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CloseThis one may trigger ESRB's AO rating for violence, which is rare. I think it's only happened twice before (correct me if I'm wrong), but given the complete lack of, well, anything but violence and misanthropy it's probably a safe bet. I think it's telling that the people who made the engine on which is it produced wanted their name disassociated from the project.
My reaction was a mixture of disgust and apathy, and whilst disgust is an emotion it's not one I'm particularly anxious to promote. Though really my first thought after the diatribe about 'I just fuckin' hate this world. And the human worms feasting on its carcass.' Is dude my-name-doesn't-matter, you're human, you hate them so much, easy fix, bullet and brain. Violent just like you want and no one else had to die because you're a jealous arse who can't cope with the fact that most people actually like being alive.
But I suppose that's logic and this is a shooter, they don't usually go together.
My reaction was a mixture of disgust and apathy, and whilst disgust is an emotion it's not one I'm particularly anxious to promote. Though really my first thought after the diatribe about 'I just fuckin' hate this world. And the human worms feasting on its carcass.' Is dude my-name-doesn't-matter, you're human, you hate them so much, easy fix, bullet and brain. Violent just like you want and no one else had to die because you're a jealous arse who can't cope with the fact that most people actually like being alive.
But I suppose that's logic and this is a shooter, they don't usually go together.
author=nhubi
This one may trigger ESRB's AO rating for violence, which is rare. I think it's only happened twice before (correct me if I'm wrong), but given the complete lack of, well, anything but violence and misanthropy it's probably a safe bet. I think it's telling that the people who made the engine on which is it produced wanted their name disassociated from the project.
My reaction was a mixture of disgust and apathy, and whilst disgust is an emotion it's not one I'm particularly anxious to promote. Though really my first thought after the diatribe about 'I just fuckin' hate this world. And the human worms feasting on its carcass.' Is dude my-name-doesn't-matter, you're human, you hate them so much, easy fix, bullet and brain. Violent just like you want and no one else had to die because you're a jealous arse who can't cope with the fact that most people actually like being alive.
But I suppose that's logic and this is a shooter, they don't usually go together.
I think he's just not a very good person.
Also how can you have mixed disgust and apathy. Like..."meh" and "UGH!" are kind of opposite extremes of the emotional spectrum (well, apathy is actually the total absence of any extreme, but still a long way from disgust).
author=Mobh
I do appreciate the sentiment even though the game looks like nothing special. It's like a middle finger to the face of certain kind of people. Anything that rustles so many jimmies is at least worth taking a look at.
This pretty eloquently sums up my feelings.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me
No more
So, this basically looks like it's a remake of Postal 2 with updated graphics. Can you douse elementary school children in propane, set them on fire, and then piss on their smoldering corpses to put the fire out like you could in Postal 2? Because that was really one of the features that made the game so family-friendly.
Don't hurt me
No more
So, this basically looks like it's a remake of Postal 2 with updated graphics. Can you douse elementary school children in propane, set them on fire, and then piss on their smoldering corpses to put the fire out like you could in Postal 2? Because that was really one of the features that made the game so family-friendly.
author=Max McGeeEh, I understand it. There are things that make me go, "That's objectively disgusting, and I kinda feel bad for not really caring about it."
Also how can you have mixed disgust and apathy. Like..."meh" and "UGH!" are kind of opposite extremes of the emotional spectrum (well, apathy is actually the total absence of any extreme, but still a long way from disgust).
author=nhubiI mean, it is a video game: You are controlling him, so you can do that if you want. Like the Postal 2 trailer says, the game is only as violent as you are.
Is dude my-name-doesn't-matter, you're human, you hate them so much, easy fix, bullet and brain. Violent just like you want and no one else had to die because you're a jealous arse who can't cope with the fact that most people actually like being alive.
author=Max McGee
Also how can you have mixed disgust and apathy. Like..."meh" and "UGH!" are kind of opposite extremes of the emotional spectrum (well, apathy is actually the total absence of any extreme, but still a long way from disgust).
Disgust at what he does, apathy at his reasoning and indeed existence. I literally don't care about why, I have no emotional resonance with him as him. He's all, 'I hate the world, humans are bad, everyone should die including me because I'm bad too, woe is me'. Actually no, I don't even feel pity, which is usually my reaction when someone is consumed by a negative emotion to the exclusion of almost everything else. He doesn't even get that, My lack of feeling is simply expressed in my reaction which consists of 'Meh, whatever, die in a corner will you, or don't, but just quit whining'. Suicide is a perfectly acceptable choice, suicide by cop is not.
But then that wouldn't be a very long game.
author=LockeZ
I mean, it is a video game: You are controlling him, so you can do that if you want. Like the Postal 2 trailer says, the game is only as violent as you are.
If I ever did run across thing, yep, the game would last about 10 seconds after that opening. If you are actually allowed to kill yourself, probably not. You'll still have to go out an get shot by someone else, just not defend yourself. So the suicide by cop still stands. Unless you can kill yourself, in which case. Ok, that I'd do.
Shinan
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Look like a twin-stick zombie shooter but instead of zombies it's regular people. (which I guess is what zombies are anyway. They've just turned into something that is more okay to murder in droves)
author=Max McGee
Can you provide evidence that the creators were commie-nazis or whatever? Because short of some outside information, that doesn't seem like a reasonable conclusion from the fact that they made a game in extremely poor taste. So yeah...where'd you hear this?
I'm kinda sleepy so I won't read the rest of the posts or thread right now but it actually showed links to evidences in their personal facebook profile, seeing that they have liked those kinds of pages, and sometimes have spewed hate speech. Now only if I can get the links...
...Also, one of 'em is a tattooist, which is awesome, but he seems to do a lot of extremist imagery as his work
but whatever, it's internet, the profiles could be fake for goodness sake
I'll try to get the link to the article
edit: well it didn't get too long a search to find it
but well, I'm clueless when it comes to most political stuff so...
Edit2: in another article one of them is defending himself with what seems to be a reasonable argument
edit3: another link and now it is time to really wake up >.>
edit 4: what if they implement social links and the sims-like features so we can live a normal life if we don't want to kill
The game is obviously made in poor taste.
I really don't care if it's satirical (I hope that it is) or not, it is obviously made to shock and garner attention purely from its offensiveness. Maybe the devs of Hatred are not talented or creative enough to gain attention from their game(s) with anything other than shock factor.
I really don't care if it's satirical (I hope that it is) or not, it is obviously made to shock and garner attention purely from its offensiveness. Maybe the devs of Hatred are not talented or creative enough to gain attention from their game(s) with anything other than shock factor.
There is nothing whatsoever that is reasonable about that argument. Fine. He liked a page just for the info. It's bullshit, but whatever.
But "prevailing standards of forcing (video)games to be more polite or nicer than they really are or even should be"? Bullshit. Maybe this sorry excuse is good for games like Infamous or Grand Theft Auto but nobody made Jak and Daxter or Final Fantasy VII because they were "forced" to do jack; they wanted to tell a story. Speaking of "prevailing standards" sure as hell didn't keep Postal or Postal 2 off the market and EA didn't even manage to smother Thrill Kill. The first Mortal Kombat sure wasn't polite, and neither was the next two for that matter. And just what, exactly is polite about Manhunt? So sorry, this guy is just pulling shit out of his ass.
It's like saying that the only reason all magazines aren't pornographic is because society forces the companies to make gaming and fashion mags. All movies aren't senselessly violent because the companies are forced to make Barbie and Harry Potter movies. I could respect him if he said, "We just wanted to make the most violent game we could and throw it in the faces of the prudes of the world," which would be honest, but he didn't say that. He handed some easily debunked bullshit about society forcing video games to be polite.
Rant over.
But "prevailing standards of forcing (video)games to be more polite or nicer than they really are or even should be"? Bullshit. Maybe this sorry excuse is good for games like Infamous or Grand Theft Auto but nobody made Jak and Daxter or Final Fantasy VII because they were "forced" to do jack; they wanted to tell a story. Speaking of "prevailing standards" sure as hell didn't keep Postal or Postal 2 off the market and EA didn't even manage to smother Thrill Kill. The first Mortal Kombat sure wasn't polite, and neither was the next two for that matter. And just what, exactly is polite about Manhunt? So sorry, this guy is just pulling shit out of his ass.
It's like saying that the only reason all magazines aren't pornographic is because society forces the companies to make gaming and fashion mags. All movies aren't senselessly violent because the companies are forced to make Barbie and Harry Potter movies. I could respect him if he said, "We just wanted to make the most violent game we could and throw it in the faces of the prudes of the world," which would be honest, but he didn't say that. He handed some easily debunked bullshit about society forcing video games to be polite.
Rant over.
Housekeeping
3571
I like the CEO's reasoning that he's making something antithetical to political correctness, but, like pianotm just pointed out, political correctness doesn't seem to really be a major issue in gaming. Besides, my gut tells me that they're just using controversy as a selling point. The game itself doesn't feel controversial to me since it's trying so hard to be controversial. I guess I feel that it's equivalently distasteful to something like Goat Simulator, i.e. it's a soulless cash grab.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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This is the kind of game I can get behind. What's the release date? I don't see why people have a problem with it; it's just a game.
author=Corfaisus^ This really.
This is the kind of game I can get behind. What's the release date? I don't see why people have a problem with it; it's just a game.
I have a lot of people on board to try this out. I'm no advocate of mass murder, but I also don't think violent video games make killers. That's just ridiculous.
I grew up in the country and know about guns, how to use them, what they can do etc.
And personally own several. Sure, I could go to my local wal-mart and blow away a dozen or so people, but I don't. CAN! But don't.
No video game would make me do that.
Also, people who hate/protest these kinds of games don't usually play them. There has been tons of games just like this and don't cause any "real" issue.
Let games be games, leave the bullshit out of it.
This game will never be popular enough for anyone to worry anyways.
author=Corfaisus
This is the kind of game I can get behind. What's the release date? I don't see why people have a problem with it; it's just a game.
Not saying I have a problem with it. It's just a game with mindless violence. I play the old Mortal Kombat's and I play Manhunt. The only reason I never played GTA or Infamous is because money is always tight and when I have it to buy something, I have to choose what I prefer to play. I pick RPG or things in the vein of Metal Gear Solid. FPS's and sandbox killing games simply aren't my preferred game.
This developer is blowing smoke and creating an issue that doesn't exist because he refuses to face the fact that he just wanted a game that was mind-numbingly violent.
Why does this have to become an issue? The controversy already exist. This game is "anti-art"? Really? Is that even possible? How can he say that without making a complete idiot of himself. Our video games are too polite? Does this mean if we hadn't "Forced" Sega to make "Polite" games, Sonic would be ripping the throats out of the robot enemies and beheading Dr. Robotnik? Would goomba's guts be spraying out when Mario jumps on them? Would Cloud be packing an AR-15? Society is FORCING companies to make POLITE games?
Or maybe GTA would be just about mowing down innocent civilians. Maybe Hitman isn't exactly the hitman he should be. Maybe that the main character in Manhunt is a psychopath killing other psychopaths is a bit too tame. Sorry, with all the problems we're having in the gamer community right now, I'm not feeling too charitable towards assclowns that instead of being honest, are spouting bullshit to stir up even more problems so they can sell themselves to the media.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
7874
Well, on the plus side, people are going to realize the gravity behind what they're doing in games instead of going "la dee da" while slaughtering thousands.
The game is obviously made in poor taste.
No, you think? : P
author=nhubiauthor=Max McGeeDisgust at what he does, apathy at his reasoning and indeed existence. I literally don't care about why, I have no emotional resonance with him as him. He's all, 'I hate the world, humans are bad, everyone should die including me because I'm bad too, woe is me'. Actually no, I don't even feel pity, which is usually my reaction when someone is consumed by a negative emotion to the exclusion of almost everything else. He doesn't even get that, My lack of feeling is simply expressed in my reaction which consists of 'Meh, whatever, die in a corner will you, or don't, but just quit whining'. Suicide is a perfectly acceptable choice, suicide by cop is not.
Also how can you have mixed disgust and apathy. Like..."meh" and "UGH!" are kind of opposite extremes of the emotional spectrum (well, apathy is actually the total absence of any extreme, but still a long way from disgust).
I'm just saying this because I happened to try and buy a new laptop at Target today and was helped by an employee who, while he was very nice and likeable toward ME in every respect, it seemed clear from his demeanor that his job was inevitably going to turn him into Hatred's "protagonist" sooner rather than later.
Basically, work retail at somewhere like Target or Walmart or Kmart as a redshirt noncomissioned salesgoon for 5 solid years and see if you don't have some more empathy for Mr. Killy McTrenchcoat. Fuck, "shopping" in the store for 20 minutes today gave me those vibes. What an unfathomably banal pit of human misery, rage, and despair.
author=Corfaisus
This is the kind of game I can get behind. What's the release date? I don't see why people have a problem with it; it's just a game.
Fascinatingly, a bunch of anti-gamergate people including some folks with major industry connections are trying to petition to get it shut down and actually literally censored (as opposed to just saying like "this should not exist" in some abstract sense, they are sending threatening correspondence to the developers saying "I'm not asking you, I'm telling you, kill this game project). And so naturally #GamerGaters are coming to their defense. It's how I found out about the whole thing (Streisand effect in action!). And it's interesting (not least of all that #GamerGate thinks it will make things better to rally to a game where you massacre innocent women and PoC indiscriminately alongside their white and male counterparts).
Would Cloud be packing an AR-15?
Wait, what the fucking fuck? How would that be any worse than chopping up dudes with AR-15s with a huge fucking sword, which is what he starts the goddamn game doing! Is using a giant fucking sword somehow more humane? Not to mention that Barrett and Vincent's weapons are already just fucking...guns.
Edit: Damnit, double post.
author=JosephSeraph
<snip> Link 1 <snip>
This article is pretty bullshit. It is not fair to equate a militant anti-Communist group with Neo-Nazis (as the article's HEADLINE calls the devs). Is there some overlap between militant anti-Communists and Neo-Nazis? Probably. But that doesn't make it remotely okay to equate the two uncritically. And the other "right wing connections" aren't any stronger.
author=JosephSeraph
<snip> Link 2 <snip>
Boils down to the "Liking" != Liking argument, which is a salient one in our modern facebook saturated era.
author=JosephSeraph
<snip> Link 3 <snip>
Alright now I'm just scratching my head and wondering if anyone among us knows enough about polish politics to help sort this out. I mean all I'm really getting for sure is that the people who made this game which is in amazingly poor taste like lots of other things that are also in very poor taste. Which is the opposite of surprising.
<snip> political correctness doesn't seem to really be a major issue in gaming. <snip>
Um...EXCUSE ME? (Link explanation: those links claim to be about 'harassment' and 'misandry' respectively, but most of what they link to actually has to do with political correctness and speech policing, rather than either of those things.)
Sorry, I'm not trying to make THIS thread about THAT. That's the last thing we want. But let's just all agree, if we agree on nothing else, that political correctness is OBVIOUSLY a major issue in gaming, and leave it there. That we might all feel very different WAYS about the issue of political correctness in gaming is fine, but there's no denying that it's a major issue and it's there.
major industry connections are trying to petition to get it shut down and actually literally censored (as opposed to just saying like "this should not exist" in some abstract sense, they are sending threatening correspondence to the developers saying "I'm not asking you, I'm telling you, kill this game project)
Maybe we should ask them for a list of "industry appropriate games" we can make? Petitioning to censor others just cause you're offended by something you don't ever have to be a part of is fucking despicable.
author=Max McGee
Basically, work retail at somewhere like Target or Walmart or Kmart as a redshirt noncomissioned salesgoon for 5 solid years and see if you don't have some more empathy for Mr. Killy McTrenchcoat. Fuck, "shopping" in the store for 20 minutes today gave me those vibes. What an unfathomably banal pit of human misery, rage, and despair.
I did, not for 5 years, but yes retail for a while. I think that is actually what makes me less likely to empathise. If you're not the sort of person cut out for retail, and I'm not, then empathy is one of the first things you lose. Luckily for me that lack only ever manifests when people whine at me without cause (ranting with cause is fine, and will garner my empathy and support if I think the cause is justified). This is probably because for the last 6 months of my retail employment I worked in the complaints and returns section. Spend 8 hours a day having the majority of people blame you personally for their bad choices, product faults or nebulous statements about your co-workers along the lines of 'she didn't smile enough' and your tolerance for people who transfer responsibility dies a quick and painful death.
Though I must admit that trial did stand me in good stead to ignore some of the petty moaning and political machinations in academia, which is a plus.
Housekeeping
3571
@Max: Yeah, the diversity police are definitely really vocal right now, but I was talking more about the issue of violence in video games since diversity isn't really part of this discussion (I don't think many outspoken feminists are going to ask why the main character of Hatred isn't female/gay/transgendered/American Indian/anything other than a straight white male age 18-35). In the 80s and 90s, you were hearing more political movements against video game violence, and it was big in public discourse. Now, anti-video game violence stuff will pop up after spree killings, but most people don't take that argument seriously, and there are a lot of violent video games out there. There's enough now that you could write a history of extreme violence in video games and you'd have enough to write a good-sized book. So this game's not breaking any new ground and it's fighting against a PC sentiment that hasn't been relevant for years.
Haha! I was wondering when somebody was going to make a topic about this game. =P
I'm 'surprised' to hear comments like: "OMG! the victims are pleading for they lives! How can anyone enjoy a game like this??". This exact same argument has existed ever since games started having rudimentary AI to make characters run when injured, or voice acting to have them scream. But in those cases this criticism came from people who didn't play or understood videogames... This time around, many of those claims are coming from gamers themselves. So I guess the technology has caught up with the current generation sensibilities? Or perhaps it is true that nowadays there's less expectancy for games to strive far away from the "polite" road?
Anyway. If the game truly is nothing more than senseless killing, it's going to flop. People don't play games like GTA solely because they can wreak havoc left and right; They do it because they have interesting stories or interesting gameplay... So my guess is that the game will end up being more complex than it appears; or else it will flop. Best case scenario: it gets modded to change all the people for zombies (for those who need an "excuse" to murder pixels) and it will go on for a while before fading into obscurity.
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Also, a little pet-peeve of mine: Games do not "promote" violence. They merely DEPICT it. Or if you insist on being cute about it, they "glorify" it, or "romanticize" it... But a game would need to go waaay out of its way to actually promote violence, and that would be illegal.
I'm 'surprised' to hear comments like: "OMG! the victims are pleading for they lives! How can anyone enjoy a game like this??". This exact same argument has existed ever since games started having rudimentary AI to make characters run when injured, or voice acting to have them scream. But in those cases this criticism came from people who didn't play or understood videogames... This time around, many of those claims are coming from gamers themselves. So I guess the technology has caught up with the current generation sensibilities? Or perhaps it is true that nowadays there's less expectancy for games to strive far away from the "polite" road?
Anyway. If the game truly is nothing more than senseless killing, it's going to flop. People don't play games like GTA solely because they can wreak havoc left and right; They do it because they have interesting stories or interesting gameplay... So my guess is that the game will end up being more complex than it appears; or else it will flop. Best case scenario: it gets modded to change all the people for zombies (for those who need an "excuse" to murder pixels) and it will go on for a while before fading into obscurity.
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Also, a little pet-peeve of mine: Games do not "promote" violence. They merely DEPICT it. Or if you insist on being cute about it, they "glorify" it, or "romanticize" it... But a game would need to go waaay out of its way to actually promote violence, and that would be illegal.
author=Housekeeping
@Max: Yeah, the diversity police are definitely really vocal right now, but I was talking more about the issue of violence in video games since diversity isn't really part of this discussion (I don't think many outspoken feminists are going to ask why the main character of Hatred isn't female/gay/transgendered/American Indian/anything other than a straight white male age 18-35). In the 80s and 90s, you were hearing more political movements against video game violence, and it was big in public discourse. Now, anti-video game violence stuff will pop up after spree killings, but most people don't take that argument seriously, and there are a lot of violent video games out there. There's enough now that you could write a history of extreme violence in video games and you'd have enough to write a good-sized book. So this game's not breaking any new ground and it's fighting against a PC sentiment that hasn't been relevant for years.
Where these issues intersect is when "pop culture critics" with a feminist perspective seem to take issue selectively with violence against WOMEN in games rather than seeing it as part of a greater trend of violence against PEOPLE in games.
But I see what you're saying.
Anyway. If the game truly is nothing more than senseless killing, it's going to flop. People don't play games like GTA solely because they can wreak havoc left and right; They do it because they have interesting stories or interesting gameplay... So my guess is that the game will end up being more complex than it appears; or else it will flop.
From what I can see from the trailer the...gameplay...for the disgusting filth that it is...actually seems really solid.
