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Crystal King - Intro added, no shop run possibility??
Well obviously the bugbears were on the top of the foodchain =P Just kidding.... but that is were the rebellion comes in. The bugbears and goblins (maybe even those elusive Werewolfes you hinted at existing?) could have had enough of orcs and humans lording over them, especially the humans as they were newcomers.
SO the bugbears (I assume they are the ones most attuned to a certain type of magic that allows them to cast "huge" spells at a certain cost. - I am talking about ritual type magic... and the cost is the casters life force or healing magic. Or just lives ) Like this they took the advantage of the orcs and humans not knowing and unleashed a terrible curse at the leaders of all of their kinds. (The human king and orc king and their spawn).
What the curse is I do not know but I am sure that I could find something if I look everywhere on this site.... but it must have been something terrible. Like dying if you have intercourse or something akin as deadly without them knowing.
The curse itself can only be undone by someone of the blood of the caster - or something that shares the same "soul". The Bugbearking who probably spearheaded the Ritual out of spite (maybe some of his children where killed or enslaved by the humans and orcs?) and almost paid the ultimate price for it. Just short of dying he crystalized his Soul to change whoever touches his "heart" into something akin to him - a royal bugbear. (Naturally they would also need some goblins to undo the curse)
Over time the humans and orcs grew apart and started hating each other, both sides blaming the other for what happened.
Well thats my theory right now. But I would need a lot more lore to make any sort of "good" predictions.
There are thousands more explanations but that one may be the one hitting home the most likelist of those I have right now.... especially on the nature of the curse. I would think it forbids something very mundane like emotions, reproduction, adrenaline and the like. Maybe even turning the heart or other organs into something else.
Well thats it from me for now.
SO the bugbears (I assume they are the ones most attuned to a certain type of magic that allows them to cast "huge" spells at a certain cost. - I am talking about ritual type magic... and the cost is the casters life force or healing magic. Or just lives ) Like this they took the advantage of the orcs and humans not knowing and unleashed a terrible curse at the leaders of all of their kinds. (The human king and orc king and their spawn).
What the curse is I do not know but I am sure that I could find something if I look everywhere on this site.... but it must have been something terrible. Like dying if you have intercourse or something akin as deadly without them knowing.
The curse itself can only be undone by someone of the blood of the caster - or something that shares the same "soul". The Bugbearking who probably spearheaded the Ritual out of spite (maybe some of his children where killed or enslaved by the humans and orcs?) and almost paid the ultimate price for it. Just short of dying he crystalized his Soul to change whoever touches his "heart" into something akin to him - a royal bugbear. (Naturally they would also need some goblins to undo the curse)
Over time the humans and orcs grew apart and started hating each other, both sides blaming the other for what happened.
Well thats my theory right now. But I would need a lot more lore to make any sort of "good" predictions.
There are thousands more explanations but that one may be the one hitting home the most likelist of those I have right now.... especially on the nature of the curse. I would think it forbids something very mundane like emotions, reproduction, adrenaline and the like. Maybe even turning the heart or other organs into something else.
Well thats it from me for now.
Crystal King - Intro added, no shop run possibility??
No you didnt annoy me with english puns... but if you did I would blame your name and move on =P
Well to my ideas to list them all which I had without playing your game so far are:
War. Caused by maybe ressource shortage (even after the help from the beastfolk) for the humans which were riled up by local leaders which started out small but escalated in time but died down after a while. (basically small raids which moved on to bigger raids but when the bugbears/orcs started fighting back it kinda toned down until only the "hatred" brought by war survived but they themselves (humans) knew they couldnt continue this and went back to dealing with bugbears and orcs "normally" blaming them for what they did. Naturally I have thought of more variants of this but this one is the one I thought most likely.
A curse. Nationwide or only the leaders which affected several leaders and was brought on by the bugbear king which crystalized or something similar human settlers or their elites. Which kind of rebounded and "killed" him (well his Soul not this one lives within a certain cursed human) and is trying to undo the damage he did. Which came out to be the fault of the bugbear king and the orcs where kinda caught in the crossfire too. (this theory I found rather unlikely as I only attribute the worst to humanking =P)
Cultural differences. See when different cultures meet there is often the chance that innocent gestures will be taken as grefious insults.... In some countries nodding is considered no for an example while for us it would be an affirmation. So all of this started because of some sort of misunderstanding and them meeting without beeing prepared for the culture "war" caused a huge chasm between the few races. Especially for humans getting tricked by Lepra Con himself(Herself?) with not knowing that they are greedy could result in bad blood. Things escalated after small things kept pilling up and human mercenaries killed the bugbear king because of a conceived affront and he placed a curse that if one of his attackers should take a certain "heart" he would be turned into what he/she despiced. Naturally I have also thought of more variants in this case but if i were to list them all I would sit here for a few days.
Well those are my ideas without all the variants and some left out i think very unlikely and some were proven wrong by your words.
Well anyways enough of this for now... =P
I am gonna wait for your new demo and play the hell out of it once I have the time... =P I will be swamped for a while longer so dont hurry =P
Well to my ideas to list them all which I had without playing your game so far are:
War. Caused by maybe ressource shortage (even after the help from the beastfolk) for the humans which were riled up by local leaders which started out small but escalated in time but died down after a while. (basically small raids which moved on to bigger raids but when the bugbears/orcs started fighting back it kinda toned down until only the "hatred" brought by war survived but they themselves (humans) knew they couldnt continue this and went back to dealing with bugbears and orcs "normally" blaming them for what they did. Naturally I have thought of more variants of this but this one is the one I thought most likely.
A curse. Nationwide or only the leaders which affected several leaders and was brought on by the bugbear king which crystalized or something similar human settlers or their elites. Which kind of rebounded and "killed" him (well his Soul not this one lives within a certain cursed human) and is trying to undo the damage he did. Which came out to be the fault of the bugbear king and the orcs where kinda caught in the crossfire too. (this theory I found rather unlikely as I only attribute the worst to humanking =P)
Cultural differences. See when different cultures meet there is often the chance that innocent gestures will be taken as grefious insults.... In some countries nodding is considered no for an example while for us it would be an affirmation. So all of this started because of some sort of misunderstanding and them meeting without beeing prepared for the culture "war" caused a huge chasm between the few races. Especially for humans getting tricked by Lepra Con himself(Herself?) with not knowing that they are greedy could result in bad blood. Things escalated after small things kept pilling up and human mercenaries killed the bugbear king because of a conceived affront and he placed a curse that if one of his attackers should take a certain "heart" he would be turned into what he/she despiced. Naturally I have also thought of more variants in this case but if i were to list them all I would sit here for a few days.
Well those are my ideas without all the variants and some left out i think very unlikely and some were proven wrong by your words.
Well anyways enough of this for now... =P
I am gonna wait for your new demo and play the hell out of it once I have the time... =P I will be swamped for a while longer so dont hurry =P
Alpha 0.36 - Progress Report - Enchanted Weapons.
Well first of all I sadly have no time for testing right now but seeing this I had a few ideas I wanted to share:
Make a spell that allows Warriors and the like to share their MP with the caster. That would save mana potions for the caster and make warriors mana usefull. This one could be "buyable", "trainable" or just as a quest reward in Lords Gate from the House of Arcane or the weapons shop (something the shop owner picked up in his time there maybe? A quest from a shop would be fun).
Make some spells you get from the House of Arcane for quests or coin for an example using drops from monsters to create spells if your magic system works that way. This would also make your magic system a bit more unique compared to other games where magic just exists.... maybe magic is humans crystalization of observing monsters and using their techniques for themselves. Maybe give some rundown how magic works in quests for the house of arcane...if you need some sort of possible scenarios I would be happy to help. I have fantasized about magic a lot...^^
Well just some thoughts I had after reading this post. Hopefully you find this usefull.
Also yeah to the game beeing almost finished? =P
Make a spell that allows Warriors and the like to share their MP with the caster. That would save mana potions for the caster and make warriors mana usefull. This one could be "buyable", "trainable" or just as a quest reward in Lords Gate from the House of Arcane or the weapons shop (something the shop owner picked up in his time there maybe? A quest from a shop would be fun).
Make some spells you get from the House of Arcane for quests or coin for an example using drops from monsters to create spells if your magic system works that way. This would also make your magic system a bit more unique compared to other games where magic just exists.... maybe magic is humans crystalization of observing monsters and using their techniques for themselves. Maybe give some rundown how magic works in quests for the house of arcane...if you need some sort of possible scenarios I would be happy to help. I have fantasized about magic a lot...^^
Well just some thoughts I had after reading this post. Hopefully you find this usefull.
Also yeah to the game beeing almost finished? =P
Crystal King - Intro added, no shop run possibility??
Sorry I didnt answer sooner.... I kinda forgot cause I was swamped... xD
Anyways thy I guess for not noticing that I am not a native speaker? Or maybe you are making fun of me because of my german name? I dunno so I go with the first option =P
Sounds like I should wait for the new demo before playing cause it seems to introduce a lot of changes and plot....^^ A shame really I was about to sit down and play the demo for as long as I could...
Anyways it would have been a neet figure that would have you do a lot of extra work so I see why it doesnt sound like a good idea... as rage inducing at it could be i thought it could make a nice feature =P
Interesting.... so the orc king had quite the influencing but seeing that we are bugbears and its called the "Crystal King" I have my suspiciouns what might have happened...
One may be war (whatever sparked that seems to have made humans have a hate for beastfolk if what Kylaila said is true). Another a curse on an entire race or their most prominent members making them leaderless and resulting in a lot of destruction by the masses. Honestly I have a lot more ideas but I dont wanna possible get you to spoil the story for me.... (if you really wanna hear all my ideas shoot me a message, no need to tempt you into spoilering in the open =P)
To be fair I have played a game once where he had an endless potion (yeah the standart potion) i cant remember the name of the game, but I remember it was a special reward for defeating an optional boss.... at that point you could easily afford healing items en mass though so it was more a gimmic than anything else.... only remember that it was a german game but i dont remember the site it was on (to be fair it was a trash game lol)
But I have often asked myself questions about RPG's but sadly hardly anyone came up with an answer.... I mean cmone treasure chests at obvious areas unopened?! HOW?!? xD People not complaining about plundering their houses? HOW?!? And... I think you get the idea =P
Yes you didnt answer everything but you did prove to have invested some thoughts into your game which makes it all the more valueable.... maybe you will humor me one day and get into it and make for an example drop monster parts from monsters that you can sell instead of gold, but i doubt it.... =P (and be it only because it is to much work to find icons for every monster part =P)
Anyways going to watch this closely.... =P I will abstain from asking questions that may be answered later once I play.... maybe I got you thinking and in the mood to make NPC's that adress points like the ones I pointed out before... =P (Yeah I am hopefull for secret nuggets of information xD)
Anyways thy I guess for not noticing that I am not a native speaker? Or maybe you are making fun of me because of my german name? I dunno so I go with the first option =P
Sounds like I should wait for the new demo before playing cause it seems to introduce a lot of changes and plot....^^ A shame really I was about to sit down and play the demo for as long as I could...
Anyways it would have been a neet figure that would have you do a lot of extra work so I see why it doesnt sound like a good idea... as rage inducing at it could be i thought it could make a nice feature =P
Interesting.... so the orc king had quite the influencing but seeing that we are bugbears and its called the "Crystal King" I have my suspiciouns what might have happened...
One may be war (whatever sparked that seems to have made humans have a hate for beastfolk if what Kylaila said is true). Another a curse on an entire race or their most prominent members making them leaderless and resulting in a lot of destruction by the masses. Honestly I have a lot more ideas but I dont wanna possible get you to spoil the story for me.... (if you really wanna hear all my ideas shoot me a message, no need to tempt you into spoilering in the open =P)
To be fair I have played a game once where he had an endless potion (yeah the standart potion) i cant remember the name of the game, but I remember it was a special reward for defeating an optional boss.... at that point you could easily afford healing items en mass though so it was more a gimmic than anything else.... only remember that it was a german game but i dont remember the site it was on (to be fair it was a trash game lol)
But I have often asked myself questions about RPG's but sadly hardly anyone came up with an answer.... I mean cmone treasure chests at obvious areas unopened?! HOW?!? xD People not complaining about plundering their houses? HOW?!? And... I think you get the idea =P
Yes you didnt answer everything but you did prove to have invested some thoughts into your game which makes it all the more valueable.... maybe you will humor me one day and get into it and make for an example drop monster parts from monsters that you can sell instead of gold, but i doubt it.... =P (and be it only because it is to much work to find icons for every monster part =P)
Anyways going to watch this closely.... =P I will abstain from asking questions that may be answered later once I play.... maybe I got you thinking and in the mood to make NPC's that adress points like the ones I pointed out before... =P (Yeah I am hopefull for secret nuggets of information xD)
Crystal King - Intro added, no shop run possibility??
author=TheAnnoyingBugbearauthor=dasgibtesnetGives me the EverQuest vibe all over again. I'm not opposed to the idea of raising prices. In fact, to bounce off from that idea, I could raise the prices intentionally at the beginning so when you first arrive, it would be expensive. Then after you gain trust, you would get a nice discount. At least one character would have an initial discount due to their race (i.e. Rennic would get a discount in a human town and Lesnar would get a discount from a lizard merchant and etc.) That would be an interesting experience but how would players feel about that? That's what I like to know.
They wouldnt make you refuse their business oh no, they would wring you for every piece of gold/coins whatever you are worth.
So they would stock up on stuff other races need if there is any meaningful traffic... they just would sell their services at a very high... rate. Especially if they dont have a choice but to shop there.
I won't remove shops entirely since you'll need to buy healing items somehow. The inns will be pretty much useless atm but it's probably for Azhal's sake. Poor guy.
It was just a thought to see how players would react when they see Worik talk to a human merchant or when Rennic bargain shops with the orcs. Don't know if that would seem odd or funny but I was worried if someone was going to question the lore behind it.
And lastly, the goblins are the greedy folk in the game, notably the character named Lepra Con (ah, see the pun?!), who tries to rip you off for passage through the Goblin Grove. The humans, on the other hand, are settlers so they are not used to seeing beastfolk so why would they trade in the first place?
As a matter of fact I dont see the pun... english ain't my first language so yeah =P
To be honest, it would probably frustrate me if I am barely able to afford anything at the beginning.... you probably could offset that by giving someone items and some gold/coins etc when other party members join (they join their inventory with yours and stuff like that).. if you arent already doing that
To be fair I wouldnt be feeling like immersion is broken if you buy from humans as a orc, but they should react differently to you if you do (like higher prices, some sort of "I dont like you stranger, but bussiness is business." Kind of attitude if you go there. Hm I wonder how one could do that.... I never really tried anything like that when I played around with the RPG Maker... I only remember that you can do something depoending on who is in the party.... well back to topic. But it would surprise me with the information I have now if humans would have any sort of prolonged conversation with you when you are an orc.... maybe make them say something like: "You are keeping strange company for a human, I would reconsider this if I were you" and stuff like that... I dunno what they could say as I still havent played the game =P
Anyways if they are just settlers it would make sense if they had little to trade with, especially equibment that "beastfolk" would use. But I wonder why they would have an inn and how they make enough money to sleep there... are they working for the inn owner in return for a sleeping place? Do they not have enough materials to build a hut/tent/whatever for all the people? How do they even get coins? Is killing monsters for coins something common? How do they explain how they get coins from monsters? Or do monsters drop their body parts that can be sold/used for crafting? Is this an economy that revolves around killing enough monsters to have a place to sleep? How do they deal with inflation if there are far to many coins compared to services provided.... they would at some point have prices to high to afford even if one goes hunting the entire day... Where do they get their wares? I mean we can probably buy like 99 of each item without them running out of stock.... and and and.... i will stop here and download the game and put it higher on my playing list.... you piqued my curiosity if i get answers to all the questions I now have xD
Crystal King - Intro added, no shop run possibility??
I will be honest - I havent played the game yet so I dont have the lore to back up what I am about to say but...
Humans are one thing over all others: greedy. To their own people and especially other "Races" or anyone seemingly different.
They wouldnt make you refuse their business oh no, they would wring you for every piece of gold/coins whatever you are worth.
So they would stock up on stuff other races need if there is any meaningful traffic... they just would sell their services at a very high... rate. Especially if they dont have a choice but to shop there. In my opinion denying orcs business would harm the merchants, which is something they wouldnt want. Naturally there is always the chance that they dont stock the weapons orc use. But a potion shop or the like? Hell yeah they would go to markups like 300% if they know you have no fucking choice but to buy there.... probably even higher. Nevermind the inn if its the "only" way to heal (which it isnt... in this case they may refuse your business, but only if it threatens to scare away other paying costumers.)
Well just my two cents without playing the game yet (I have stuff to do right now) and I do hope that helps... if you want to discuss this further I am open to do so, but dont expect an immediate answer =P
Humans are one thing over all others: greedy. To their own people and especially other "Races" or anyone seemingly different.
They wouldnt make you refuse their business oh no, they would wring you for every piece of gold/coins whatever you are worth.
So they would stock up on stuff other races need if there is any meaningful traffic... they just would sell their services at a very high... rate. Especially if they dont have a choice but to shop there. In my opinion denying orcs business would harm the merchants, which is something they wouldnt want. Naturally there is always the chance that they dont stock the weapons orc use. But a potion shop or the like? Hell yeah they would go to markups like 300% if they know you have no fucking choice but to buy there.... probably even higher. Nevermind the inn if its the "only" way to heal (which it isnt... in this case they may refuse your business, but only if it threatens to scare away other paying costumers.)
Well just my two cents without playing the game yet (I have stuff to do right now) and I do hope that helps... if you want to discuss this further I am open to do so, but dont expect an immediate answer =P
Mapping 99% DONE!!!
Umbral Soul
author=KyleLascarauthor=dd33WheelmanZero can take his own sweet time to complete Umbral Soul's Ultimate Edition. Why don't you, dd33, learn basic English in the meantime?
i undestand but ot your argument ido like wheel said think other things but im not a patient guy xd and when i read all progress he made in the mail we send it just schock for me that not finish
If you are here to praise Wheelman in a plot to make him have a heartattack than you are very welcome in my opinion, but I think i could speak for most if I say that we should not attack someone on a more personal level simply because he thinks he is entitled to something he isnt.
I know quite a few people that struggled learning english even with a lot of time invested and still failed.... Learning a language isnt that easy for many.
Anyways wheelman I must say again you did great work :D
And excuse to all the others that hopped that this is an update.... but this had to be said in my opinion. Beeing attacked because someone struggles to learn a language isnt something one should do. (or because he acts entitled... some dont know any better yet and wont if you just attack them.)
dd33 you are as much a fan of wheelmans work as I am... but please dont try to tell wheelman what he has to do with his free time... there are often many factors that have to be considered (like work, life and stuff like that) wheelman doesnt owe us a new update to the game even if he promised... and quite a few may rally to his defense and attack you without saying anything worthwhile simply to put you down.... well I am not the best trying to explain what I do with my basic english skills, but basically I wanna tell you: Dont think you are entitled to something you arent. Wheelmans time is his to use however he wants to and dont tell him to speed up. We will get what we want in time.. with some luck =P
I do hope I brought my point across without making to many mistakes or stuff like that.
Umbral Soul
Honestly.... I am fine with waiting longer (eh how couldnt I be? I fully agree with gothic there... its not like I am paying for anything. And the work to have a full animation list with a ton of custom made animations is just the icing on this incredible story.)
But I think dd33 is saying that since Wheelman once said he would probably have it done at this point etc etc... so I kinda see where he is coming from.
Anyways look after yourself first before you make the game... its better to get quality than a bug riddled abdomination.
Thy for the "kinda" finished game so far... it was a lot of fun to play around with. And I dont have a lot of fun normally.... so I guess double thanks? xD
But I think dd33 is saying that since Wheelman once said he would probably have it done at this point etc etc... so I kinda see where he is coming from.
Anyways look after yourself first before you make the game... its better to get quality than a bug riddled abdomination.
Thy for the "kinda" finished game so far... it was a lot of fun to play around with. And I dont have a lot of fun normally.... so I guess double thanks? xD
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