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author=flowerthief
It's a good suggestion. I have some misgivings, one of which is that the status screen only has room to show two relations.

Maybe they could have two main, most important relations or something and then the rest could show up in the mental notes when the player learns about them? (Or we could create a whole separate relations popup similar to the mental notes, except that it's only for relations.) That probably wouldn't be a problem if some tweaking was done to the mental notes section. What might be kind of cool with the mental notes is if it has several different tabs, like one for only date spots, one only for liked or disliked stats, and one only for gifts (and only one for relations if we went this route), which would allow the player to keep more mental notes and have them be more organized.

Of course, you're the one who would have to implement this stuff, so it's up to you. (Also, if you do make these changes, it might be a good idea to create something where you can know a girl, but not have her show up on the stat screen so that relations between say, Aoi and Junko, could be shown. Just an idea.)

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author=Dozen
... You don't understand. That's not what I'm afraid of. I mean, sure, nobody wants that(except Schizoids. And Antisocials. And some Depressives okay there are a quite a few people), but I could live with it. Actually, I don't care for it all that much. It's somewhat preferable to not being liked, that's it. My priorities a pretty fucked up, I know. But I don't expect you to get the point. There are two people I know who understand(neither of which are my parents, to my dismay). I can't hang onto them all day, but at least I don't consider suicide so readily. That's something. I'd like more, a lot more. But it could be worse.

Though, well, three times a charm. It would be nice of you if you asked. If you're interested. Or any of you, for that matter. Or maybe you can decipher from Kyouki's route. A big maybe, but I have faith in it^^

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to assume that I knew exactly what you were talking about. That's actually kind of a big pet peeve of mine because even if someone has gone through one type of pain, that doesn't mean they understand the type of pain you've gone through, so I guess I shouldn't have phrased it the way I did. I hope you realize that I only said it because I care and not to somehow negate or in any way lessen or brush aside your own personal pain. I don't mean to be insensitive and I'm sorry if I came across that way. In any case, I just want to let you know that if you ever need to talk or if you wanted to explain things, I'd be happy to try and understand, whether here or in a more private setting. I don't always remember to check RPG maker though, so just don't be offended if I don't get back to you right away, okay? I promise it's not because I'm trying to avoid you or something!

I still haven't seen Kyouki's route. ;) If you still wanted me to look it over, I'd be more than happy to, though I can't promise I'd get it back to you as quickly as you might like. I have ADD (no H in there, I'm not very hyperactive) and I tend to get distracted easily. (Which is why I end up working on a bazillion projects.)

author=Dozen
author=Nekochi
Also, Dozen, I hope that Ryoko isn't the type of girl who is a bully all the time because I don't like the idea that Junko would have associated herself with someone she knew was a bully. But Junko is pretty oblivious, so you could still have her be a bully while friends with Junko, as long as she didn't actively bully anyone in front of Junko.
Not a bully, no. I'd bet she'd get offended by the notion, in fact. She's simply evil. I don't know if Junko minds that, but Ryoko can hide it very well, if needed.

Well, it's hard for me to say exactly what Junko would mind since I haven't seen the route, but I do think that Junko wouldn't actively support being mean to someone who she felt didn't deserve it (she has no qualms with saying harsh things to people she sees as jerks, though), though she might not try to stop it as her own inner world of herself and Aoi is more important to her than anything or anyone else. (I think, if you were able to get past her outer shell, Junko would be an incredibly loyal friend, who would put her friend's happiness above her own and once someone was her friend, she'd tolerate quite a bit of abuse before turning on someone. The exceptions to this are, of course, situations where she felt she had to push someone away, either because she feels like she's holding them back, or because retaining the friendship might have a negative effect on Aoi in some way, both of which can be seen in Junko's route, with the former applying to the ending and the latter applying to her relationship with Ryoko and all her other friends. That's not to say that she necessarily thought that Ryoko or any of the others would be a bad influence on Aoi, just that she thought having her own life would mean she couldn't always be there for Aoi when she needed to.) So, if you don't mind, I'd like to see Ryoko's route before it's released publicly, since how she is portrayed has an effect on how people might see Junko, since Junko used to be best friends with her. Of course, you don't have to let me see it, but I'd appreciate it.

By the way, I'm including some previews of the three girls I'm currently working on (collectively known as Academy Girls) in that LP that I linked earlier if anyone is curious. :)

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Don't worry, Dozen. I'm not really mad. Mental illness is just a sensitive subject for me because of my brother. He's older than me, but I often feel like I have to be the older sister, the one who looks out for him because his autism keeps him from getting social cues so he doesn't always understand when he's making people uncomfortable or when people are making fun of him. That's why I get a little oversensitive about it. Again, I didn't mean to offend. I really do like you, but I wanted to make clear that what might not seem offensive to you could be to someone else. No hard feelings. :)

I understand how it is to be afraid that no one likes you. I often feel that way myself. Just know that it isn't true. Every time you are tempted to think so, just remember us and that your mind is just playing a trick on you. You probably have other people who care about you too, if you really think about it.

I'll look at Yoko in just a little bit, triad, and try to actually get back to you on comments, which I failed to do for Maeda. .-.

Edit: Uh, dang it. There was one more line I forgot to edit out of that Junko event. Check it one more time, okay? Sorry about the inconvenience. Hopefully I didn't forget anything this time. X.x;;

Also, Dozen, I hope that Ryoko isn't the type of girl who is a bully all the time because I don't like the idea that Junko would have associated herself with someone she knew was a bully. But Junko is pretty oblivious, so you could still have her be a bully while friends with Junko, as long as she didn't actively bully anyone in front of Junko.

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author=triad2
thank you so much it's perfect

I just realized there was one line in there I forgot to delete, so check the updated version. :)

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Here's the edited Junko event. I changed a lot of the Junko lines to sound more like her. Also, I changed it so that she knew a bit about what she had to do before she agreed, since she wouldn't agree to do something without knowing what it was, even to increase her running time. Also, I fixed some punctuation and added one more Yoko line, so that Junko would at least try to deny the claims before asking Yoko how she knew.

STORY 11
CONDITION = 3 DONE
PLACE = School
ID = 26
SHOW LEFT
OTHER1
ID = 9
SHOW CENTER
DISLIKE
Why in the world would I help you with that?
ID = 26
I can think of three reasons. First, it would tick off Masashi.
ID = 0
(This isn't looking good.)
ID = 9
LIKE
Look, I may not be able to stand Masashi, but a jerk like him isn’t worth getting thrown off the team.
And that’s just what’s going to happen if we get caught.
ID = 26
Secondly, hanging around me will definitely help with that reputation you are trying to build.
ID = 9
UNFRIENDLY
W-what reputation? I have no idea what you’re talking about.
ID = 26
I think you do.
ID = 9
OTHER3
No way… How could you know about that?
ID = 26
It's not important, what is important is getting your help with this I can't do it without you.
ID = 9
LIKE
Well, you haven’t convinced me so far.
What’s the last reason?
ID = 26
I can tell you how to knock 6 seconds off of your run time.
ID = 9
OTHER1
What?
UNFRIENDLY
Hey, how come you think you can help me with my running?
DISLIKE
You don’t run! What do you know?!
ID = 0
(This is looking bad, maybe I should intervene.)
ID = 26
Your mistake isn't in running, it is in your balance.
ID = 9
NEUTRAL
My balance?
What's wrong with my balance?
ID = 26
Sorry but I won't help you unless you agree to help me.
ID = 9
LIKE
Fine, I guess I’ll help, just tell me what I need to do to improve my time.
ID = 26
Your right foot comes down with about 2.8 ounces more force than your left, so put this insole into the heel of your left shoe and you will knock at least 6 seconds off of your run time.
ID = 9
OTHER2
That’s it?
FRIENDLY
So I just need to let you into the club room and show you where Masashi sits, right? Nothing illegal?
ID = 26
And try not to laugh when his uniform falls off of him at practice.
ID = 9
LIKE
Just make sure he doesn’t end up completely naked, okay? My sister sometimes comes to practice.
ID = 0
(New rule: do not piss off Yoko.)
ID = 29
I have to go chase down my honey before he runs away.
ID = 9
UNFRIENDLY
Huh? Your honey?
ID = 26
Yeah, <player> is my honey, and has been spying on us this whole time, the naughty boy. Now I have to spank him.
ID = 9
LIKE
I, um, have to go now…
ERASE CENTER
ID = 0
(Great, running would just make things worse.)
Did you have to call me honey, threaten to spank me, and call me naughty?
ID = 26
You were the one peeping.
ID = 0
I wasn't peeping, I just happened to overhear and got curious.
ID = 26
Fine, you weren't peeping, you were unintentionally spying. Either way, don't tell anyone about this.
ID = 0
How are you going to make his clothes fall off?
ID = 26
I invented an acid that only eats fabric last night. I will coat his chair with it then 10 minutes later his clothes will fall off.
ID = 0
Don't invent such dangerous things!!!
ID = 26
Don't worry, its harmless to people and animals, even if ingested.
ID = 0
That's not the problem!
ID = 26
We better get to class, Honey! Muah!

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author=Dozen
author=Nekochi
I don't think mentally challenged is the correct term to use and it sounds a little insensitive to use it like that, truthfully. You might say different or weird or troublesome instead?
And here you go, breaking your own aesop... Dissapointing. Nekochi, while I don't hold the right to refer to my kin as I feel like it, don't you think I might have a better idea what 'different' people consider offensive and what not? But since you could use a real expanation, there you have one!
In my earlier years especially, but also these days on the occasion, I'm escorted to places I'm going to show up at a regular basis by a friend or a family member who tell those in charge of my condition. For a long time - totally disregarding what I asked them to do, by the way - they too avoided 'insensitive terms' in order to 'protect my feelings'. Nevermind I know exactly what they mean by what they dressed up to make it resemble a compliment, or that I'm reminded of my condition in every wake moment anyway no matter what. What they didn't realize on their own was that, if you downplay a madman's condition, others will think he's less of a madman.
By beating around the bush(which you dislike yourself, if I recall Junko's route correctly and I may dare to assume the same of you) and referring to me as 'troubled', 'different', 'special' and a lot of other words that make me vomit by now, instead of just flat out telling them 'he's hyperactive and histrionic', 'mentally challenged' or just plainly 'insane', people thought of me as an eccentric loner or a sensitive artist at worst, not the primodial chaos shaped into human form that Cluster B Personality Disorders produce. And that of course ended with me being thrown out or rejected in short notice every single time. You try hearing 'get out of here, you retard', 'go hole up in a crazy ward, fuckwad' 'look at the weirdo, he's so funny' and other real, meant insults every day of your life because of those who were supposed to help you, and we'll see what you consider insensitive. All of this can be avoided by people paying more attention to usor being told to leave in peace before it happens, not by defending our mental well-being from nonexistent blows.
After a long struggle I managed to blew their little bubble of conformity by making them realize a word does not become bad by having a use as a derogatory term - That makes as much sense if black people called each other nigger or something and some idiots thought they have self-hatred issues. We're all mature enough here to not hurt each other with swear words, we can all look up the definition of 'mentally challenged' if we want to, I very well know it fits all three of those girls and consider it degrading to my intelligence when you suggest otherwise. I'm sorry, but their hardships and suffering won't get any better if bury your head in the sand and act like it's not as bad as it looks. Keika's not sane, Kyouki's definitely not sane, and without the player's help, Junko is on the way of permanently becoming the worst of them with the stress she's under before psychs could cry 'Remote Schizoid P.D.' in unison. And they need actual help, not baby cuddle and ignorance.

I'm sorry if I offended you, but you're wrong in thinking that my idea of what terminology is offensive is coming from someone who has no experience with that sort of thing. My brother has Asperger's Syndrome, a high functioning form of autism, and I myself deal with depression and have struggled with post-traumatic stress disorder. I say that mentally challenged is offensive because it suggests that someone is somehow less of a person if they have some sort of mental illness, when what it is is an illness, something they can't help. That's not to say that it doesn't need treatment, my brother would doubtless be locked up or have killed someone by now if he hadn't had treatment, but I don't think that saying someone is "insane" helps things. I have the same reaction to that word that you do to the other terms you listed. It is an ugly, ugly word that connects people with mental disabilities with fear and the idea of danger. I worry all the time that people are going to see that my brother is different or he's going to say something in a fit of rage that gets him locked up for a long, long time or gets him shot or that because the recent shootings were done by someone who was mentally ill, it's going to change the way people view him and make his life harder. So I have an investment in this terminology too and I'm not just running at the mouth. Just because you don't find terms like mentally challenged to be offensive doesn't mean that's true of everyone who is "mentally challenged."

My objection to the term is not completely to the term itself, but to how you're using it. I don't know about Kyouki, but Keika and Junko definitely are not mentally challenged. Keika is a little spacey and she might have ADD, but that does not make someone mentally challenged. Junko is a slightly more difficult case, as she definitely has some problems in how she's dealing with her mother leaving, but she's not what I'd classify as mentally ill or "insane." I think of mentally challenged as referring to something more permanent and built in, such as autism (and even then I'd use mentally ill over mentally challenged, since mentally challenged strikes me as being too close to calling someone an idiot), something you were born with and that you'll always have to deal with and which affects your life in a major way. I might say that Junko has a mental disorder, or something that came about later and can be cured. My brother has a mental illness because Asperger's is something he's going to have to live with for his entire life which can't be cured, but can be treated. My PTSD was a mental disorder because it was something that I am mostly "cured" of.

That said, I hope you aren't offended by anything I said. I'm not going to lie, I'm a little bit ticked that you went off on me like that for making a mild suggestion and called me a hypocrite and just assumed that I have less experience with mental illness than you, but I don't want things to be awkward between us, since I'm sure neither of us meant to offend. However, in the future, I would appreciate if you would think a little more carefully before posting because there have been a couple of times that you have overreacted to things people have said and possibly hurt some feelings. I didn't want to say anything before because I don't like to say things that I know will probably be taken the wrong way, but I think I have the right to defend myself, especially when it's an issue I feel this strongly about.

@triad2
I'll get to that Junko event in just a minute.

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author=Dozen
A little background: I gave Ryoko a few positive qualities so someone might actually like her, and more depth to her vileness, since in all honesty I flat-out refuse to publish an archetypical mancrazy alpha bitch. (I'm elitist like that, bite me).

Actually, I was hoping you'd give her some redeeming traits, since there has to be some reason that Junko saw her as a friend (her best friend, even) in the first place. (Besides, one dimensional characters are boring.)

author=Dozen
her sucking up to Masashi is both a part of an elaborate trick and an opporturnity to flip Junko off

I'm interested to see what you mean by this. Does this mean you aren't going to have her like Masashi at all? Because that was a large part of what I originally concieved as her character, but then, my version of Ryoko was flat and lifeless, so you're welcome to diverge from it if you have other plans. I'm also interested in why she wanted to flip Junko off (and why she chose to use Masashi, of all people, to do so, since Junko can't stand him.) Is it just because Junko started to push her away or was there also some jealous involved because Junko is better at track than her (remember that it was established in the Junko event she comes from that Ryoko's on the track team)?

author=Dozen
Sticking to the original theme, I had and will have the player meet Ryoko when she's torturing her mentally challenged classmates(That would be Jun, Keika and Kyouki) and similar setups, to keep the experience "authentic"(by which I mean to extablish at start just how much of a dickcheese she is, of course). One such event is halfway ready, you can have it if you want.

I don't think mentally challenged is the correct term to use and it sounds a little insensitive to use it like that, truthfully. You might say different or weird or troublesome instead? In any case, I'd love to look at the event, if it's okay with you.

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Hey guys, sorry I haven't been around much. I've been working on some other projects and having writer's block and various things. Anyway, two things I wanted to bring up.

1) I started an LP of the game on Broken Forum. I'm doing Junko's route (because I'm super vain), so feel free to check it out and even comment if you want. Hopefully this will get the game some more publicity. :)

2) I'm thinking of doing a Junko 2.0 at some point, with added content and fixed mistakes, since I've noticed some things I don't like about her route and I also think it would be a good exercise to get the creative juice's flowing again. Dozen, do you have a copy of Ryoko's sprites that I can have? I'd like to add them to the event that she shows up in on Junko's route. Her profile might be helpful too (or at least the ID you are using for her), so that there's not duplication of Ryoko, but it's not necessary. Is there some sort of workaround I can use so that she won't get introduced twice, but we'll still be able to see events in both the routes?

I could make a condition that says you wouldn't get the event if you had already got the Ryoko's introduce event and then comment it out so it wouldn't mess up Junko's route and make a duplicate of the event (also commented out) that doesn't introduce her that you can only get if she's already been introduced, but that would require me to get at more of your files in order to know file names and story names and such, so I'm not sure you want that.

Of course, none of this would matter if you could only get Ryoko's first event if you'd already seen the one for the Junko route, in which case only I would have to introduce her, but I don't really know exactly what you're planning, so if you could let me know so we could figure something out, that'd be great.

Finished content

So I came up with a game! Let's try and describe our creations the way Ferdinand (or as I always call him, Lance) might try to describe them, the way the characters are described on the official website. :)

Here's what I might do for Junko and Aoi.

"I know I'm trying to meet girls, but Aoi wasn't quite what I had in mind. I'm not sure why an elementary school student seems to be spending so much time at high school, but clearly there are some sort of family problems behind it. I have a hunch it might have something to do with Junko Watanabe, who comes with her own slew of problems attached. She might be in Keika's class, but the two couldn't be more different. Sure, Junko has a bad attitude, but I can't quite credit the rumors that she's in a gang that have been spreading around school. But if she's not in a gang, just what has been going on with her to make her push everyone away?"

So? Seems like it might be fun, right?

Also, as the female representative for this game, I'd buy whatever that delivery boy was selling. ;)

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No problem, Triad! Have you already uploaded the file somewhere? Just give me a link and I'll look into it. :)