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Which means I would have to go back into editing the game and essentially remake every map just to fit someone else's highly shallow standards. No thanks jokers!

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Ratty524
The 524 is for 524 Stone Crabs
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Butthurt, much? I think you are taking this way too personally. Also, typically your maps have to be REEEAAALLY bad to get denied, so why don't you give us a second look?
Uhm. Your attitude doesn't help your case one bit. Lots of games get rejected at first. If you take that this personally, I can't imagine how you would handle it when somebody actually played your game and gave you an honest review. Everybody has aspects of their game making that could use improvement. It would be wiser for you to ask for advice rather than put down the opinions of others because you're upset.
slash
APATHY IS FOR COWARDS
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Only some kind of WEASEL would do such a thing!!

also classy username, 10/10 for originality
unity
You're magical to me.
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Weasels denied my game! Rzzzzz!

You don't actually have to remake all your maps, right? You just have to give a few screnshots of examples of maps that have at least some effort put into them. At least make an attempt to do three maps before complaining. There are tons of tutorials with tips on this.
author=unity
Weasels denied my game! Rzzzzz!

You don't actually have to remake all your maps, right? You just have to give a few screenshots of examples of maps that have at least some effort put into them. At least make an attempt to do three maps before complaining. There are tons of tutorials with tips on this.
One of which I always link to when denying a game for mapping as well as the screenshot thread so that people may garner some critique on how to better their maps.

Of course, you're more than welcome to make use of either at your own pace. When you created an account on RMN you saw the rules. They are part of the form when being filled in and you are told straight-out that we have the right to deny any submission -on any grounds- if we so desire. Yours is not he first whose maps were deemed under site standards, but you are the first to take to the status feed instead of actually going back and doing some work on the project in question.

Tell you what, if you can find three games with worse or equal mapping one RMN and five people to say aye to letting your maps through (they must be in the screenshot thread) then I'll take another look at the game in general. Hell, include a download link in your description and I'll even play it and send you something of developers notes (it will have to wait until after the judging for the Indie contest, but I will do it. I'll even Let's Try it if you want, instead, for better real-time reactions/notes).
What a surprise, these two statuses are the only thing you've ever (successfully) put on the site.

You have no idea who you're even talking about.
author=unity
Weasels denied my game! Rzzzzz!

You don't actually have to remake all your maps, right? You just have to give a few screnshots of examples of maps that have at least some effort put into them. At least make an attempt to do three maps before complaining. There are tons of tutorials with tips on this.


Is that a Frank Zappa reference I sense? Weasels Ripped My Flesh! Rzzzzzz! Does that ring a bell? Not that your comment was much of a zing mind you, but if that was an intentional reference...

Anyway, I know that my pictures were not the best selections I could've made. I was rather hasty to get my game posted here. There are better maps later on (the particular improvement being more detail), but then again I was not expecting this site to be full of jerks who deny anyone the chance to share a game they put effort into making for other people if it doesn't look good enough at face value. I know my maps aren't the best looking in the world and sure there is room for improvement. I'm still a beginner with the program, knowledge on it is pretty rudimentary and I'm only learning the facts as I rope along. Do you NOT understand though, that it is very upsetting and discouraging for someone to work to make a game they've wanted to make on something for a long time and attempt to share it with people, only to be denied that very basic privilege because of the face value and not even have their game be given a good runaround before a critique is formed? I would've preferred the game to be given a good runaround before you all pound into my head how unplayable or bad-looking it is... at least those critiques would be actually grounded.
author=Pizza
What a surprise, these two statuses are the only thing you've ever (successfully) put on the site.

You have no idea who you're even talking about.


I only joined this site a day or two ago, obviously my page is not going to be chock full of content yet.

Yeah I didn't know who I was talking about because the Notices failed to inform me of that. Excuuuuuuuuse me. He appears to have commented on this though. Glad it's not you at least...
author=Liberty
author=unity
Weasels denied my game! Rzzzzz!

You don't actually have to remake all your maps, right? You just have to give a few screenshots of examples of maps that have at least some effort put into them. At least make an attempt to do three maps before complaining. There are tons of tutorials with tips on this.
One of which I always link to when denying a game for mapping as well as the screenshot thread so that people may garner some critique on how to better their maps.

Of course, you're more than welcome to make use of either at your own pace. When you created an account on RMN you saw the rules. They are part of the form when being filled in and you are told straight-out that we have the right to deny any submission -on any grounds- if we so desire. Yours is not he first whose maps were deemed under site standards, but you are the first to take to the status feed instead of actually going back and doing some work on the project in question.

Tell you what, if you can find three games with worse or equal mapping one RMN and five people to say aye to letting your maps through (they must be in the screenshot thread) then I'll take another look at the game in general. Hell, include a download link in your description and I'll even play it and send you something of developers notes (it will have to wait until after the judging for the Indie contest, but I will do it. I'll even Let's Try it if you want, instead, for better real-time reactions/notes).


First for everything, isn't there? Sorry my initial reaction happened to be disappointment and bitterness instead of kissing ass. I'd be fine with letting you personally take a look at my game and give your personal insight to me since you seem to be one of the elite on the site and you seemed to be asking in a civilized manner... but you won't do that unless it looks good enough huh? I guess I can't get any fairness here... :(
Ratty524
The 524 is for 524 Stone Crabs
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As I said before, RMN has a minimal standard for quality control. We aren't trying to single you out, nor make this site cater to the "elite," you do know your problem isn't unique, right? It's that that we, both as developers and gamers, want content that at least shows some effort put into them, and look, face-value is pretty much everything. If your game doesn't look like it's good, than who else is going to bother?

Also, getting your submission denied isn't the end all. Liberty in particular, being a staff on this site, volunteered to help you out in improving your submission, and you are responding to her callously. Ditch the shitty attitude, we're here to help you.
author=Graham_Ir_Naughtsea
but then again I was not expecting this site to be full of jerks who deny anyone the chance to share a game they put effort into making for other people if it doesn't look good enough at face value.

This site is host to thousands of downloads. If they took any game without further checking, the server would be running hot and steamy. And that costs.
It also ensures that people can confidently expect games that have a certain standard.

There is no harm in feeling disappointed, or even angry. But feeling angry and insulting people are two entirely different things - and the latter does not speak in favour of you at all.
Nobody means to discredit the effort you put it, but that doesn't mean that the results are completely ready yet. I'm sure people here would play and help improve it without an existent open gamepage.
author=Strangeluv


This site is not a game dump. Sorry.

There're almost 3k games on this site, and it's already a tedious process finding decent games here that you can play without having an eyebleed. You're not the only one to put effort in your own games. We all do. But it's all not as much about the amount of effort you make as it is about the way you do it. It's better to make 5 beautiful maps than 500 ugly ones.
Umm, If I may...

I joined six days ago, and uploaded my game successfully a day after I submitted it. If you'd look at it, You'll see that it's far from unique/special/epic and etc. They don't judge by mere aesthetics, you know. Instead, they judge via quality. Quality, as in: 'The players aren't going to think your game's nothing but a waste of time' quality. This, clearly, is to ensure that the site does not get filled up by poor works. And unless you stop for a minute, calm down, and get back to working, practicing, and improving, nothing's going to change.

Please, pause and reflect. No one here is deliberately trying to burn you to the ground. Don't give them a reason to do so.

Good luck with your game ;)

EDIT: Hahaha... just realised what your name meant. Clever.

author=Graham_Ir_Naughtsea
author=Liberty
author=unity
Weasels denied my game! Rzzzzz!

You don't actually have to remake all your maps, right? You just have to give a few screenshots of examples of maps that have at least some effort put into them. At least make an attempt to do three maps before complaining. There are tons of tutorials with tips on this.
One of which I always link to when denying a game for mapping as well as the screenshot thread so that people may garner some critique on how to better their maps.

Of course, you're more than welcome to make use of either at your own pace. When you created an account on RMN you saw the rules. They are part of the form when being filled in and you are told straight-out that we have the right to deny any submission -on any grounds- if we so desire. Yours is not he first whose maps were deemed under site standards, but you are the first to take to the status feed instead of actually going back and doing some work on the project in question.

Tell you what, if you can find three games with worse or equal mapping one RMN and five people to say aye to letting your maps through (they must be in the screenshot thread) then I'll take another look at the game in general. Hell, include a download link in your description and I'll even play it and send you something of developers notes (it will have to wait until after the judging for the Indie contest, but I will do it. I'll even Let's Try it if you want, instead, for better real-time reactions/notes).
First for everything, isn't there? Sorry my initial reaction happened to be disappointment and bitterness instead of kissing ass. I'd be fine with letting you personally take a look at my game and give your personal insight to me since you seem to be one of the elite on the site and you seemed to be asking in a civilized manner... but you won't do that unless it looks good enough huh? I guess I can't get any fairness here... :(

You have the same fairness as everyone else who puts their game on the site. The exact same.
"Bad Content Ban Rule

Further to the above requirements, we will only approve content that we deem worthy. We reserve the right to reject your submitted content on the basis that it sucks. Only content that is believed to be of a certain level of quality will be approved by our moderation team at their discretion.

What does this mean for the average user? Well, nothing really. This is not meant to be a form of censorship and we're not going to actively looking for reasons to deny your content. The vast majority of our users here generate decent enough discussion and submit good enough work. However, it does mean we will refuse to be a dumping ground for spastic noob submissions.

What to do if your Game Submission is denied..."
This is the exact site standards quoted from here.

Now, as to your comment:
"Sorry my initial reaction happened to be disappointment and bitterness instead of kissing ass."
I don't want ass kissing and don't expect it. In fact, I prefer people don't go near my ass at all, honestly. :/ What I do expect is that everyone treat each other on this forum with respect, but still speak their mind and have their opinions. This does not mean that I am going to bow and scrape to each and every person who gets upset when their game doesn't pass the site standards and aren't willing to do the work that needs doing to meet our quite low standards.

"I'd be fine with letting you personally take a look at my game and give your personal insight to me since you seem to be one of the elite on the site and you seemed to be asking in a civilized manner... "

Frankly the fact I offered to play your game at all is more than I normally would offer. I am not required to play every game that comes through the queue unless I feel there's a reason to do so - suspected theft/pornography usually. It's up to you to make your game good and it's up to you to put in the effort to encourage people to play your game. In an effort to help creators draw people to their game pages we weed out the worst so that players don't have to suffer them but all we have to judge by is what you show us. We, the site, reserve the right to pull any submission at any time for any reason - you agreed to that when you signed up. It's part of the Policies of the site.

Now, for some reason you seem to think that once a game is denied it is forever denied. Not so. If it shows up with better maps in the queue then I will gladly let it through, but they will have to meet the standards of the site and currently that means mine, kentona or deckiller's standards.

That's the way it is with each and every game on any site you go to. I can assure you there are sites that require you to bend over backwards to get a thread on them, having your thread just-so before they'll let it pass. And that's just a thread.


"but you won't do that unless it looks good enough huh?"

I already laid out what the conditions were - get 5 people in the screenshot thread to aye your images and find 3 games of equal or less standard to your mapping - the three you showed on the game page - and I will gladly play your game, give you advice on how to make it better and Let's Try it... Frankly, I think it's a great offer. (Of course, it'd be more work sifting through thousands of game pages for images like those you showed than to actually put some modicum of effort into your mapping, but hey, what do I know?)


e:-
Also, being rude is silly. It doesn't help you in any way, and insulting people is definitely not the way to go if you want help/support. A lot of the people on this site have done the work required to put their games up, have gotten scathing reviews and just rolled up their sleeves and set about putting their game to rights in the aftermath. There's been a lot of effort from many people to make this site a success and a success it is.

Part of that success is the willingness of other developers to help each other out and give to the community - often and generously -, to give critique where it is needed and to push each other to do better with our games, to learn from each other and aim higher than before. We bicker at times, we poke at each other and annoy each other from time to time (some with sharper sticks than others :/ ) but that is because we're some weird kind of extended family who, ultimately, want the best for the site and our creations.

So if you're told your game isn't quite up to standards, don't take that as a mockery of your game.

Take it as the challenge to rise and meet the (admittedly low) standards, to get your game on the site and join a community where people will have grumpy words to say and being opinionated asses at times (we all know we can be at times ^.^ ) but will also look out for you in other ways - by offering critique to help you get better, by pushing you and offering you chances to excel if you so wish, to help you out when you have an issue in your creation and to clap you on the back after you finish a game and remind you how far you've come.

e2:- I'm female. Not that that matters but I don't identify as male.
unity
You're magical to me.
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author=Graham_Ir_Naughtsea
Is that a Frank Zappa reference I sense?


Yep! Though in this case you can blame kentona for making me think of it.

author=Graham_Ir_Naughtsea
Not that your comment was much of a zing mind you, but if that was an intentional reference...


It wasn't supposed to be a zing, silly ^_^

author=Graham_Ir_Naughtsea
Sorry my initial reaction happened to be disappointment and bitterness instead of kissing ass.


There's a huge area between "Kissing ass" and the reaction you gave. Please think about this: This site is mostly full of developers, people who have had to go through the same process of getting their gamepages approved that you are now.

Do you realize the message you are sending to all of them? You sound like this: "If my game does get accepted to RMN, don't play it. You shouldn't give it a try. Because if you do, and you have opinions or critiques, I won't listen. I will blame my game's problems on you. And if you like the game, you still won't want to talk to me about it because my first impression was that of an unpleasant person who thinks blaming others is the key to problem-solving."

Is that an unfair representation of who you are? Almost undoubtedly. But that's who you'll be remembered as if you decide to keep acting like this.

What's going to happen when your game has announcements of new releases? When you want beta testers? When you want advice or need script help? People are going to think "It's that jerk who threw a tantrum when his game was first denied. Why should I waste my time with that person's game?"

If you're really just here because all you want is praise and adoration, then fine. If that's true, then people would like to know so we don't waste time on your games. If you're a serious developer who wants to continue and improve, I'd like to know that as well. Because right now you are sending a clear message of being a spoiled person who doesn't want to do even the minimum level of improvements.
Posts like these are a goldmine for new taglines.

Also, two uber-butthurt users lashing out in a span of days. We must be doing something right.


Kind Regards,
kentona
Head Weasel of RMN
I rather liked these:
"This site is not a game dump. Sorry."
"Weasels denied my game! Rzzzzz!"


And if this doesn't make his title I don't know what will: "I guess I can't get any fairness here... :("
(Although it looks like Ratty took it. XD )
Is Graham_Ir_Naughtsea still here?
Would be a shame if he gave up already, especially with such a clever name...

In case you did, check here for alternatives to game making. Try making Potato Salad like the Kentona. He made a fortune by doing nothing, so why can't you?

EDIT: Oh no, what have I done? Please spare me Kentona. Don't smite me. :D
author=kentona
Posts like these are a goldmine for new taglines.


If you guys are going to go for more taglines, may I suggest "this" as well.

It literally changed my life.
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