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INTEL DISCONTINUING SOCKETTED CPUS
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KingArthur
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Closehttp://www.zdnet.com/intel-preparing-to-put-an-end-to-user-replaceable-cpus-7000008024/
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/26/intel-kills-off-the-desktop-pcs-go-with-it/
Intel is moving over to "Ball Grid Array" CPUs with their upcoming Broadwell architecture CPUs coming out some time next year.
What this basically means is that Intel's new CPUs will now all come soldered onto their motherboards, there will be absolutely no way to change out CPUs like we can right now. For those of us that build our own computers and/or tinker with them, we can pretty much kiss the prospect (at least with regards to the CPU) goodbye. And no, socketted Intel CPUs won't be making any long-term comeback if those articles are any indication.
Yes, I know, the Intel Atom and their other mobile-type CPUs are also all soldered directly onto their motherboards, but this change actually holds legitimate implications for PC enthusiasts since the change is for "desktop" form-factors rather than the mobile market which was always restrictive due to space-constraints.
I sincerely hope AMD doesn't follow suit in this. Software is already getting more controlled and restricted by the likes of Apple and now Microsoft with Windows 8, and now the hardware unsurprisingly seems to be going in that direction as well.
Really, all I have to say is this: F*ck you, Intel.
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/26/intel-kills-off-the-desktop-pcs-go-with-it/
Intel is moving over to "Ball Grid Array" CPUs with their upcoming Broadwell architecture CPUs coming out some time next year.
What this basically means is that Intel's new CPUs will now all come soldered onto their motherboards, there will be absolutely no way to change out CPUs like we can right now. For those of us that build our own computers and/or tinker with them, we can pretty much kiss the prospect (at least with regards to the CPU) goodbye. And no, socketted Intel CPUs won't be making any long-term comeback if those articles are any indication.
Yes, I know, the Intel Atom and their other mobile-type CPUs are also all soldered directly onto their motherboards, but this change actually holds legitimate implications for PC enthusiasts since the change is for "desktop" form-factors rather than the mobile market which was always restrictive due to space-constraints.
I sincerely hope AMD doesn't follow suit in this. Software is already getting more controlled and restricted by the likes of Apple and now Microsoft with Windows 8, and now the hardware unsurprisingly seems to be going in that direction as well.
Really, all I have to say is this: F*ck you, Intel.
This dicks over MB manufacturers more than the end user. Personally, though, this doesn't affect me much. One, I've always been an AMD fan (they are usually equivalently powerful but cheaper) and two, I have yet to buy a processor independently of a motherboard. I've always treated a processor and MB purchase as a package deal, so having a processor soldered directly to a MB just saves me the step of socketing it myself, to tell you the truth. (and I ALWAYS get that epocxy gunk over my fingers whenever I do it. I have fat clumsy fingers)
The greater trend of more closed ecosystems is the bigger worry here.
The greater trend of more closed ecosystems is the bigger worry here.
UPRC
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author=kentona
This dicks over MB manufacturers more than the end user. Personally, though, this doesn't affect me much. One, I've always been an AMD fan (they are usually equivalently powerful but cheaper) and two, I have yet to buy a processor independently of a motherboard. I've always treated a processor and MB purchase as a package deal, so having a processor soldered directly to a MB just saves me the step of socketing it myself, to tell you the truth. (and I ALWAYS get that epocxy gunk over my fingers whenever I do it. I have fat clumsy fingers)
The greater trend of more closed ecosystems is the bigger worry here.
That is me in a nut shell. Won't affect me too much, if at all. Might bother a close friend of mine who is always tearing his computer apart and replacing parts.
Broadwell doesn't come out next year, that's Haswell. afaik Haswell will still be a separate CPU but it will be a socket change from Ivybridge.
Anyways what I don't like about this is how can affect what products are available. I know what CPU I need and I know what motherboard features I want. If the cpu and mobo are integrated though god knows what it takes to get what I want without paying absurd premiums for extra pointless features or unable to get it in the appropriate form factor like mATX.
It has the potential to not be a clusterfuck but all evidence of the current market points to 'ahahahahahaha of course it will be'.
Anyways what I don't like about this is how can affect what products are available. I know what CPU I need and I know what motherboard features I want. If the cpu and mobo are integrated though god knows what it takes to get what I want without paying absurd premiums for extra pointless features or unable to get it in the appropriate form factor like mATX.
It has the potential to not be a clusterfuck but all evidence of the current market points to 'ahahahahahaha of course it will be'.
AMD has been having a harder and harder time, though. I'm AMD all the way, and I'm worried that they'll be in trouble soon. But who knows? Maybe this move will help AMD make up ground in the enthusiast market.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
As a repair technician, this pisses me off. This means if someone's motherboard goes bad, I'm gonna have to unsolder their old CPU and resolder it to the new one, which is a bunch of extra work compared to just popping it out.
True, it is possible to change the CPU anyway. But I did that with a broken 360 once, and it was truly miserable work.
Intel does say they will bring back sockets, but only for a generation or two after broadwell. I'll bet they're hoping the whole desktop craze will be over after that. And maybe they'll be right.
It's another piece of the whole accidental war on general purpose computing.
Intel does say they will bring back sockets, but only for a generation or two after broadwell. I'll bet they're hoping the whole desktop craze will be over after that. And maybe they'll be right.
It's another piece of the whole accidental war on general purpose computing.
author=KingArthur
Really, all I have to say is this: F*ck you, Intel.
You sir, deserve a medal. If this shit happens, I can also say goodbye to any work on my hardware. It's just a marketing trick, now, you can't fix your own motherboards, you have to buy new ones or have some extra work done on it...
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/intel_says_company_committed_sockets2012
Good news for now I guess, though I'm still skeptical about the whole fiasco. Only time will tell.
Good news for now I guess, though I'm still skeptical about the whole fiasco. Only time will tell.
Jynxx
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One, it says "claiming"... this could all change. Two, nowhere does it say that it will be the way they will continue to do their processors. Who knows, maybe it is just that model? Maybe they are just rolling out this line of processors specifically for tablet PCs? In which case you wouldn't be able to change out your CPU anyway.
I don't see how this would help them at all, besides people having to buy their motherboards. Another thing is that the second site mentioned is "semiaccurate.com", which basically says it all. This has not been confirmed, it is just speculation at this point.
I don't see how this would help them at all, besides people having to buy their motherboards. Another thing is that the second site mentioned is "semiaccurate.com", which basically says it all. This has not been confirmed, it is just speculation at this point.
Kaora
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I'm all AMD, at least. When I build my next computer, I at least know who has my support in the long run. :)
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