KICKSTARTER RPGS?

There's been some discussion on that here. Usually someone will post a terrible RTP kickstarter to show everyone how awful it is, and then people voice their opinions. Here's one http://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/11414/

If they use custom stuff they need to have the rights to it. That part is still illegal. I think some of them use those gfx as placeholders, so what you see on the campaign may be illegal but they end up changing it.

Yeah, it's a fairly new trend and it's probably going to continue to pick up steam because of the fact that even the garbage(by our standards) games are getting funded. I myself plan to do a kickstarter some day.

Most of the negativity comes from people *cough* putting up a few screens, describing fantastic things and never following through. They get funded, they get 10k+ and essentially rip a bunch of ppl off by dropping the project. I guess the rules technically allow for that. The funders are warned that giving money is not a guarantee they will get anything, but they can file a complaint or something.

I personally think it's great and finally gives us small timers a chance to get something out of this hobby besides the satisfaction of a large download count. But like most things, there will be scammers and awful examples but that shouldn't detract from the awesomeness of kickstarter.

Please don't ever start a kickstarter for a RPGMaker game. I would have to start looking at you in a not-positive way.

author=SnowOwl
Please don't ever start a kickstarter for a RPGMaker game. I would have to start looking at you in a not-positive way.

Basically this.

There's always a question mark when I see an RM game pop up on kickstarter. I get this feeling that there's this unspoken rule in the community that if you're planning on going commercial, you have to use it as a rite of passage.

From what i've seen, the only reason why developers are going down the crowdfunding route is so they can avoid the prospect of self funding.

Why should I pay out of my own pocket when I can shift all the responsibility towards gullible strangers?

And you know, this line of thought really irritates me. Funnily enough, the most common reason why they need crowdfunding is so they can take a year off work and hunker down on their computer fulltime... And I don't know about everyone else, but I personally love going to work and having a social life =o=

Hmm, secure money for a future product up front or have some internet strangers think "positively" of me? It's a pretty easy choice. Who cares about the negative opinions. There's negative opinions about EVERYTHING. Just don't advertise on RMN and you'll be fine. Definitely need a legal version of RM though.

I get this feeling that there's this unspoken rule in the community that if you're planning on going commercial, you have to use it as a rite of passage.

It's simply less of a gamble for a dev to get money first, rather than spend all that time on a commercial game and possibly not make any money at all. It's a way of putting the idea out there and seeing if there are enough people interested.

I think every kickstarter backer should get a copy of the game. Possibly even the ones that give small amounts like 1 or 5$.

It get this feeling that people saw all the early RTP "first game" adventures getting funded and now anybody who wants to use kickstarter is a lazy scammer. Nobody deserves it.

author=Liberty
We should be supportive of each other when it comes to our projects - whether it be commercial or not.

We're a community and it's not a competition. The more recognition better games get out there, the better.

Support your brethren, ffs.

Hear hear!

Kickstarter has gotten a reputation of being host to get-rich-quick schemes, but it's usually not hard to identify those. Part of being on the internet nowadays is gaining a keen eye that can separate the wheat from the chaff, and there are so many projects that have become great things - games and otherwise - that we might never have seen without Kickstarter.

It's good to be wary and skeptical, but it's cruel to judge people just for reaching out there and asking for support. Making games is time-consuming, hard work, and very often creators are underpaid and underappreciated. Sure, you can say making games is a labor of love, but I can't blame people who want make great games and still want to eat, y'know?

author=Liberty
If I'd had money for when RN was up there I would have gladly given. All for supporting getting RM/fellow developers I know out there into the real world of monetary game creation. We should be supportive of each other when it comes to our projects - whether it be commercial or not.

We're a community and it's not a competition. The more recognition better games get out there, the better. Hence why we're getting that store up and running and why commercial games are now on the site.

Support your brethren, ffs.

But if (or should I say "once"?) those kickstarted RPG Maker games end up disappointing the backers, it will make people look even worse at RPG Maker games in the future.

I don't really mind if people sell or kickstart their RPG Maker games by default, but they should at least be able to make a game better than any free one.

And you know, this line of thought really irritates me. Funnily enough, the most common reason why they need crowdfunding is so they can take a year off work and hunker down on their computer fulltime... And I don't know about everyone else, but I personally love going to work and having a social life =o=

Yeah I couldn't do that, I probably wouldn't get my old job back once I quit it "to work on a game for a year" and I really like the job too.

I think a lot of people in RPG Maker communities are really all about the indie and free aspect of their games, so it hits a bit of a sore spot when people talk about pitching their project on Kickstarter. I remember the Amaranth games owner got a very cold reception from a lot of people when she first was trying to sell her products, and those used a lot of original assets.

Despite that, if your project is nice and you're willing to polish it up to a high standard, I don't see why you wouldn't want to use Kickstarter!

I was never in it for the money to support the game, but more towards the stuff I'd give back to fans of the game.

Is your game free to play? I think that it would be nice to send physical goodies to people who are supporting your project, but it might not be the most practical thing to do if the entire thing is supposed to be free.

Out of curiosity, what was your going rate for mapping? :o

I think it's mainly an issue with the default assets. And of course engine limitations.

While of course it's possible to put completely self-made graphics into an RM game and also override all limitations by scripting everything yourself, it's fairly unlikely to happen. "RM" already stands for bad quality (especially in non-RM people's minds) simply because it's so much easier to make a game with it, so it doesn't really take a great game developer to make a game with it.

Even the RM games that are actually getting sold are all using default assets and suffer from engine limitations except for a very few rare cases.

Because let's be real, just someone saying he is doing the game with pure programming or his self-developed engine increases your hopes for a good game more than someone saying "I want to create a game with RPG Maker VX. It will have an epic and unique story, interesting mechanics and incredibly fun gameplay!"