Heartache 101 ~Sour into Sweet~

Fun fact: I piccked Mayumi and Sayumi for the twins just because they randomly appeared while playing generic unnamed chars (for precisly the cause of being provided with names). They seemed to sound nice, and they seemed to be fitting for twins because they are almost identical.

Later I read that Mayumi might be very well chosen for her character (let's assume that Mayumi is the transcription of 真 由 美, which acccording to the english wikipedia means "truth, reason, beauty") - some german source claimed that "Yu" might be the transcription of a Kanji glyph meaning "justice" which would fit her even better ... but it did not show me the glyph, so ...

According to a less verfiable source, Sayumi might be the transcript of 寿 由 美 (the first glyph should mean "joyous", the other two are the same as above).

Unless me and my sources are completely wrong, of course.

When <player> is reading notes with references to the Day of Gold, Day of Wood, etc, there is no accompanying thought-process about <player>'s knowledge of the those being references to the days of the week. In fact, his response to the first note, is, literally...

Hmm, there's something written on the paper in bright pink marker....
"Day of Gold".
What's <i>that</i> supposed to mean?
Is it Golden Week already? No, I'm pretty sure it isn't.

...this. His mind jumps to Golden Week, and makes no attempt to make any kind of other reference, or that another reference is even possible. To the best of my knowledge, he makes no attempt to associate the references in the other notes. Though, it's possible he might not care to make that association. Mostly, he wants to know know who's writing those notes, and why.

author=Garage
Yes. But should a Japanese kid notice the relationship or not? Like with an European/American kid reading something about "Day Of The Moon". In most European languages (that I know) there's a small step to take from there to "Monday", but it's not really hard to get. Even less so if you learnt it in school (a few years back maybe).

I'd say it's pretty excusable the first time through, under the circumstances. However, I do question the idea of not putting the pieces together as the additional ones appear periodically.

author=Garage

author=dewelar

author=Garage
Yes. But should a Japanese kid notice the relationship or not? Like with an European/American kid reading something about "Day Of The Moon". In most European languages (that I know) there's a small step to take from there to "Monday", but it's not really hard to get. Even less so if you learnt it in school (a few years back maybe).

I'd say it's pretty excusable the first time through, under the circumstances. However, I do question the idea of not putting the pieces together as the additional ones appear periodically.

In short: if ... say ... Himeko tells him something like "hey stupid, that's a weekday" ... that would not be out of line, would it?

Nope.

I'm thinking there could be a little bit of preface with <player>'s thoughts as a segue into the accompanying scene. Such as...

ID = 0
(Well, no sense worrying about Sayumi! I'll just have to see if Mayumi'll will tell me what I need to know.)
ID = --
Meanwhile at the twins' home...
PICTURE = WingGirl/Home Int Sakuragi.png
# Insert rest of story.

...this. You may want to mention the issue at hand in <player>'s thought-bubble. However, I can understand if you don't want to say anything specific in this thread because SPOILERS.

Somehow I missed this when it was originally posted.

author=Garage

author=dewelar
Phonetically, it would come out to "ku-ra-u-su ma-i-ne" (クラウス マイネ). Unless you're listening closely, the only major difference would be the Japanese "l/r" consonant sound replacing the "l", as the "ku" and "su" vowels would be almost subvocalizations.

Your link seems to get murdered somewhere between your post and me clicking it.

So I see. I'd intended to link to the article for Klaus Meine on Wikipedia Japan.

author=Garage
Ah - the transcription seems to be based on the english pronouncation ... but with vowels from romanic languages ... so the "i" in "Riho" should be somewhat like that in "river" or "like". Sigh - at least if it's "Hepburn romanization" we are talking about ...

The problem is that, in English, "river" and "like" have very different sounding "i" sounds, and neither sounds like the "i" in "Riho" would. The standard Japanese vowel sounds are similar to those in Spanish, so "i" would be more like the English long "e", but somewhat clipped (for a true long "e" you need to extend the sound, which is Anglicized as "ii" or sometimes "ī").

author=dewelar
So I see. I'd intended to link to the article for Klaus Meine on Wikipedia Japan.

Yeah - I figured that, eventually.

author=dewelar
The problem is that, in English, "river" and "like" have very different sounding "i" sounds, and neither sounds like the "i" in "Riho" would. The standard Japanese vowel sounds are similar to those in Spanish, so "i" would be more like the English long "e", but somewhat clipped (for a true long "e" you need to extend the sound, which is Anglicized as "ii" or sometimes "ī").

The real problem is, that I should stop assuming anything about English pronounciation ... (at least without checking it thrice and then another four times) ;)

So "Riho" would sound almost like me (being German) would pronounce it anyway?
Or - if that's easier for you - like the Spanish word for river (rio), but with an audible "h" in the middle?

Maybe with the initial "r" sounding ... more like a mixture between l and r?

Suppose the following situation: Kazuhiko and Mayumi have never become more then losely acquainted (they met, he failed, she lost interest for weeks).

For what ever reason (that I will not detail here) she has to talk to Himeko.
This leads to the following (simplyfied) fragment:


Is there a way to indicate that she is using a more formal languange here then she would normally use? Like, she wants to make absolutely clear that she feels ... honor-bound to that vow and respects his friendship with Himeko?

author=dewelar

author=Garage
Is there a way to indicate that she is using a more formal languange here then she would normally use? Like, she wants to make absolutely clear that she feels ... honor-bound to that vow and respects his friendship with Himeko?

There is, but it doesn't really translate well to English. You should probably just have Kazuhiko indicate in his internal monologue that he can tell she's being particularly formal and be suitably affected by her sincerity.

Hm. His current reaction is:

author=Kazuhiko
(That does sound sincere - if a bit melodramatic.)
...
OK. Talk to her. Tell her I said she can trust you.

That should do then, for the time being.

author=Garage

author=Marrend
For some reason, I've always envisioned Ruri saying "Mew" rather than "May-ew"

Ruri says "Mew"? Or meows? Did I miss something? Hmm search for "mew" (whole word) in Uchioniko yields:

"Search "mew" (0 hits in 0 files)"

It would be as if any instance of "Mayu" Ruri would say be said as "Mew"? However, this is a very internal thing, and don't worry about it.

author=dewelar, snipped
...it would be more like "Mah-yew".

Hrm. Yeah, that might make sense. I remember being somewhat surprised by the pronunciation of "Aya" in The Third Birthday as well.