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LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK, IN A NOVEL WAY. PLEASE HELP!
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Raoul589
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CloseHello, RPG Making community!
I was hoping to try something out with those who are willing.
I am currently making an RPG maker game, and I am looking for some feedback. I understand there is a traditional process for getting feedback from the community, but...
I am very curious about getting some blind feedback. To be specific, I would like to know how a random RPG enthusiast would respond to my game, as it is now, if they knew nothing about it beforehand. In this way, I hope to get a genuine, unprejudiced response to my game.
I will say two things: it is made in RPGVX, and it is not complete. Beyond that, I am not going to tell you anything else about the game. I hope this will allow me, the game designer, to get a kind of feedback which is normally unavailable when the player's experience is coloured or altered by what they have read or heard before they play it.
I want your honest opinion of my game, no matter what that opinion is.
Here is the game: GAME LINK
(Requires the RPG VX RTP).
I intend to make a formal submission of this game to this site eventually. However, it is only possible for me to obtain genuinely unprejudiced feedback before I have done so. Incidentally, it is possible (though highly unlikely) that you may have seen my game somewhere else. If so, I thank you a lot for playing it, but obviously I can't get the unprejudiced opinion I seek from you.
Incidentally, I would be excited to try the same thing for someone else's game. If you would like me to look at your game, send me a link and I will play it with the same intentions of going in blind. Expect totally honest feedback, though.
I was hoping to try something out with those who are willing.
I am currently making an RPG maker game, and I am looking for some feedback. I understand there is a traditional process for getting feedback from the community, but...
I am very curious about getting some blind feedback. To be specific, I would like to know how a random RPG enthusiast would respond to my game, as it is now, if they knew nothing about it beforehand. In this way, I hope to get a genuine, unprejudiced response to my game.
I will say two things: it is made in RPGVX, and it is not complete. Beyond that, I am not going to tell you anything else about the game. I hope this will allow me, the game designer, to get a kind of feedback which is normally unavailable when the player's experience is coloured or altered by what they have read or heard before they play it.
I want your honest opinion of my game, no matter what that opinion is.
Here is the game: GAME LINK
(Requires the RPG VX RTP).
I intend to make a formal submission of this game to this site eventually. However, it is only possible for me to obtain genuinely unprejudiced feedback before I have done so. Incidentally, it is possible (though highly unlikely) that you may have seen my game somewhere else. If so, I thank you a lot for playing it, but obviously I can't get the unprejudiced opinion I seek from you.
Incidentally, I would be excited to try the same thing for someone else's game. If you would like me to look at your game, send me a link and I will play it with the same intentions of going in blind. Expect totally honest feedback, though.
Biggamefreak
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You should release a demo on RPGMaker.net, so we can get a secure download to start. I personally won't even click on that foreign link. If gamers get a demo of the beginning gameplay, you can get some insight. If your game can't give gamers a decent opening your game either is not good enough yet, or your game is not built that way. The former thought might be a better way to think.
Make a demo submission here on this website. The demo will be considered "good enough" if accepted, and then people can test your game and give you their initial thoughts.
Make a demo submission here on this website. The demo will be considered "good enough" if accepted, and then people can test your game and give you their initial thoughts.
Raoul589
709
Darn... what a depressing response. Where has the trust in humanity gone? If I release a demo, with an associated game page, the whole point of what I am trying to do will be defeated. I was hoping to get blind feedback because I think it would be interesting to see what people think when they know nothing about a game. For example, whenever I go to see a movie, I try my best to learn as little as possible about it beforehand, so that I can enjoy it as it is on its own, my experience uncorrupted by things like looking for scenes that were in the trailer, or what other people have said about it, or widespread hype, and so on.
As applied to homebrew RPGs, there is some feedback a game designer can only get in this way. For instance, is the story comprehensible on its own, without looking at a written plot summary on the game's download page? What about the characters? Does the player know who they are if they don't have a cheat sheet to go back to? Are the controls clear without written instructions? Is the game opening enjoyable enough for a player to want to continue, even when they have no idea what is to come? To what extent do other people's comments affect the player's response? What about screenshots? Or scripts used? All of these things I do not know about own my game, and they would be useful to know.
In short, I think it would be interesting to see what response a game would get when all the sparkles are stripped away, and it is laid bare to be experienced untainted. I honestly think that this would be a useful type of feedback for all game designers, not just myself. I meant this post partly as a declaration of this new idea. Best case scenario, I could have kickstarted a discussion about a new type of game design feeback. Worst case... what actually happened.
Go ahead and virus scan at every stage of the download process. There's nothing sinister here. Anyway, how inefficient would it be to try to disseminate malware through a post in the help section of an RPG maker forum? My thread has been viewed by a total of 40 people. In fact, it would probably be more effective, malware wise, to upload the game as you say. That way more people would download it, and their guard would be down, since most people probably don't virus scan things they download from this site. Whoops! I've said too much!
I didn't mean to scare anyone. Clearly the idea which excited me so when I first had it doesn't really appeal to anyone else. My secondary offer still stands. If there is anyone out there who would like me to play their game blind and tell them what I think, I'd still like to do so.
As applied to homebrew RPGs, there is some feedback a game designer can only get in this way. For instance, is the story comprehensible on its own, without looking at a written plot summary on the game's download page? What about the characters? Does the player know who they are if they don't have a cheat sheet to go back to? Are the controls clear without written instructions? Is the game opening enjoyable enough for a player to want to continue, even when they have no idea what is to come? To what extent do other people's comments affect the player's response? What about screenshots? Or scripts used? All of these things I do not know about own my game, and they would be useful to know.
In short, I think it would be interesting to see what response a game would get when all the sparkles are stripped away, and it is laid bare to be experienced untainted. I honestly think that this would be a useful type of feedback for all game designers, not just myself. I meant this post partly as a declaration of this new idea. Best case scenario, I could have kickstarted a discussion about a new type of game design feeback. Worst case... what actually happened.
Go ahead and virus scan at every stage of the download process. There's nothing sinister here. Anyway, how inefficient would it be to try to disseminate malware through a post in the help section of an RPG maker forum? My thread has been viewed by a total of 40 people. In fact, it would probably be more effective, malware wise, to upload the game as you say. That way more people would download it, and their guard would be down, since most people probably don't virus scan things they download from this site. Whoops! I've said too much!
I didn't mean to scare anyone. Clearly the idea which excited me so when I first had it doesn't really appeal to anyone else. My secondary offer still stands. If there is anyone out there who would like me to play their game blind and tell them what I think, I'd still like to do so.
papasan96
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I'm sure it would be a nice idea for you. But...from the point of view of a player, why would someone do it except out of the goodness of their heart? What I mean is, people choose and play games for their own enjoyment. Demos, screenshots, reviews etc. help people decide what games to download. If a player likes a game but it has faults, they will provide feedback in order for the developer to fix the faults and make the game more enjoyable for the player.
The point is, especially since you seem to have no other games on rpgmaker.net for people to compare with, most would need more of incentive to go to the trouble of downloading the demo, possibly downloaded the VXace RTP, playing it and giving feedback to you for a game that could, as far as we know, be a pile of crap (and I am in no way saying it is). Most developers here would kill for decent feedback, but you've got to earn it by making people want to play your game.
So I basically agree with Biggamefreak. You'll probably find someone here willing to do it though, so I guess for you it's worth a try.
The point is, especially since you seem to have no other games on rpgmaker.net for people to compare with, most would need more of incentive to go to the trouble of downloading the demo, possibly downloaded the VXace RTP, playing it and giving feedback to you for a game that could, as far as we know, be a pile of crap (and I am in no way saying it is). Most developers here would kill for decent feedback, but you've got to earn it by making people want to play your game.
So I basically agree with Biggamefreak. You'll probably find someone here willing to do it though, so I guess for you it's worth a try.
Raoul589
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Well, I have offered to play anyone else's game under the same conditions, and without any mutual obligation implied. I meant my original post as much an offer of help as a request for it. Would you like me to play your game blind, papasan96 or Biggamefreak? Because I would. I honestly think it would be interesting. Clearly that really is just me, but at the time I first posted I didn't realise that would be the case.
Please take into account that I am asking this in the help section of the forums. The only reason anyone would answer any question in the help section is out of the goodness of their hearts; there's no 'benefit to the player' in replying to any of the threads in here. If you don't want to help me out, that's fine. But in that case, why have you come into a topic in the help forums just to berate me about how you don't want to help me? I don't understand why the only replies to my request for help are basically just me being told off for even daring to ask.
By now I'm sure that this thread has turned sufficiently sour for nothing good to come of it, and so I retreat. I apologise to any onlookers who I have upset with my conduct. Again, my original offer still stands, but it is probably more sensible to contact me directly at this point.
Please take into account that I am asking this in the help section of the forums. The only reason anyone would answer any question in the help section is out of the goodness of their hearts; there's no 'benefit to the player' in replying to any of the threads in here. If you don't want to help me out, that's fine. But in that case, why have you come into a topic in the help forums just to berate me about how you don't want to help me? I don't understand why the only replies to my request for help are basically just me being told off for even daring to ask.
By now I'm sure that this thread has turned sufficiently sour for nothing good to come of it, and so I retreat. I apologise to any onlookers who I have upset with my conduct. Again, my original offer still stands, but it is probably more sensible to contact me directly at this point.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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Uh the only difference between playing a game "blind" and playing it after reading a short description of it is that the latter person is more likely to play it. It doesn't affect how you play the game at all. So yeah just post the game and you will get some testers, cool beans.
I think the only person who thinks anything in this thread went sour is you, everyone else was basically like "yeah, sure, tell me what the game's about and if it's the kind of game I enjoy then sure I'll test it for you, no problem bro"
I think the only person who thinks anything in this thread went sour is you, everyone else was basically like "yeah, sure, tell me what the game's about and if it's the kind of game I enjoy then sure I'll test it for you, no problem bro"
I've played games without knowing one bit of information about it. Though, saying that, it was because I wasn't supposed to know anything about the game I was playing! I'm talking about the Secret Santa review event for 2011, and there was an event that involved the "Send Me In Coach!" button, though I don't recall any other details about it.
So, yeah, unless there's some kind of "Zero to Many" review challenge (Or whatever they are called) down the road, I'm thinking nobody would be willing to do a "blind" review.
So, yeah, unless there's some kind of "Zero to Many" review challenge (Or whatever they are called) down the road, I'm thinking nobody would be willing to do a "blind" review.
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