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NOT YOUR AVERAGE GREETINGS POST (I HOPE)
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javakat
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CloseI've never understood these moments --
the moments where you stop, ask the world to look at you and accept you, risk yourself for the chance to extend your identity into adopting affiliation anew; and so often they are unfulfilling. Many will come here, receive welcomings, and know that they aren't known.
I want to mix that up a little bit.
What kind of person are you, the audience of this post? What of me can you see through the glass of your screen?
I have a hypothetical situation for you to consider, and two questions to answer. Feel free to disregard them, but it should be fun, and it'll help me in a number of ways:
Here's the scenario:
Now, my questions are:
the moments where you stop, ask the world to look at you and accept you, risk yourself for the chance to extend your identity into adopting affiliation anew; and so often they are unfulfilling. Many will come here, receive welcomings, and know that they aren't known.
I want to mix that up a little bit.
What kind of person are you, the audience of this post? What of me can you see through the glass of your screen?
I have a hypothetical situation for you to consider, and two questions to answer. Feel free to disregard them, but it should be fun, and it'll help me in a number of ways:
- I get to feel like an individual.
- I get to truly communicate (read: have two-way conversation!) with the community, hopefully providing some semblance of fulfilling relationship construction.
- You guys get the chance to feel fulfilled (if you find my questions interesting) just by thinking about things!
Here's the scenario:
I have, in the palms of my hands, a book and a pen. I want you to consider the relationship between these two objects. This book can only be written in by this pen, and this pen can only write in this book. This book is empty, holding only blank pages. Neither object has any utility outside of the constraints of their relationship (i.e. the pen can only be used as a writing utensil and cannot be used, say, as an eye gouger, and the book can only be used as a content storage and retrieval tool).
Now, my questions are:
- Do you think either of these two objects is more powerful than the other? Why?
- Do you respect either object more?
This is kind of like the "What is in an empty box?" question. Yes, the box is empty. Likewise, the book has nothing written in it. However, both objects have a certain amount of potential. With the box, we're talking about objects it can contain. With the book, we're talking about the words that can be written with the pen.
*Edit: Oh yeah, the second question. Well, I don't know. The unwritten book has no potential without the pen, and the pen has no use outside writing in the book. It's a rather circular relationship!
*Edit: Oh yeah, the second question. Well, I don't know. The unwritten book has no potential without the pen, and the pen has no use outside writing in the book. It's a rather circular relationship!
Sorry, I don't speak philosophy.
Welcome to RMN. I am your friendly neighborhood sociopath who destroys kids.
Welcome to RMN. I am your friendly neighborhood sociopath who destroys kids.
javakat
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author=Marrend
The unwritten book has no potential without the pen, and the pen has no use outside writing in the book. It's a rather circular relationship!
What I'm actually asking with the second question is: Is there any reason you would relate to or appreciate either object more? This is more of a symbolic question.
But yes, I agree! I personally think that the circularity of the relationship makes them reach a balance of power very quickly.
As a friend put it, "they are two parts of the same machine."
Welcome, philosopher, to the ranks of rmn! I fully enjoy philosophical sayings, questions, and such, and I hereby welcome thee! Both objects hold absolutely no power unless they are used together. I myself am an open book, so to speak, with my wonderful tales available for the world to see and hear. Sadly, I am a young book, and not many pens have written in me. If you would, you could tell me a tale and write it in my pages for the world to see! Of course, this is all rhetorical, and is therefore not weird at all for me to say. Nope. Not weird at all...
author=Marrend
Well, I don't know. The unwritten book has no potential without the pen, and the pen has no use outside writing in the book. It's a rather circular relationship!
This is basically me giving reasons why I don't think either object deserves any particular respect over the other. Perhaps I could have made this clearer, but, whatever.
By-the-by: Welcome to RMN! Share your creativity with us!
Your question brought to mind the quandary of the sword and shield (and thus, Suikoden II*) - the sword could break anything, the shield could never be broken. Which was stronger? Which weaker?
In the end they both destroyed each other so neither was the right answer, and yet both was as well.
*Due to this, I welcome thee~**
**Not that I wouldn't have welcomed you anyway.
In the end they both destroyed each other so neither was the right answer, and yet both was as well.
*Due to this, I welcome thee~**
**Not that I wouldn't have welcomed you anyway.
javakat
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I don't liken myself a philosopher, but thanks! There is never an end to the places I stop thinking, but I like to make sure I'm still an individual.
Interesting way to relate to the question! I rather like this bit of text. When I read it quickly on a forum page I feel like it seems (warning: read the rest of the post) trite, but I don't think it actually is. I'm glad you put thought into your response and are excited about learning and experiencing! Those are traits that I think serve a person well.
Haha, it's alright. This is an optional experiment for those interested. Thanks for the welcome either way!
author=wildwes
I myself am an open book, so to speak, with my wonderful tales available for the world to see and hear. Sadly, I am a young book, and not many pens have written in me. If you would, you could tell me a tale and write it in my pages for the world to see!
Interesting way to relate to the question! I rather like this bit of text. When I read it quickly on a forum page I feel like it seems (warning: read the rest of the post) trite, but I don't think it actually is. I'm glad you put thought into your response and are excited about learning and experiencing! Those are traits that I think serve a person well.
author=Nightowl
Sorry, I don't speak philosophy.
Welcome to RMN. I am your friendly neighborhood sociopath who destroys kids.
Haha, it's alright. This is an optional experiment for those interested. Thanks for the welcome either way!
Now I have a quandary for you: your intent was not to have an average greeting; were you shooting for above average or below average?
Welcome to RMN! I hope you enjoy your time here!
Welcome to RMN! I hope you enjoy your time here!
author=wildwes
I myself am an open book, so to speak, with my wonderful tales available for the world to see and hear. Sadly, I am a young book, and not many pens have written in me. If you would, you could tell me a tale and write it in my pages for the world to see!
I'm getting a "Life is a story" vibe here. Oh, hey, what's that saying on my profile?
javakat
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author=kentona
Now I have a quandary for you: your intent was not to have an average greeting; were you shooting for above average or below average?
Welcome to RMN! I hope you enjoy your time here!
Thanks for the welcome!
And, to be honest, either would have been acceptable result. But if it were below average, I would've tried to find another community, haha. I don't want to try to gain acceptance in a place that won't handle baseline thought.
Obviously not everyone will be willing no matter where I go, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it's still important to me to get some reasonable responses to something like this.
I hope that sounds reasonable and not short or offensive.
author=marrend
By-the-by: Welcome to RMN! Share your creativity with us!
That's the plan!
author=Liberty
Your question brought to mind the quandary of the sword and shield (and thus, Suikoden II*) - the sword could break anything, the shield could never be broken. Which was stronger? Which weaker?
In the end they both destroyed each other so neither was the right answer, and yet both was as well.
That's definitely one way to look at it, and as I said, I agree with this general point of view. But I've definitely received answers before that took a different stance. Some people have said they respected the book more because they saw the pen as having only a small amount of time-value; the pen is an embodiment of instant gratification to them, and the book is an embodiment of stability and constraint. There are lots of other ways to see this too. Let me know what you think!
Irog
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The book of course! You need both the book and the pen to write information but you can read the book without the pen. So if you lose the pen, you lose the ability to write. If you lose the book, you lose the ability to write and read.
I equally respect the pen and the empty book. But as soon as there is something written in the book, I respect the book more.
... and welcome to RMN :-)
I equally respect the pen and the empty book. But as soon as there is something written in the book, I respect the book more.
... and welcome to RMN :-)
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