BROKENH'S PROFILE

Due to situations beyond his control, Ben has more idle time than he should have! "Hands" are the devil's playground and as such Ben is often drawing or diddling around in RPG-maker VX Ace to give his life a semblance of actual meaning.

A social introvert, Ben is NOT a social butterfly! However, he still desires to create forms of expression which incite genuine emotions, raucous laughter, and occasional deep thoughts. (Though often enough he misses that mark and ends up offending everyone instead!)

Gutter-Delve: The Closet...
Dark fantasy horror rpg with just a dash of cheesy camp and sexual innuendo!

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author=mawk
*sheathe;s nodachi and grins....*


Bringing a nodachi to a text fight? You dirty ronin!

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author=SnowOwl
The comments and images on this game bring me great amusement. Keep it up!

If only to play the fool and make you laugh my job is done! (Jester bells jingle as I bow curtly)

Divinity Fatum

author=GreyInvidia
Well, full version won't come out too soon as new family issues - if I can call it like that - shall arise soon, which will most probably absorb my time for few years even...


I can be patient. As they say, good things are worth waiting for! No pressure. Do what you can when you can.

X-Noir

Just wanted to say congratulations on your kick-starter! (Albeit being fashionably late) X-Noir looks interesting,btw. I can especially relate to the main character. (Been diagnosed with bipolar disorder myself)

Divinity Fatum

I want to download this when it's at 100%. I saw a walkthrough of the demo and was very intrigued. This game brings up many deep issues about isolation,how people treat each other,social facades, and personal perception.

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author=alterego
If we're going to be trying to blame videogames for how they create violence, they can be equally called out for misrepresenting females...
That's exactly why we should NOT stand for any of that. You should know how ludicrous the claims that videogames cause violence are. So why extend that to every social ill that people can come up with? Like it or not, in the grand scheme of things there's a place for everything* and some games will remain "just games" forever. We can't afford to give up certain subjects just because someone somewhere may be dumb enough to act on them... If that were the standard, none of us would be here.

Rather than blame content creators over a simple correlation, we should demand laws be more effective and punish actual criminals.


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author=alterego
If we're going to be trying to blame videogames for how they create violence, they can be equally called out for misrepresenting females...
That's exactly why we should NOT stand for any of that. You should know how ludicrous the claims that videogames cause violence are. So why extend that to every social ill that people can come up with? Like it or not, in the grand scheme of things there's a place for everything* and some games will remain "just games" forever. We can't afford to give up certain subjects just because someone somewhere may be dumb enough to act on them... If that were the standard, none of us would be here.

Rather than blame content creators over a simple correlation, we should demand laws be more effective and punish actual criminals.


I agree with this 100%. You don't have to love my work. But it does have the right to exist. For the record,my game has a positive message beneath the dark grimy floorboards.

As such,I'd feel terrible if someone misinterpreted that message and hurt themselves or someone else because my game triggered them at that moment. However, should I be held accountable for what they did with their own two hands?

John Lennon was supposedly killed by a man who enjoyed reading The Catcher in the rye but I don't think the author of that book should go to jail for it. (This coming from someone who grew up adoring Lennon.)

Gutter-Delve: The Closet Cases

Eagles, I want you to know your maturity took a mean jab when you said my female protagonists were promoted as sluts.

Do tell me, what makes them “sluts”??

1. They’re dressed provocatively in a revealing manner.

2. Something in the pictures implies they like sex.

So, if a female dresses revealingly and “likes sex” she’s a slut? (And the way you use the word, I'm hypothesizing the negative connotation of "slut" is what you are insinuating here.) I’m glad my female characters are not real because if they were you’d be guilty of slut shaming. Feminists and PC types frown on that you know. Heck,even I find it kind of "distasteful" but not so much I'm going to cry and lose sleep.

Point being? you haven't played the rpg so you can't really know the characters beyond their looks. I find "appearance" isn't always an accurate "window into the soul" in the first place. Reserved looking girls can actually be very passionate and outgoing looking girls often have their legs shut more firmly than a bear trap. No matter what you believe, there are exceptions to the rule.

I know I broke my oath to not to reply again but I found your wording of the situation to be worthy of some sort of alternative viewpoint.

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author=EvilEagles
The portrayal of the female characters in your game is making them borderline sluts. There are ways to portray an RPG character's characteristics and personality. As of now, I doubt if they're coming off as what you wanted. If your justification for this is that they're all slutty whores, then yeah, fair enough. Because that's what the portrayal of them is screaming about.

author=BrokenH
If you peeps want to talk about the game I'm okay with that. But I'm not going to debate these unrelated issues anymore. I've seen enough games getting bagged on for their art styles and portrayal of genders to be tired of the whole issue.


This is relevant because, no offense, but at this rate it's turning into a third class porn game rather than an RPG. Are you sure that's what you want? For me, I don't. I'm here for games, not for porn.


We can agree to disagree. This is my last post on this matter.

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author=SorceressKyrsty
Have I not stated that sexualization is fine? Fanservice is fine, too. In moderation, otherwise it comes across as unappealing and off-putting. None of these characters reflect their personalities, they reflect what you find attractive. If you were making this game entirely for yourself that's fine, but you're sharing it and that puts it in the limelight for public critique. And it's not attractive, for the record.

And are you kidding me? You do realize the entire reason this debate exists is because games solely appealed to the male gaze for a very, very long time? A number of the examples you listed such as Raiden cartwheeling were done by the Japanese, who despite their love of hentai and tentacles do seem to have a more balanced scope in regards to women and men being sexualized. Western games, though?

I didn't have friends until I was around 16 years old because I loved videogames, and it was socially unacceptable. I didn't find people I could talk to videogames about until I was 18 because I am doing a University course specifically designed around games. I didn't get to geek out and enjoy videogames without the whole underlying debate over sexism and the male gaze BECAUSE I AM FEMALE. I had no peers who enjoyed the same things I did, so your 'missing of the old days' is your view. This debate and topic exists because exactly half of the world's population, until very recently, was completely excluded from games culture.

I am not a part of your geek subculture, or I wasn't until the last five years. And most women weren't. We were pushed into a tiny 'niche' group with pink swirly games and Barbie Horse Riding. The debate exists because women want to be included in that culture of videogames without feeling objectified or being submitted to harrassment. MEN ARE OBJECTIFIED, YES. But in NO WHERE NEAR the same degree as women are, and ALMOST NEVER as badly. A man with their shirt off is not the same as a woman with nothing on besides a vagina cup and an impossible shirt covering her nipples.

Female enjoyment culture like yaoi exists and IT SHOULD because women should be able to enjoy that sort of thing too. It was ok for gamer magazines to write about how they thought yuri between Lightning and Serah was hot, in an official publication, but imagine the freaking uproar that would happen if the same thing happened with the genders reversed ten years ago. THAT IS WHERE THE ARGUMENT IS. It's about sexualization in equal doses, on an equal ground, rather than it solely being women and one or two men.

I am not saying you shouldn't sexualize your characters, or censor everything and I have been saying that from my very first post. I am saying that it can be done tastefully, in an appealing manner, that fits the characters and context of the game. Hell, I read your character profiles and only one even slightly fits into the guise of someone who's sexually aware. You can have your short skirts and low cut tops and what have you but tastefully is the issue here. Your designs have no taste. They are obnoxious, not sexy.


And for the record, my avatar clearly states that I pair Cloud with Squall.


Say what you want,Krys. I'm done. I'm sure you have good points but defending your smut while saying I'm doing mine wrong comes off as misguided and one-sided to me. Maybe after I cool off I'll be able to view all this more objectively.

For the record,many of the concept arts I put up are a few years old. I just didn't have the time to crank them out quickly. Sometimes I'd draw a character one year and not get around to coloring that character until the next year. In that time the writing for the characters matured beyond the initial drawings for them. Aka, a person's "art style" can be drastically different from his or her "writing style". Not everything is uniform and perfectly aligned.

If you peeps want to talk about the game I'm okay with that. But I'm not going to debate these unrelated issues anymore. I've seen enough games getting bagged on for their art styles and portrayal of genders to be tired of the whole issue.

Beyond that, I get the feeling no matter what I say you're going to insist I'm wrong. I might not be right about that but when you come onto someone's game page being pushy and accusatory over some concept art well, how am I suppose to interpret that?

Again,you don't have to like my art anymore than I would like your kinks of choice. And for the record,all my characters "do" have sexual sides to them. I created them so I would know.


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author=Melkino
wow, that's a lot of
attempting to justify wonky-looking fap material

Seriously, the anatomy is pretty poor and just...not sexy. (unless broken spines are your kink or something...) Have you looked at reference photos of people doing various poses? There's only so much you can see at one time. Yes, men and women have different body structures, however, neither sex can break their spine to do those impossible poses. At the very least, reference photos may reduce the "skeevy nerd" vibe that's coming off of every single drawing of the female characters.

But if having a basic grasp of human anatomy is somehow the equivalent of being "politically correct" to you, well...

I'm kind of tempted to throw "white-knight" your way but that's no better than making accusations that someone who draws a certain way is misogynistic. As such, I'll let your opinion stand as valid criticism. We really need to start respecting people on all sides and stop labeling them. Let me extend the olive branch by not flinging around the "white-knight" stereotype.

Honestly, I grew up on capcom fighters and comic books. The truth is you're right. I wouldn't call everything I liked from that era "anatomically correct" "morally upstanding" or "philosophically stimulating". I simply enjoyed those things without letting any social/political agendas ruin my fun.

Is what I do just fap material? Maybe. (Obivously that's the case based upon your subjective point of view) But even if it is, what is wrong with that? Instead of going out with a camcorder and asking real women to get into exploitative poses for me I'm drawing imaginary ones. You can see that as "pathetic" or "loser-ish" but I see it as having at least a shred of integrity. Like or hate my art, no "real people" were hurt or objectified to create it.

Lastly I'm sorry, but it's difficult for me to take "offended people on the internet" seriously anymore. Hideo Kojima himself was called misogynistic for his female sniper design and the sorceresses in Dragon's crown was a "raging controversy" even though the male characters were just as disproportionate and exaggerated as she was.

If you don't like my work you don't have to support it. Need I say more? Are you even here to discuss my game? That's the BIG REASON to be here after all.

PS: Yes,words! They get across viewpoints! Literacy is good! As I recall, my opposition used a lot of "words" too!
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