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a 2.5d explorer/horror game about NEURAL-9, a memory disease that spreads via eye contact
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Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
Count looks incorrect -- there are more than 1 Liberty votes for instance, and I think only 7 alive.
Strongly prefer killing Liberty today. It was already kind of dug into in detail but her case on Cave looks constructed. (the one Odd I guess could be too but I was willing to overlook it as Liberty logic)
@Ozzy: I'm not concerned about the kill-Gourd-to-win faction actually winning that way. It'd require scum to using a nightkill on Gourd's bulletproofness, actually coordinating that wincon during the day, and killing weird people (only those without the additional wincon).
Plus daykilling town with the addition kill-Gourd wincon involves, well, killing town.
re: Ozzy scumminess, I don't think him talking about cowboy means anything at all, yeah -- I explicitly asked him to name it. My opinion is that Ozzy's vote in D1 looks good enough for now where I don't want to kill him today.
Strongly prefer killing Liberty today. It was already kind of dug into in detail but her case on Cave looks constructed. (the one Odd I guess could be too but I was willing to overlook it as Liberty logic)
@Ozzy: I'm not concerned about the kill-Gourd-to-win faction actually winning that way. It'd require scum to using a nightkill on Gourd's bulletproofness, actually coordinating that wincon during the day, and killing weird people (only those without the additional wincon).
Plus daykilling town with the addition kill-Gourd wincon involves, well, killing town.
re: Ozzy scumminess, I don't think him talking about cowboy means anything at all, yeah -- I explicitly asked him to name it. My opinion is that Ozzy's vote in D1 looks good enough for now where I don't want to kill him today.
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
@demon: To elaborate why I don't think this is suspicious, I'd guess it's a rider on some towns' roles that allow them to win as a faction, so scum can declare themselves and run out the sheriff if the "kill scum or Gourd to win" town members outnumber the "kill scum to win" members. It'd be a good setup gimmick and explain why town has PRs on top of the existence of the sheriff.
(potentially Fomar also had a "town that could also kill Gourd" alignment and he was indeed fake town)
(potentially Fomar also had a "town that could also kill Gourd" alignment and he was indeed fake town)
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
I don't see the "kill Gourd to win" condition as unlikely at all. I'm actually a lot more inclined to think Cave is town now, and I'm even more convinced Atiya is.
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
@Atiya: Not sure what you mean -- there's something specific you want me to explain?
For reference, I do not have an extra "kill Gourd to win" condition.
Apart from that, Liberty's case on Cave looks constructed to me -- feeling slightly more confident in that vote. The reasons I have to be suspicious around Cave are entirely around his day 1 duel and none of the stuff that Liberty mentioned.
Still 24 hours. I'd vote Cave if forced but prefer Liberty. Cave's been reasonable today until like uhhhh 1 post ago -- was that supposed to be a hammer?
For reference, I do not have an extra "kill Gourd to win" condition.
Apart from that, Liberty's case on Cave looks constructed to me -- feeling slightly more confident in that vote. The reasons I have to be suspicious around Cave are entirely around his day 1 duel and none of the stuff that Liberty mentioned.
Still 24 hours. I'd vote Cave if forced but prefer Liberty. Cave's been reasonable today until like uhhhh 1 post ago -- was that supposed to be a hammer?
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
Fomar declared that he had a PR. It's really not surprising he was killed, and I haven't looked at it further than that.
I have a very watered down power role. Odd has a very watered down power role (which at the time made me think he was likely town). So cave's overpowered role claim rang the alarm bells, even if there was a good chance he was lying about it.
I'm referring to this post: https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/25509/?post=915329#post915329
Nobody expressed any interest in Liberty's role name, and she had already declared that she was vanilla. So it doesn't make any sense to kinda sorta Oddrabbit-style hint at her role name. I like cave's theory that she rolecop'd Ozzy last night to get that info.
I'm still trying to figure out whether not knowing about the sheriff makes cap more or less likely to be scum. His other stuff doesn't come off all that scummy and I really just have that Cave->nothing switch against him.
author=OzzyTheOne
He usually keeps a cool head and him just freaking out at the idea of CAVE having another use of duelist really doesn't look good for him imo.
I have a very watered down power role. Odd has a very watered down power role (which at the time made me think he was likely town). So cave's overpowered role claim rang the alarm bells, even if there was a good chance he was lying about it.
author=Gourd_Clae
I think the role hinting thing is a nulltell bc she has done it as town before.
I'm referring to this post: https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/25509/?post=915329#post915329
Nobody expressed any interest in Liberty's role name, and she had already declared that she was vanilla. So it doesn't make any sense to kinda sorta Oddrabbit-style hint at her role name. I like cave's theory that she rolecop'd Ozzy last night to get that info.
author=Cap_H
Why is Atiya a townread?
author=psy_wombats
Atiya I think is pretty firmly town. Doubt they would put down the first vote for Cave after 3 votes for Odd, and scum-Atiya wouldn't be concerned about a tie.
author=psy_wombats
Atiya I think is pretty firmly town. Doubt they would put down the first vote for Cave after 3 votes for Odd, and scum-Atiya wouldn't be concerned about a tie.
I'm still trying to figure out whether not knowing about the sheriff makes cap more or less likely to be scum. His other stuff doesn't come off all that scummy and I really just have that Cave->nothing switch against him.
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
any good mod will have the vanilla town role pm delivered to scum. now, this mod might be bad, we don't know, but rolecops also exist. people only started saying the vanilla town role name day 2. also noteworthy that ozzy never said it until after liberty.
Yeah actually, that sounds really plausible, I'll buy it. Liberty dropped the name of the role out of nowhere for no reason, and pairing a role cop with Odd's power would be a pretty neat setup.
#lynch Liberty
re: Cap, I think claiming to have reread the thread multiple times while still not putting any care into his reads would indicate that he's faking his analysis. He's still around the top of my list and I'd be willing to switch my vote to him.
Ozzy still looks fine to me.
author=Liberty
Also, yeah, give people a chance to chime in. That said, if scum wasn't psy, then why have we not had a hammer yet? Interesting...
I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
I kind of expected I'd be dying today given odd's flip, and that puts me at -1, so:
I'm a 1-shot doctor, except the protection goes into effect the night after I use the power, rather than the same night. I used it last night so I'm now effectively vanilla. But if nobody dies tonight, you know why.
Reads:
Town: Atiya
Scummish: Liberty, Cave, CapH
@Ozzy: you and Liberty are the only people claiming to be vanilla right now, can you verify this post from Liberty looks like a vanilla role? https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/25509/?post=915329#post915329
I asked earlier but couldn't elaborate because without saying I wasn't vanilla. But anyway, if it can be confirmed that Liberty is indeed vanilla (and not retroactively trying to say she's a cowboy and was bluffing odd or something), then I don't think she's scum. Because to a Liberty/Odd scumteam, it would make sense for them to think that all town had powers, like Odd said. It'd be really bold of scum-Liberty to claim to be vanilla right there without knowing whether vanilla town even existed or not. If there really are no vanilla towns, then kill Liberty.
I'm a 1-shot doctor, except the protection goes into effect the night after I use the power, rather than the same night. I used it last night so I'm now effectively vanilla. But if nobody dies tonight, you know why.
Reads:
Town: Atiya
Scummish: Liberty, Cave, CapH
@Ozzy: you and Liberty are the only people claiming to be vanilla right now, can you verify this post from Liberty looks like a vanilla role? https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/25509/?post=915329#post915329
I asked earlier but couldn't elaborate because without saying I wasn't vanilla. But anyway, if it can be confirmed that Liberty is indeed vanilla (and not retroactively trying to say she's a cowboy and was bluffing odd or something), then I don't think she's scum. Because to a Liberty/Odd scumteam, it would make sense for them to think that all town had powers, like Odd said. It'd be really bold of scum-Liberty to claim to be vanilla right there without knowing whether vanilla town even existed or not. If there really are no vanilla towns, then kill Liberty.
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
author=Cap_H
It's an easy take, but Gourd makes it easy to tr him.
It was funny because Gourd is confirmed. You don't have to read him, it's literally the theme of the game
Also if I were scheming with Odd to get Cave killed on D1, you would've seen Oddrabbit actually voting.
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACKauthor=psy_wombatswait what is this even in reference to. listed my top two choices so I'm starting to think you're not acting in good faith here.
(also not thrilled that he doesn't care about the vote outcome, but w/e)
Sorry, I mean /Odd/ appeared not to care about the vote outcome:
author=oddRABBIT
Apparently it's a thing.
If I die, it's whatever, but let me explain my role real quick. It's pretty simple, actually, albeit kinda really reliant on chance.
I can choose someone each night, and if they end up dying that night, then I get their ability for the next phase (if I'm reading it right). However, if I actually get the person who dies right, then I can't use the copy ability again.
The main thing I want to note is that the ability states that if the ability I copy is passive, then it will be in effect from the beginning of the next day, until the end of the next night.
I think what this implies is that nearly everyone has a power of some kind, dunno if I missed that in the rules text, or if I'm completely wrong. But yeah. Information.
That's all I had to say. I'm guessing CAVE's ability is a one-use power that lets him select a player to force votes between him and whoever he targeted... if that isn't obvious.
As for who you all want to vote for, it's whatever.
I'd be more weirded out if Odd didn't have a tendency to do that regardless of scum/town/situation. I'm not thinking it's that important.
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
author=Liberty
That said, I've been alluding to the name of my role pretty blatantly. Bog standard boy of the cow, I'm afraid.
@Liberty: why do you mention this? (and how/why have you been alluding to it?) and @Ozzy does this look at all strange to you?
also @Ozzy: I brought up the tie thing there because that's the first time I realized it, and I thought with everyone panicking to avoid a tie, everyone else had misunderstood as well. Because both Cave and Odd dying there would've been absolutely fine, in my opinion.
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACKI really have no idea what would lead him to do this regardless of alignment, but that the name of the role is something cave would prefer to keep concealed makes me think Odd's speculation is relevant.You're going to have to explain your thought process here more. If I was on a scumteam with Odd and wanted to keep my role secret, I'm not sure what the point of having him speculate about it in public would be. I'm more interested in why you're asking in the first place. Unless you have a list of all named roles in the game, this information shouldn't be of interest to you.
I don't think Odd speculating on your role was part of any sort of plan, just some sort of defense mechanism of Odd's where he regurgitated all the info he had. I could see your refusal to give the real role name and imply that it's multishot as a deliberate attempt to obfuscate that Odd had the "1-shot duelist/gunslinger" info because he was your scumpartner, vs it being speculation.
I mean, if you had asked me what your role name/ability was at that point in the game I probably would've provided the same answer, but I just don't understand why Odd thought that guessing your role name there was something productive to do. The only reason I can think of for scum-Odd to do this is try and appear insightful to town by presenting info he was sure of as something he was guessing (even if that info was useless). So if you had provided some other name than gunslinger/duelist, I'd have had to throw away this line of reasoning.
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