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CloseIs it reasonable that if a game maker doesnt visit his/her site after a certain period of time, say 1 year or so...that the game is removed until and if, they return and respond to players posts?
I am playing a game where the maker hasnt posted on his game since 08/2010 and the game is still up to play. The last post from someone else was sometime in 2012. I was impressed that someone else who had played the game, responded to one of my 3-4 posts to the creator and gave me a bit of help.
Surely unless someone is dead, it is a responsibility to people who think enough of your game to play the damn thing, to at least check on it in case there are questions etc. Either that or remove the down loads.
If THEY wont do it, surely someone who breathes rarified air and calls the shots ought to have a plan to put into motion when this happens.
And I hope no one says its the sole responsibility of the maker to tend their own garden....thats just ...oh what do they call it in high society...oh yes....bull shit. You need to have some rules in place.
Actually theres another game where the maker hasnt bothered to respond to not only my posts but others as well. But Ive basically given up even politely Pm'ing him.
Most of you hee-haws here know how to go into the games and fiddly-diddly change this or that and continue. Dont forget many if not most here that PLAY the games dont know how to do this....maybe you should offer a how-to for simpletons like myself.
A lot of folk like me play the games and offer feedback and help with bugs, etc. You might have the genius to make the games but you depend on us to give you that feedback and help you make a better game. Its a partnership of sorts. When you do things like I mention above, it tends to make it seem you have little or no responsibilty to us. We take time to play your games and if we like it, we gladly take MORE time.
I believe what I am saying makes sense to some of you but most of the replies will be from thin skinned pissy pants....(maybe not though).
Ok...I'm through. My fingers are sore.
I am playing a game where the maker hasnt posted on his game since 08/2010 and the game is still up to play. The last post from someone else was sometime in 2012. I was impressed that someone else who had played the game, responded to one of my 3-4 posts to the creator and gave me a bit of help.
Surely unless someone is dead, it is a responsibility to people who think enough of your game to play the damn thing, to at least check on it in case there are questions etc. Either that or remove the down loads.
If THEY wont do it, surely someone who breathes rarified air and calls the shots ought to have a plan to put into motion when this happens.
And I hope no one says its the sole responsibility of the maker to tend their own garden....thats just ...oh what do they call it in high society...oh yes....bull shit. You need to have some rules in place.
Actually theres another game where the maker hasnt bothered to respond to not only my posts but others as well. But Ive basically given up even politely Pm'ing him.
Most of you hee-haws here know how to go into the games and fiddly-diddly change this or that and continue. Dont forget many if not most here that PLAY the games dont know how to do this....maybe you should offer a how-to for simpletons like myself.
A lot of folk like me play the games and offer feedback and help with bugs, etc. You might have the genius to make the games but you depend on us to give you that feedback and help you make a better game. Its a partnership of sorts. When you do things like I mention above, it tends to make it seem you have little or no responsibilty to us. We take time to play your games and if we like it, we gladly take MORE time.
I believe what I am saying makes sense to some of you but most of the replies will be from thin skinned pissy pants....(maybe not though).
Ok...I'm through. My fingers are sore.
No, sorry, we've had this discussion before. We keep games on the site for prosperity. We have a lot of people who leave the community then return (or never do). We host games that haven't be touched in years because people want to play those games and revisit the past.
We do not delete games because they are old or because they were concepts that never made it to even a demo or because there was a bug for one person (or all). If a game is cut short by a bug, then it is cut short by a bug. Sorry but that's just how it is. You can read the comments before-hand in the hopes that someone posted something about the bug (and if there's nothing there and you encounter said bug, perhaps be a chap and leave a comment for others to find.)
As for removing downloads to games that are incomplete and left that way, why on earth would we do a stupid thing like that?! That's... I just... there are so many great games that never got to see the light of day in even demo form and you're suggesting that we remove the ones that actually did get released? Uh, no. Noooooooooo.
Quite frankly, yes, it is up to each person to 'tend their own garden' because they are the only ones who can. There's no chance to fence-jump and clean out someone else's garden because the walls are a dome that protects the garden from all visitors.
We do not delete games because they are old or because they were concepts that never made it to even a demo or because there was a bug for one person (or all). If a game is cut short by a bug, then it is cut short by a bug. Sorry but that's just how it is. You can read the comments before-hand in the hopes that someone posted something about the bug (and if there's nothing there and you encounter said bug, perhaps be a chap and leave a comment for others to find.)
As for removing downloads to games that are incomplete and left that way, why on earth would we do a stupid thing like that?! That's... I just... there are so many great games that never got to see the light of day in even demo form and you're suggesting that we remove the ones that actually did get released? Uh, no. Noooooooooo.
Quite frankly, yes, it is up to each person to 'tend their own garden' because they are the only ones who can. There's no chance to fence-jump and clean out someone else's garden because the walls are a dome that protects the garden from all visitors.
Some creators entirely vanish. Game dev isn't an eternally thing for everyone, yo. As a result, taking down those games creates lost-forevers. There's no way to tell at a glance if a game is good or bad from its page, especially if it's pre-page CSS, and some people will want to return to play it.
I know some games are buggy/dead, but if a person leaves the field they are, in fact, NOT obligated to tend to the game. Nor is it the job of this site, or other creators. If an old game isn't working for you and you can't get in contact, move on.
You gonna email the creators of the Atari version of E.T? No, didn't think so.
I know some games are buggy/dead, but if a person leaves the field they are, in fact, NOT obligated to tend to the game. Nor is it the job of this site, or other creators. If an old game isn't working for you and you can't get in contact, move on.
You gonna email the creators of the Atari version of E.T? No, didn't think so.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Removing games just because they are finished being made is obviously a terrible idea.
Removing them because they don't work and the creator's been gone for four years is a less terrible idea. Unfortunately it's basically impossible for the site moderators to confirm that a game doesn't work, since there are like... five of them and thousands of games, and they don't get paid. So a lot of games would get mistakenly taken down just because a certain player can't solve a puzzle or something. (I have seriously had someone claim my game was bugged and unbeatable because they couldn't solve a puzzle that involved opening a door by flipping switches, and were convinced it had no solution.)
We do have a way for any player to publically flag the game as unplayable though, which is to submit a review for it. You can state in the review what the problems are. The game will not get taken down, but that is how players can keep each-other from playing broken games.
Removing them because they don't work and the creator's been gone for four years is a less terrible idea. Unfortunately it's basically impossible for the site moderators to confirm that a game doesn't work, since there are like... five of them and thousands of games, and they don't get paid. So a lot of games would get mistakenly taken down just because a certain player can't solve a puzzle or something. (I have seriously had someone claim my game was bugged and unbeatable because they couldn't solve a puzzle that involved opening a door by flipping switches, and were convinced it had no solution.)
We do have a way for any player to publically flag the game as unplayable though, which is to submit a review for it. You can state in the review what the problems are. The game will not get taken down, but that is how players can keep each-other from playing broken games.
Also you have to take into consideration the feelings of the people who enjoyed the demo and want to try it again later should something happen to their HDDs. That's why we even have that rare rpg maker games thread.
And my friend, Aten, died before any of us knew and it would be a huge slap in the face for me to see his Legend of Vanadia page disappear, just because he disappeared for a long time, since that's one of my fondest memories with him.
People come and go on the internet. Some have their PCs stolen, homeless, etc. Why would you want to remove their internet footprints?
And my friend, Aten, died before any of us knew and it would be a huge slap in the face for me to see his Legend of Vanadia page disappear, just because he disappeared for a long time, since that's one of my fondest memories with him.
People come and go on the internet. Some have their PCs stolen, homeless, etc. Why would you want to remove their internet footprints?
I am making a game and have a game page I have basically forgotten (as soon as I have a demo, it'll be unforgotten). It would suck if the makerscore I got from it were to suddenly disappear.
TheNecromancer
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I believe what I am saying makes sense to some of you but most of the replies will be from thin skinned pissy pants
What an excellent way to make a suggestion.
Everything you said is nonsense and self-serving.
1. Aten DIED? What? When? How? I am 90% positive I remember talking to him around here at least a few times. What the hell happened?
2. The suggestion in the OP is amazingly asinine. I'm going to go with what LockeZ said here actually:
2. The suggestion in the OP is amazingly asinine. I'm going to go with what LockeZ said here actually:
Removing games just because they are finished being made is obviously a terrible idea.
Yeah, it was about a year ago iirc. RIP.
Also, this is the most - as the lowbrows say - bullshit suggestion the site has ever received. It is the sole responsibility of the maker to tend their own garden.
Signed,
Thin Skinned Pissy Pants
Also, this is the most - as the lowbrows say - bullshit suggestion the site has ever received. It is the sole responsibility of the maker to tend their own garden.
Signed,
Thin Skinned Pissy Pants
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Removing completed, working games by retired creators is so completely insane that I simply assumed that wasn't really what he meant. I assumed he was talking only about non-functioning games by retired creators.
Yeah, same. My brain just skipped over that suggestion as though it didn't exist because of the sheer idiocy of it. >.<;
There's another point to consider: leaving all of these ideas that never got off the ground in place is great museum for a future dev to walk through and say, "Hey, this post-apocalyptic medieval thing that nobody ever did shit with gives me a great idea!"
Neok
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author=kentona
Yeah, it was about a year ago iirc. RIP.
Damn, news to me too. How did he die?
A lot of things on this site are not done, and probably never will be. Since this site has an approval process however, the only reason I could think of to clear anything would be a storage issues, but I think that was already brought up not too long ago with a better solution being used anyways. Another point; this is an Indie/Amateur/hobby gamedev site, so unfinished and abandoned stuff is to be expected, and with that a lot of memories tied to them.
I don't recall exactly, but I do believe it was something vehicular, and possibly a drunk driver.
author=Neokauthor=kentonaDamn, news to me too. How did he die?
Yeah, it was about a year ago iirc. RIP.
I don't recall exactly, but I do believe it was something vehicular, and possibly a drunk driver.
eplipswich
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author=Max McGee
1. Aten DIED? What? When? How? I am 90% positive I remember talking to him around here at least a few times.
author=Neokauthor=kentonaDamn, news to me too. How did he die?
Yeah, it was about a year ago iirc. RIP.
You can check his Legend of Vanadia page. It was late last year. Archeia was the one who broke the news.
Ill just post this here in case anyones having issues with the link or are feeling lazy: http://fijisun.com.fj/2013/11/18/parents-mourns-sons-road-death/
Yeah, it’s still quite tragic to hear about what happened to Aten last year. Hopefully his friends and family are doing well and are coping with the loss.
Anyways, back on topic, I don’t have a problem with gamepages being phased out if it’s been over three to five years and that person hasn’t uploaded a working demo, full version, or any additional information or screenshots since that time just to clear up space, but if there’s something like a demo or a completed version of the game already submitted on here then it wouldn’t make any sense to get rid of it, of course. I mean, that would just be plain dumb to do something like that.
But then again, there are a lot of games on here that showed a great deal of promise without a viable release / demo that haven’t been updated in quite some time and are just great for the prosperity of having it still there, you know?
And to answer my own question in regards to reducing the clutter, that’s why we have the filtering system in place, so there’s really no need to delete anything off here unless the original author(s) wanted to do it for some reason.
Anyways, back on topic, I don’t have a problem with gamepages being phased out if it’s been over three to five years and that person hasn’t uploaded a working demo, full version, or any additional information or screenshots since that time just to clear up space, but if there’s something like a demo or a completed version of the game already submitted on here then it wouldn’t make any sense to get rid of it, of course. I mean, that would just be plain dumb to do something like that.
But then again, there are a lot of games on here that showed a great deal of promise without a viable release / demo that haven’t been updated in quite some time and are just great for the prosperity of having it still there, you know?
And to answer my own question in regards to reducing the clutter, that’s why we have the filtering system in place, so there’s really no need to delete anything off here unless the original author(s) wanted to do it for some reason.
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