex 8:10 pm
(8:10:05 PM):     For posterity?
sasosonwa 8:10 pm
(8:10:08 PM):     lol
CrazeTex 8:10 pm
(8:10:09 PM):     Okay.
sasosonwa 8:10 pm
(8:10:40 PM):     IT IS THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPERS THAT ACTUALLY CARE about game balance.
sasosonwa 8:11 pm
(8:11:01 PM):     also Exit Fate had characters with 5% hit rates.
(8:11:17 PM):     I can deal with 50%
(8:11:18 PM):     =p