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Reality is often crap.
Morose, piddling and handicap.
Nice to escape with a game entrap.
Run to the computer.
Might play a platformer or first person shooter.
No, I think it'll be an RPG maker looter.
Reason dictates one must find games to play.
More than the usual commercial lingerie.
New indie is a more interesting soiree.
Resume life, even if it be lacking.
Make something fun and share it, get cracking.
Never give up your dreams, stop slacking.
(An aside. If this is already finished, then they need to both say so in the OP, AND take it off the front page rotation.)
Morose, piddling and handicap.
Nice to escape with a game entrap.
Run to the computer.
Might play a platformer or first person shooter.
No, I think it'll be an RPG maker looter.
Reason dictates one must find games to play.
More than the usual commercial lingerie.
New indie is a more interesting soiree.
Resume life, even if it be lacking.
Make something fun and share it, get cracking.
Never give up your dreams, stop slacking.
(An aside. If this is already finished, then they need to both say so in the OP, AND take it off the front page rotation.)
Revenge Explains Everything - Clichés To Hate
"I started to read a lot of high-class literature. It was impossible to return to Pratchett's level."
And that says everything anyone needs to know about you. Pretentious. Not to mention ignorant.
I also note that you totally ignored everything else I said. Likely because that was the only thing you could respond to. As I said, your "article" is nothing more than your own dislike dressed up to sound like advice.
And that says everything anyone needs to know about you. Pretentious. Not to mention ignorant.
I also note that you totally ignored everything else I said. Likely because that was the only thing you could respond to. As I said, your "article" is nothing more than your own dislike dressed up to sound like advice.
Revenge Explains Everything - Clichés To Hate
“The reason that clichés become clichés is that they are the hammers and screwdrivers in the toolbox of communication.”
― Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!
Real people ARE predictable and mediocre. That's why people don't focus on petty prejudices and other such things in media. It's banal. The entire reason most people like playing games and watching movies is because the characters aren't like real people. Real people are boring. Most real people just sit on their bottoms, moan, complain and do nothing about anything.
The best stories are about extraordinary people, and/or extraordinary circumstances.
That's why most war movies don't have main characters that die, as much as some may complain about it. Simple truth is that most people don't want to see a movie about John Johnson from Johnsonville that's just a dude that got killed during a random battle because he stupidly stuck his head up at the wrong time.
This is typical of appeal to novelty arguments. IE, "add something extremely interesting and creative" is just as likely to come across as forced, contrived, over thought, silly, or just downright nonsensical. Different isn't inherently better.
Now, if it seems I'm against realism, I'm not. Quite to contrary, I am a stickler for it. In the right places. Most people don't have super complicated reasons for doing things.
So applying the KISS principle IS being realistic. "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." IS a realistic motivation. No matter how cliche it may feel to you, or how much you might think it's boring.
The issue isn't with revenge plots. In some cases it's an issue of execution, but mostly it just comes down to you personally being tired of them. As such, your post could have consisted of one sentence.
"I'm tired of revenge plots, and sometimes they are executed poorly."
― Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!
Real people ARE predictable and mediocre. That's why people don't focus on petty prejudices and other such things in media. It's banal. The entire reason most people like playing games and watching movies is because the characters aren't like real people. Real people are boring. Most real people just sit on their bottoms, moan, complain and do nothing about anything.
The best stories are about extraordinary people, and/or extraordinary circumstances.
That's why most war movies don't have main characters that die, as much as some may complain about it. Simple truth is that most people don't want to see a movie about John Johnson from Johnsonville that's just a dude that got killed during a random battle because he stupidly stuck his head up at the wrong time.
This is typical of appeal to novelty arguments. IE, "add something extremely interesting and creative" is just as likely to come across as forced, contrived, over thought, silly, or just downright nonsensical. Different isn't inherently better.
Now, if it seems I'm against realism, I'm not. Quite to contrary, I am a stickler for it. In the right places. Most people don't have super complicated reasons for doing things.
So applying the KISS principle IS being realistic. "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." IS a realistic motivation. No matter how cliche it may feel to you, or how much you might think it's boring.
The issue isn't with revenge plots. In some cases it's an issue of execution, but mostly it just comes down to you personally being tired of them. As such, your post could have consisted of one sentence.
"I'm tired of revenge plots, and sometimes they are executed poorly."
Censorship
author=Liberty
It's our site. So there.
:eyeroll:
You may not let my game on the site, but you lost any credibility you had with that comment. Which means I still win.
Censorship
author=Liberty
There's a huge difference between a game that makes jokes over transexuals getting sex changes and a horror story where a girl is preyed on by an evil man as part of her backstory.
One is deliberately slapping someone in the face with an insult towards their very state of being, making it out to be a joke and making them feel worthless.
The other provides backstory to a character and gives them depth and shows it as a negative, horrible thing to occur, condemning it as a vile act.
Your so-called 'joke' makes light of something that is horrible and if that's your personal cup of tea, that's fine, but I'm afraid we don't stock that brand here so you'll have to look for another cafe to drink it.
The fact that you're even trying to argue this point shows that you really have no concept of the difference and due to that I would definitely not trust you to know where to draw the line.
Sorry you're so upset over this but that's the final word. And as it is a private site, it is up to us to say what stays and goes so yeah, I guess it is kinda dictatorshipish but that's the same with every goddamn site that exists that has rules.
Again, the joke is about the WORDS. What do you find so difficult to understand about that?
Only if they take it that way. Which is their problem. Not mine.
Again, only if the player takes it that way. It's just as easy to take it as enjoyment in the pain and misery of others. Many people view the entire horror genre that way.
My joke doesn't make light of anything. Your perception of it doing so is just that, YOUR perception.
The fact that you think there should be a line, when there is clearly no malice or hate involved, shows you are incapable of understanding context or having a sense of proportion. A typical SJW in other words.
Only the ones that are run by people who can't defend what they're saying or doing, and feel a need to resort to "it's my site, so there." to justify their actions.
Censorship
author=Liberty
You are free to make your game. You are free to distribute it to the world for free. We are free to say "No, we don't want this on the site."
Take it elsewhere and quit whining that choosing to use hate speech and deliberately-inflammatory language as a 'joke' means you got told no. Sorry, but the staff who saw the description and your PM decided a resounding no on allowing the game on the site.
Move on and share it elsewhere if you have an issue with that, but complaining here isn't going to change our minds.
Just Because Fallacy. The act of tyrants and all who demand to be held above criticism.
It isn't hate speech if it's not hateful. And "deliberately-inflammatory" is subjective to what someone finds inflammatory. ALL horror games are "deliberately-inflammatory".
It's also outright wrong. My intent is to make people laugh. Making people mad would be counter-productive to that. Just because something MIGHT have the opposite effect does not mean I intend it to.
Answer the questions. Why is it okay for the site to be "deliberately-inflammatory" towards vegans, animal lovers, etc with "McBacon Jam 3", but my word play is wrong?
Either they're just words, or they aren't.
Either you have a problem with things that are potentially offensive, or you don't.
Appeal to incredulity fallacy. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't make it untrue. PROVE IT.
Yes, they are silly names. The others are "That Guy", "Sidekick McNobody", and Who Cares".
It isn't a joke about transexuals, it's a joke about the WORDS. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it untrue.
The Hitler joke is also about the WORDS. Burning the Franks. Franks, as in Frankenfurters. Sausages. Hot dogs. Which is also a joke the PCs try to stop me telling. As in Politically Correct/Player Characters.
Censorship
author=unity
You don't even know what censorship means. Having standards isn't censoring anything. "Censorship" is just a buzzword to you that you think entitles you to something you do not in fact deserve. The fact that one website doesn't allow your game because it is deemed offensive is not censorship, it's just plain moderating content.
Yes, I do know what it means. Do you?
Who sets the standards? Why are you avoiding everything I've said about that? Why is it okay to murder, maim and destroy in a horror game. But using puns is off limits, just because the words being used might "trigger" someone?
Why is it okay to kill animals in a game? Some people find that offensive.
Anything can be offensive. So why should one thing, that clearly isn't malicious, be said to be going too far, when other things that some would consider just as bad or worse get a free pass?
I don't think I'm entitled to anything, except fair and equal consideration. Clearly that isn't happening, since there are any number of things on this site that could easily offend people. So I ask again, why is the wordplay in my game more offensive than say... McBacon Jam, a banner on the top of the page. That could easily offend vegetarians and vegans.
Aren't the people who use this site capable of making their own choices?
Censorship
author=Marrend
Personally speaking, I would not know about some of the word play that you are using without the helpful explanations. Also, isn't the fact that you feel inclined to explain your jokes indicate... something?
Hell, I dunno.
That's your problem. I shouldn't have to restrict the depth of my work because most people are either stupid, ill educated, or simply don't pay attention.
I'm explaining it to make it clear that there is more going on, for those who are inclined to pay attention, than meets the eye.
Censorship
author=unity
I trust those moderating the queue more than I trust you. When you cross certain lines, you take a risk of not being accepted here. Go try GameJolt or Itch.io.
Appeal to authority fallacy. Appeal to outrage fallacy.
It's already on both of them, since it's a commercial game and wouldn't even be downloadable here.
Censorship
author=Kylaila
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That's just my cents.
At the end of the day, the site is privately owned and will stamp the games they deem okay by their set of rules. Some are on edge, some are out.
My issue is that any content is given special treatment, regardless of genre. Or that any potential offense is held up as worse as any other, when offense is subjective.
You take offense. It is not given.
Not every joke has a pun behind it, some people just like dark humor and "dirty" jokes. I don't feel a need to exclude anyone, and have low brow comedy right alongside stuff that can be extremely convoluted.
One of the first jokes in the game is that I'm in it. As the Gandalf-esque character that forces the main to go on the quest. I'm the game dev, so everything that happens in the game is my doing, and I'm also in the game forcing them to do it. It's a meta joke. Which I don't expect most people to get, but I still did it.
I also poke fun at myself, and the game its self, all through it.
There is a honest game trailers cameo in the game, doing a trailer for the game. Wherein I have them making fun of it.
I am not being deliberately offensive. Since that would be predicated on me caring that I offended anyone. I don't. You might not like it, but I decided a long time ago that I'm not responsible for what's in anyone's head but my own.
Tranny is also a term for a car transmission. It's a play on words.
The entire sequence is that I tell that joke, and the characters reply with "..." Staring at me. I then follow up with "When they get a sex change, do they go to a penis machinist?" (an old military slang term for a doctor, and a callback to mechanic). They continue to just stare. I then say "What?! The jokes are there! Someone has to tell them!" Then they walk away shaking their heads.
The context, which I explained, is that I (as the game dev) am trying to tell dark, messed up jokes, and the PCs keep trying to stop me. PC. Politically Correct. Player Character. Again, I am screwing around with words.
We are also talking about one area of the game, out of 9. A lot of the humor in the game is based on the PCs having conversations, or getting into arguments with me. A big portion of it is finding silly things in the environment.
Books of silly spells at the Inns for example. Like Pudding Wall and Divine Spell of the Syrup Demon. Or books like: A Peacetime Comparison of the Broadsword and Net.
NPCs like the Ramenmancer. He does magic noodles.
There are tons of references to various things. Every area has a different theme like Monty Python, 90s music, cartoons, etc. Which is its self a parody of how RPGs nearly always have each area themed.
The potentially offensive stuff is a pretty small fraction.
If Liberty had asked about that I would have said so, but he/she didn't. They just asked about what was offensive. I guess I should have just said, the only one who can make that call is you, since it's entirely subjective.
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