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A CIVIL GARDEN PARTY ~ 2K3 DISCUSSION
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Close(Kentona):"Changing a mass of people's behaviour is hard." : as 2k3 goes, I don't even think it's a good idea (oops?)
(LockeZ):"(In truth it depends on the personality of the person you're talking to/writing to/stabbing.)"
"In truth", I'd say it mostly depends on the person who's "talking/writing/stabbing".
(LockeZ):"(In truth it depends on the personality of the person you're talking to/writing to/stabbing.)"
"In truth", I'd say it mostly depends on the person who's "talking/writing/stabbing".
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I heard someone say once that they heard from a source they couldn't remember that as many people die from seatbelts as are saved by them!
Moral beliefs are a whole different can of beans - changing those is basically impossible. But changing someone's belief about which piece of software is more convenient and less problematic? Yeah, okay, that's not a big deal. Some people kneejerk against new things and some people kneejerk against old things, but given a complete list of pros and cons and some time to consider, I feel like people aren't going to really care that much about anything but the logic.
But to a lot of people, they don't care enough about the software one way or the other to listen to the arguments. Their belief is that they will save more time and headache and frustration by ignoring the arguments than they will by switching software. And, well, needless to say, that's hard to argue with.
Moral beliefs are a whole different can of beans - changing those is basically impossible. But changing someone's belief about which piece of software is more convenient and less problematic? Yeah, okay, that's not a big deal. Some people kneejerk against new things and some people kneejerk against old things, but given a complete list of pros and cons and some time to consider, I feel like people aren't going to really care that much about anything but the logic.
But to a lot of people, they don't care enough about the software one way or the other to listen to the arguments. Their belief is that they will save more time and headache and frustration by ignoring the arguments than they will by switching software. And, well, needless to say, that's hard to argue with.
To anybody who thought that was a sob story, I was just responded to UPRC. Look at my user title. I'm a supervillain and enjoying it.
kentona stop trying to leave again
Holbwin's Law of RMN: by the seventh page of a topic, Craze will bring up VXPAce, LockeZ will bring up something about his projects/motiviations, chana will say something indecipherable, some random by-gone member will come back to post one single, small post, kentona will attempt to leave the community again, and geodude will write something in all lowercase that he thinks is witty.
regarding MORALS holy shit people
this has nothing to do with MORALS, it is about a group of stubborn people on a website being stubborn.
kentona stop trying to leave again
Holbwin's Law of RMN: by the seventh page of a topic, Craze will bring up VXPAce, LockeZ will bring up something about his projects/motiviations, chana will say something indecipherable, some random by-gone member will come back to post one single, small post, kentona will attempt to leave the community again, and geodude will write something in all lowercase that he thinks is witty.
regarding MORALS holy shit people
this has nothing to do with MORALS, it is about a group of stubborn people on a website being stubborn.
Darken
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author=feld
In a perfect world, I'd love to see more Necropolis' and Exit Fates, but in the real world where people have limited time, hobbies are hobbies, and in the end like it was mentioned before, it doesn't really matter to the players, I am well, pretty 'alright' with the way things are. Change, positive change is organic and rather slow, which brings me to my next point...
Eh, the point I'm trying to make is that if it's a HOBBY. Then why care about graphical standards when making your own graphics? People should add more personal things into their own game, not just graphics but um just really down to earth stuff. Seems we have a really bad pseudo professionalism going on. I can't help but think all this focus on mapping, light effects, sought out anime facesets, japanese site scavenging proper system sets, scripts that make your title screen pretty and fluffy, etc. seem more effort than just making your own crude stuff.
I just think a lot people aren't taking risks with their creativity. It's an amateur site, you're not going to get mad pussy for adhering to the RPG Maker standard (only kentona is capable of that).
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Holbwin's Law of RMN: by the seventh page of a topic, Craze will bring up VXPAce, LockeZ will bring up something about his projects/motiviations, chana will say something indecipherable, some random by-gone member will come back to post one single, small post, kentona will attempt to leave the community again, and geodude will write something in all lowercase that he thinks is witty.Everything I say is because I am trying to help people
Seems we have a really bad pseudo professionalism going on.How is that bad? Indie games are really pretty popular! You can sell it if you make it good enough, maybe even get a real job making video games at a large game design company.
author=LockeZHolbwin's Law of RMN: by the seventh page of a topic, Craze will bring up VXPAce, LockeZ will bring up something about his projects/motiviations, chana will say something indecipherable, some random by-gone member will come back to post one single, small post, kentona will attempt to leave the community again, and geodude will write something in all lowercase that he thinks is witty.Everything I say is because I am trying to help people
Don't forget about our little chat about 'tact' though!
I so much agree, in particular with the following statements :
(Darken) : "Seems we have a really bad pseudo professionalism going on."
and :
"I just think a lot people aren't taking risks with their creativity ."
and, if they aren't, what's the use of all this ?
(Darken) : "Seems we have a really bad pseudo professionalism going on."
and :
"I just think a lot people aren't taking risks with their creativity ."
and, if they aren't, what's the use of all this ?
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
author=kentonaYou were supposed to threaten to leave the community there, kentona.author=LockeZDon't forget about our little chat about 'tact' though!Holbwin's Law of RMN: by the seventh page of a topic, Craze will bring up VXPAce, LockeZ will bring up something about his projects/motiviations, chana will say something indecipherable, some random by-gone member will come back to post one single, small post, kentona will attempt to leave the community again, and geodude will write something in all lowercase that he thinks is witty.Everything I say is because I am trying to help people
Edit: Oh, so you did. This topic is moving at nearly 4chan level speeds and I missed it. By the time I type a reply there are six above me.
I had been wondering, if your project already took that many years to complete, is it because of features that you can literally do in just a day or even less in VXP/Ace or because you're taking forever with mapping or something else?
I moved out of 2k3 when I found out that the features I want to do was less buggy and speedy in the new makers. So I was thinking how it is for everyone '_')
I moved out of 2k3 when I found out that the features I want to do was less buggy and speedy in the new makers. So I was thinking how it is for everyone '_')
TheNecromancer
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author=Archeia_Nessiah
I had been wondering, if your project already took that many years to complete, is it because of features that you can literally do in just a day or even less in VXP/Ace or because you're taking forever with mapping or something else?
I moved out of 2k3 when I found out that the features I want to do was less buggy and speedy in the new makers. So I was thinking how it is for everyone '_')
Technically my project started 7 years ago and sat on a CD for about 4 years. Then I would work on it periodically, sometimes taking 6 month breaks. For me it was never about fighting with the functionality of the engine or anything. It was more me fighting with my short attention span and starting endless new projects and trying new makers(AGS, SMBX, Sphere) or just feeling burnt out on game making in general. Gonna try Gamemaker soon, I hope haha Squirrel! *runs off*
Then again I never made many straight up RPGs and stupidly try to make action games in 2k3 xD If I tried to make a Zelda game in VXace, how many new features would actually benefit me, I wonder? I always assumed that the majority of upgrades had to do with in battle visuals and formulas and skills.
The only good RM* action game is Avarice and it's pushing it. Use GM, seriously.
And yes, you'll have to code. It's intimidating, but supposedly I'm a stupid, immoral, evil, worthless meanie-head and I can do it, so...
And yes, you'll have to code. It's intimidating, but supposedly I'm a stupid, immoral, evil, worthless meanie-head and I can do it, so...
Take a look at those who started in RM and are now in 'The Industry'. How many are there?
I know for a fact that Kamau - yes, the creator of the once much-loved but now looked-down-apon Legion Saga series - is. And... I think there were only a couple of others? Yeah.
Chances are they made the games they wanted to make and fuck the rest of the community.
I know for a fact that Kamau - yes, the creator of the once much-loved but now looked-down-apon Legion Saga series - is. And... I think there were only a couple of others? Yeah.
Chances are they made the games they wanted to make and fuck the rest of the community.
Large
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Kamau is in The Industry?
....bringing coffee to people?
I hated Legion Saga with its cliches and Suikoden/Berserk ripoffs... but I still beat them all. Pity on me.
....bringing coffee to people?
I hated Legion Saga with its cliches and Suikoden/Berserk ripoffs... but I still beat them all. Pity on me.
Lys/Lysander of A Blurred Line fame works on Lord of the Rings Online and worked on Dungeons & Dragons Online, as a quest designer for both.
Sei/ForeverAnIllFate is working on a game for iOS.
SovanJedi does commercial pixel art; go buy/play Knightfall now plzkthnx.
harmonic sells his games, Deadly Sin and Deadly Sin 2.
Sei/ForeverAnIllFate is working on a game for iOS.
SovanJedi does commercial pixel art; go buy/play Knightfall now plzkthnx.
harmonic sells his games, Deadly Sin and Deadly Sin 2.
