GAMES YOU LOVE BUT EVERYONE HATES.

For SA1&2, they were well received when they came out, but the recent re-releases were thrashed, especially Adventure 1, which was called "unplayable" by a few magazines. Also, since the '06 fiasco, it seems like Sonic games that were previously liked, or at least considered okay, have been retroactively labeled trash. I think Adventure 2 ended up on some "AAA videogame disasters" countdown, even.

As for Shadow, maybe not as another Sonic game, but the whole idea of a 1st-or-3rd-person shooter where the player character has some spiffy actions outside of jump/crouch/shoot/melee/open door is something that needs to happen way more often.

author=RyaReisender
Beyond the Beyond

But...but it's so BAD. It's like one of the three worst RPGs I've played, right behind 7th Saga and after Guardian's Crusade.

Seems like a lot of people are saying SaGa games; I wouldn't put either of the two Frontier games on my top ten or anything, but I thought they were a nice change of pace. I also was one of the few people in the universe that liked (wouldn't say LOVED) Unlimited Saga. Unfortunately, I only beat one of the characters' stories and made it to the last boss of another's before I put down the controller, but I often get the urge to go back and play it. The only problem is that my copy got stolen a while back (along with almost every other game I had at the time--Legend of Mana made it because it had been nudged under the ottoman).

I love Sonic 2006 but for similar reasons that everybody hates it. I revel in the horrible controls, eye bleeding mixed art styles, story so bad it retcons itself out of existence, the worst physics, plus it gave us this track in Generations!

author=Feldschlacht IV
I didn't know that anyone hated Legend of Legaia, or Sonic Adventure 1 and 2. Is this the 'games that everyone actually hates' topic or the 'games that nobody actually hated but nobody bowed down and gave fellatio to' topic?

Maybe they confuse it with " Sonic 2006 " ...

I don't think that's what happened at all, homie. Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 were released years before Sonic 06, and Sonic Adventure 1 was pretty good and Sonic Adventure 2 got critical acclaim. They're not perfect games, but nobody important on a mass scale actually hates them.

Ah, I understand. I mean, I don't really understand, but I understand what you are saying now. Kids are dumb.

author=Housekeeping

author=RyaReisender
Beyond the Beyond

But...but it's so BAD. It's like one of the three worst RPGs I've played, right behind 7th Saga and after Guardian's Crusade.

I really loved it though. I have to say that I played it just recently for the first time. I was sulking because Camelot doesn't make any good games anymore so I looked for some I might have missed and found it. I bought it really expensive used and it was worse the money for me. It's like Shining Force but as RPG instead of SRPG. I already loved Shining Force, Beyond the Beyond has all the advantages Shining Force has outside combat. Many many secret passages and treasures hidden all over. So many secrets. Also the dialogues are really fun to watch. I love how they often do dialogues without any texts just with the character walking around and "vibrate" and you will still know exactly what happens from the context. It's just amazing how Camelot always pulls this off. While I still like Shining Force's combat a bit more, what Beyond the Beyond brings on the table is really good dungeon design. The dungeons are not easy and very often have many branching paths you it takes some time to find the way. On top every dungeon has a thematic puzzle which is very different and unique for each dungeon. No trick is recycled in a later dungeon, always something new. The combat is exactly how I liked it: Simple but hard. Basically the game is very challenging but not because it throws complex mechanisms at you (I hate that), but just because the enemy difficulty is so well balanced that every time you clear a dungeon you really ran out of all your resources completely. Also I really like the reaction system they added to combat that requires you to press buttons in a certain rhythm to avoid damage and deal more damage yourself. It always was fluently incorporated into the combat so I felt it was better than in for example Shadow Hearts where it stops combat and makes it slow.

So yeah, I love Beyond the Beyond, even though nobody else does. I don't really like 7th Saga and I thought Guardian's Crusade was ok, but very average (I still liked it enough to finish it.

When I saw this topic I thought of Final Fantasy XII but not sure if that really counts. The game has good reviews but a lot of people hated the battle system. Personally it wasn't my favorite battle system but I enjoyed it. I like the fact that SquareEnix is always experimenting with the JRPG.
I have yet to play FF XIII but I plan to eventually. People's negative opinions about it have not deterred me from wanting to play it but right now I'm too busy with Xenoblade.
Zelda 2 is another solid game that people hate on.

As a side note, I'm glad I read this because a noticed a lot of talk about the Saga series and I just realized that I still haven't gotten around to beating Romancing Saga 3 I started playing it more than a year ago but I got so busy with other stuff that I kinda forgot about it.

SA2 was the top 10 selling game on the gamecube actually. And I think if you were to look back they were very clunky games with questionable design choices. I watched Brickroad play SA2 for the first time and he would die on parts I don't remember having a problem with for some reason. I'd chalk SA2 to being a nostalgia favorite but not really a mass hated game.

Super recently there have been mixed to neg reviews of Drakengard 3, but so far I'm enjoying the game. It's not Nier but I really didn't expect it to be.