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Huh, so yeah, there is a way to win even with only two town votes if town #3 doesn't cast a vote -- the joker would be compelled to vote with town, break the 2/2 tie, and continue the game.


@Liberty: there is no reading that Clint could've gotten on Dyluck that would distinguish between jester and scum. "vanilla" just makes him less likely to be town, if that's what Clint was indicating at all. If you're also correct in thinking that alchemist is scum, wouldn't then "vanilla" and "no night action" readings on Dyluck make it more likely that he's jester?

Also if I were jester I would've counterclaimed you on day2



I would move to an Eggbert vote if we need to tie things up at EOD for Dyluck to cast the tiebreaker. Two votes now would put him in quickhammer range (unlikely but w/e). Also trying to decide how much of my opinion is tied up in "I don't want to lose to Ozzy" vs "Ozzy is acting like scum" -- I was really kind of thinking Ozzy was secretly the alchemist.

Alchemist should claim. Odd and Egg should post.
#cancel

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I thought it wasn't likely that there was only one scum because:
- They'd need a hell of a good role,. Stronger than spy. Then again two town PRs have dropped to back to back, so ??
- Mafia's ultimately a team game, or at least I always try to play to spot interactions. It seems like a bad setup to have only one scum.
But then again, I think joker setups are just bad in general (because anyone can yell I'M JOKER and get a 50/50 shot) or maybe Emily's counting is "two non-town people."

So, while I guess it's possible, I also don't think it's safe to end the game on a tie and cross our fingers.

I hadn't really noticed that about Eggbert although I really, really don't like that they haven't appeared since Dyluck's claim. It makes me think they're content to let the day end as is, which at this point I think only benefits Dyluck (almost certainly a bad thing) or reserving their vote (what I'm afraid of is both scum members withholding until the last couple minutes and forcing some sort of tie, which would be really really easy with a scum voter on Dyluck).

Odd I do believe is constrained by his schedule regardless of alignment, but, if there are two scum and he's town, we /need/ him to put down a vote to survive. Which applies to Eggbert as well, and unfortunately Liberty a well who is still on Dyluck.

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#cancel
#vote OddRabbit

Odd -- I need to know whether you're alchemist, and I need you to vote at least once this game.

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I voted for WaKa over Dyluck yesterday solely because I thought Dyluck was the joker. And lo and behold he is the joker.

I should also point out I've been towny to null on you for days 1-3, minus my d1 jokepost.
author=psy_wombats
Ozzy's roleclaim is very very dubious in that it's unproveable negative utility... and there's multiple town roles with actual (mild) positive utility out there. But I don't think his actions so far have been at all scummy, minus throwing a vote at me..

author=psy_wombats
Given that, I just don't think spy and alchemist have much utility, regardless of alignment, to the point where Ozzy's claim doesn't ring alarm bells for being strictly negative utility.

author=psy_wombats
I'm town-y on Ozzy as well (if less a bit now) so guess that's a wash.

and this entire thing https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/26033/?post=928512#post928512

Mainly what's changed is clint's flip making the role look dubious at best. You're suuure you're not the alchemist?

I'm also curious who your second scum would be if you assume I'm town. Eggbert/Odd? (I'm definitely not buying Liberty)

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also, if you want to do something productive Ozzy, pitch me who the joker is in your envisioned setup.

I realize if you're scum you can't actually scumhunt, but at least don't throw the game to the joker.

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you mean, reverse- reverse- psychology. If CapH were posting, he'd be talking about WIFOM.

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author=OzzyTheOne
My main problem is if I take my vote off, I might be in a position where I would want to hammer, and I don't want to hammer because that kills me.

You beat me with canceling -- thank you -- but really town shouldn't be worried about being a priest. Especially today, a hammer is unlikely from anyone but the joker casting a survival vote. For town-Ozzy to hammer scum, it'd require both other town votes PLUS a joker or scum vote already on the scum. And anyway, in this case, what you'd want to do is have one of the other towns unvote, you vote, and then they hammer instead. I'll be around at the deadline.

I don't think scum-Ozzy is actually a priest but that would be extremely funny.

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Here's what the end of today should like:

1. Two of Oddrabbit, Eggbertx, and Liberty-who-has-come-to-her-senses join me in voting against Ozzy. (the one who doesn't is the other scum)
2. The game is then tied at 3 votes for Ozzy, 3 votes for Dyluck
3. Dyluck, as the joker, realizes that the day ending in a tie would result in a scum victory and his loss
4. Dyluck then switches his vote to Ozzy, scumkill get, play continues tomorrow

If the alchemist claims then my vote my change, but that's about it.

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As I said previously today, I can't tell /what/ Clint was breadcrumbing. I /think/ he was breadcrumbing "not vanilla" but as Liberty pointed out, he could've been crumbing Eggbertx rather than Dyluck even. If you think Clint's post is clear and unambiguous, you're willfully misinterpreting it.

Other stuff to consider: if Dyluck isn't joker... who is? That person would be about to lose right now. Do you see anyone else making a desperation play?



5/2/1 is definitely not LYLO by the way. The joker can vote with town to extend the game, doc/joker/whatever can stop nightkills, and this wouldn't be the first game Emily's run with town roles that affect ties. Not to mention it'd be ridiculous for town to be in a do-or-die after literally one passed daykill.

oh, yeah, and if you were 100% certain that I'm scum and Dyluck could be bluffing town, then if you were town you would probably would've want to move your vote off of him yeah? rather than risking that odd or eggbertx would call that bluff as soon as they show up?

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alright I'll be back tomorrow. TLDR:

@Oddrabbit @Eggbertx: please say whether or not you're the alchemist
@Liberty @Ozzy: on the offchance he's bluffing town please unvote dyluck before someone quickhammers him