OUT OF CONTROL COPS - A SERIOUS PROBLEM IN AMERICA

Anyhow, you wanted citations. Training Day,

uhhh there was an overwhelmingly negative reaction from cuban-americans to scarface.

training day is a movie about a dirty cop that eventually gets killed because he keeps doing crimes. the moral of the movie is not how cool crime is, it's 'don't be bad or you will become dead.' it doesn't glamorize crime. it just depicts it. that's like saying photos of the ostfront glamorize russia under stalin.
the idea that movies are a significant factor in the populace committing crimes is ridiculous. socioeconomic factors are so many orders of magnitude more important as to render the influence of movies/tv/games meaningless.

I don't know what numbers you decided to hold high but not link to, but...

the ones I already linked? this doesn't matter. crime rates are lower than they have been in decades. the rate at which police officers feloniously killed in the US is also just getting lower. over 100 in 1996, ~50 in 2005, ~30 in 2013. if I was a cop, the threat of being killed would probably be the thing that I would be stressed out about, but it appears to not be an issue.
more fun, again http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html

the reason why so many cops are ‘out of control’ is because there is zero accountability due to police unions defending their actions, seemingly no matter how extreme, a lack of civilian community oversight boards, the militarization of the police, the for-profit prison system, and the criminalization of...being poor. not ufcking denzel washington and rap music.

http://www.policefoundation.org/content/body-worn-camera

the study done in rialto, california decreased complaints against officers by 88 percent and officers’ use of force by 60 percent in the twelve months it was conducted. as far as i know, having a camera on you doesn’t magically deter gang violence from existing, so the reason for these numbers must be something else.

or maybe there's something else stressing them out XD http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/06/201162114131825860.html

Everyone else just wants crucifixions. Primitive justice, wheeee.

well, i wouldnt want to crucify all cops 666 if you would stop equating black people with nazis!! or we could talk about things people have actually said.

Nah, just gonna agree that while we don't want to crucify, any actual lasting ramifications from killing unarmed, innocent people would be a good fucking idea. You know, to send a message to those cops who deliberately do the same thing over and over that shit won't be tolerated.

Oh, and about he public scrutiny thing? Less Kardashians, more pointing out ethics violations and kicking up a fuss when bullshit goes down would be nice. Instead of all the current "Move along, nothing to see here, look Kardashian ass, enjoy, cops killing kids? nope, none of that around here, no siree nelly! Oh look, some actress must be cheating on her husband because she went swimming with a male friend! shooting on the streets? don't be silly, we're not IRAQ OMG LOOK BOMBS AND TERRORISTS OH BOY IS IT GREAT TO BE FREE AND AMERICAN!!!! JUST IGNORE ANY SCREAMING YOU HEAR BACK THERE, NO PELTING INNOCENT CIVILIANS WITH TEAR GAS OR RUBBER BULLETS CHECK OUT BEYONCE'S NEW ALBULM!!!"

And yes, the media has a hell of a lot of blame in this in that they actively cover these stories up and divert attention from them where-ever possible. Then they go out of their way to paint the innocents as 'thugs' and 'deserving' in some way of what happened.
Just look at the differences between how they reported Mike Brown's death and how they reported the latest school shooting. (This is a race thing, though, and not new. They've always portrayed non-white people as bad, demonizing them at every opportunity. Black kid gets killed - suddenly it's all about how he was troubled in school and picked fights, as though that makes him or her worthy of being killed. But let a white boy shoot up a school and suddenly it's all 'he was so promising with such a bright future' and 'there must be a reason for him to have done this, he was such a good boy'. Hell, just the photos they show of them are completely different - the black kid always gets the 'gangta-ist' photo printed while the white kid has one that shows them dressed in the best with a huge grin. It's bullshit and the media should be held accountable as well.)


That said, the cops need to be held accountable most of all because they are fucking trained for this shit. They are not supposed to break their own fucking rules, which they are all taught and swore to abide by. Yes, they should be crucified when they deliberately do the wrong fucking thing. Just like everyone else is. Equality, mother fuckers, do you know of it? Because I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be something that America espouses as a fundamental right or some shit.

No, it's not hard to figure out that shooting someone from fuckton away who didn't have a weapon, choking a guy to death, chasing a car when told not to, shooting a person who had their back turned, covering up the deaths of key witnesses in a case (2 of Mike Brown's witnesses have been killed btw - something I'm sure a lot of people don't know), kidnapping and beating a young girl, beating someone who was in handcuffs while in jail then not giving first aid and allowing him to bleed for hours on end because he wanted photos documenting the state they left him in, shooting an old man then planting evidence of drugs in his house to 'give a legit reason', trying to cover up the shooting of a young child in their grandmother's home by falsely blaming the grandmother and many, many other examples... is the wrong fucking thing and against not only their own rules but the rules of a society that prides itself on freedom and equality (even if there is little truth in those claims).

It's not so much her ass that is a problem, just that celebrities and their lives are used as a distraction for the more important stories that should be focussed on.

And Harmonic, you bring up another point I tried to make. We hear about all of this rioting, and in most cases, we're seeing the police drawing first blood.

Nashville, Tennessee's police force refuses arm against protests, operating under the theory that it's the people's constitutional right. NO RIOTS IN NASHVILLE! Gee, I wonder what's different there (sarcasm)?

author=harmonic
I remember you posting that conspiracy theory video that the police were actually behind all the fires in Ferguson.

Good stuff.

The really upsetting thing is, we know police do insert themselves into protests and incite riots. It's a common tactic, they're caught from time to time, and are often praised. That video disturbs, because on the night of indictment, there were indeed a series of fires that were started away from the main protests, were heavily covered by the news media, and were highly coordinated. News agents heavily speculated at how organized the fires were. "I don't think the police expected this." I personally think it was the KKK and I even said to my family when we were watching the new reports of the fires. "The KKK are the ones doing this." Anonymous outed many of them as being Ferguson police officers, and even if no police were involved, the KKK can certainly get that kind of gear (it's not as if it's illegal to purchase and the KKK aren't exactly hurting for funds).

author=Liberty
You know, to send a message to those cops who deliberately do the same thing over and over that shit won't be tolerated.

Which brings us back to the original problem scenario. If you destroy a cop's career and life, his fellows will see that and be less likely to, yes, do stupid shit, but also to place themselves in any potentially dangerous situation at all. If all your years of service can be undone in a single heated moment then why take the risk? Stick to the speeding tickets, domestic disputes and traffic directing. When a call comes in, drive a little slower to the scene. Just gotta make it to year 20 for the pension. 30 if I get a desk job.

I agree, there are inexcusable situations of blatant and intended misuse of power. And the coverups that go along with them speak volumes to an institutional problem, much like pianotm's post regarding the cop being fired for not resorting to force. Within the Law Enforcement system, there is a very serious cognitive cancer. So what are we to do about that?

Training Day

Honestly, any more time spent on this subject is a waste. Based on your replies, I have absolutely zero confidence that you'll ever 'get it'. It's like, if you were asked to do an essay about the values expressed in Disney's Sleeping Beauty, you would come back with "good vs evil" and that's it.

Otherwise, look at the community Alonzo lives in, not Alonzo himself.

crucifixions

This was a metaphor, you know.
Crucifixion (no, I'm not talking about Jesus... or nazis(?)) was considered the harshest form of punishment in it's time. The act was abhorrent, even by society's values back then, but still done anyway because it was an expression of how severe the crime was considered. Wishing crucifixion on someone would be like wishing death by fire or torture now.
Ergo, I was pointing out that all you're interested in is punishing the offending police officers, like how after 9/11, everyone wanted to punish those Palestinians who were dancing in the streets. Just a reactionary hankering to avenge some distant hurt of yours.

a "heated moment" where an unarmed teenage boy (that had a whole life ahead of him) was killed in cold blood for practically nothing versus a middle-aged police officer (with weapons, backup, and various methods of properly handling the situation) who said he would kill again if he had to. darren wilson got a lot of money from his supporters and will likely be living a very comfortable life. don't you worry your pretty little mind about him

no police officer is the arbiter that decides life or death for another person unless the person is posing imminent and/or great danger to others

darren wilson's "bruises" (aka the very minor abrasions darren wilson would've likely inflicted on himself, since he had both the time and support from the abhorrent investigation to do so. i mean it looks like rosacea to me...) are still not enough for him to kill anyone

i've never been done wrong by police officers and respect them for their work in a difficult and risky profession, but in the end the brutality and misconduct needs to stop. of course it isn't likely to completely go away ever, but that isn't an excuse

On the movie subject, Boonie and Clyde (1967) would be an example of a film that glorifies crime.

Anyway, the Justice Department is allegedly bringing an end to racial profiling. They've already posted the new guidelines.

author=harmonic
Getting involved publicly in specific cases that the media has hyped up, for example - telling us that "Trayvon would look like his son" - ridiculously irresponsible and overstepping of his bounds in his current role. It just stirs people up unnecessarily.

You seem to be correct on that observation, harmonic. Provided his interjection on these matters are intentional, what is the president's motive?

author=Dyhalto
As for jail time and pension repealing... what for? So other people can feel good? Discharge and debarment from law enforcement will suffice.

He's already left "for the sake of public health". He's also getting money thrown at him by supporters.

author=Dyhalto
naive, impetuous and abrasive : The very epitome of modern Leftists.

Right-wingers really need to step away from their bibles long enough to clean their mirrors.