OUT OF CONTROL COPS - A SERIOUS PROBLEM IN AMERICA

author=Link_2112

author=Max McGee
Link2112, John Crawford III was just in a Wal Mart like those white women, not pointing the airsoft gun--which he picked up in that store-- at anyone. He was wandering around with it pointed at the ground while talking on a cell phone. This is clear if you watch the surveillance video.

Why do you think he was shot and those white women weren't?

That is a terrible story. I can't argue against that. But there is one vast difference besides race. Those women do not have the guns in their hands. The fucking assault rifles are iffy, but the other two have them "holstered". The older lady is the only one who's doing it right, though. I'm not suggesting anything other than there is a difference between holding a gun in the ready position as opposed to it being "holstered".

I'm sure you can find an example of a woman holding a gun in her hands and nothing happening, or a black man with a holstered gun getting shot. I can only speak to the information you originally presented. Not that it matters but I really wouldn't want to be handling a gun like Crawford was regardless of any factors like race or location. It just seems like a bad idea. (please don't accuse me of siding with the cops for saying that)

It shouldn't be like this, but you know in the meantime people should be careful with what they do because you can't trust other people.

They had been told that it was a toy before going to get him. They also gave him no time to do anything before shooting him down. He didn't even realise they were there, talking on the phone as he was - to his lady, who had to hear him shot and killed.

author=Adon237
to even assert that white lives aren't considered the most valuable lives in western society is beyond ignorant. white lives aren't likely to be considered "less valuable", even by people of color, in western society for a very long time, if ever. of course everyone has their own racial pride and favors their own race but that is only to a certain extent.

The answer to solving problems isn't causing new ones i.e. antagonizing white people. I understand - it's socially acceptable to be racist against whites, the kind of bigotry that white racism represents will not be discouraged on this forum, I'm going to be told I'm not allowed to be offended because I'm white, and it's not even considered racism by some especially wacky characters. But lay off the white racism, it's REALLY GETTING OLD.

Seriously, I'm getting really tired of it. Knock it off. I don't care how privileged you think I am, nothing justifies racial bigotry and hate.

Just be a decent person. Just because you can does not mean you should.

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
how was he at all being racist towards whites. if you are saying he is racist you are also perhaps saying statistics are racist. and why is that all you seem to care about

That post quoted him, but it was directed at everyone who is pulling the white privilege card every 0.000005 seconds.

I care about it because I am offended by the concept of white privilege. We have the privilege not to be offended when people hate us and discriminate against us because of our race. To claim that, by birth, we have it easier and thus aren't allowed to organize, and don't deserve any breaks, is racist. I'm sorry, I cannot change my race.

If I were black, you wouldn't think twice. You'd be too scared to say anything. I would have immunity and any bigotry against me would be punished by a forum ban. But since I'm white, you have the freedom - no - the impetus to shit all over me.

So since I'm a human, who is a race, allow me to be offended by racism toward my race.

Anyone who thinks someone else doesn't deserve to be offended by bigotry specifically directed at them is a complete asshole.

author=Adon237
racism is the institutional & systematic, economic & social oppression of a race by another race

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

Also, affirmative action, racial hiring quotas, non-existent race-based college scholarships (they exist for everyone else) and higher test standards for whites for government employment is institutional, systematic, and economic racism.

Being white doesn't give you immunity from being racist against whites. Everyone already knows that being any other race doesn't give you immunity from being racist against your own race - but for some reason obvious double standards have to be pointed out.

I have to wonder where ya'll live sometimes. Some magical land where all the whites are living in palaces automatically by birth? I live in the butthole of Seattle. two steps outside and I'm swimming in an ocean of homeless white people.

Also, affirmative action, racial hiring quotas, and higher test standards for whites for government employment is institutional, systematic, and economic racism.

oh boy.

author=Adon237
bigotry does not equal racism... those aren't the same thing.

racism is the institutional & systematic, economic & social oppression of a race by another race

bigotry is intolerance of other people who have either different opinions AND/OR do not share the same identities as they do

also i'm white

No. Racism is a belief that some races are inferior/superior to others. If this belief is perpetuated/accepted in society and/or enforced by law, it is systematic oppression of a race.

Yes, racism and bigotry are different. Being bigoted against someone because of their race is being racist, but you can be bigoted for other reasons.

i think i'm starting to see why arguing about race over the internet is a futile thing to do, but it doesn't help that our opinions on racism are extremely inflexible and ingrained into our mindsets already

first, i don't really care how shocked you are about my race, an overwhelming amount of people on this website are white heterosexual males... i was accused of being "racist" against white people which doesn't make any sense, even without considering that i am white...

"the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races." this sounds more like racial theory to me

regardles of your rigid and (quite frankly archaic) definition of racism, my wording for racism is more reflective of what is actually considered racist. the oxford dictionary definition of "racism" is too white-influenced.

a black man can believe he is superior to white people as much as he wants, but that isn't going to stop the political, economic, and social obstacles racism has generated that he must face. however, if a white man does the same racism will only fuel his efforts more, because he is on the oppressing side. it was designed to benefit those of his kind.

racial minorities can not oppress the racial majority in the united states because they aren't a statistical minority that possesses power over the statistical majority (like in south africa, where the smaller white population had power over the larger black population). to suggest white people in America can (currently or have been so far) be the victims of racism is to suggest that racial minorities have some sort of social, economic, or institutional power over white people. which isn't true.

if my white father hated black people, he would be racist. he would support the system that works against african americans. if he acted upon his racist thoughts, he would be an active participant in a racist system instead of a passive one. he is white, and white people as a race are the race that has the political/social/economic power. no single white person can change the balance of power or how it is used, it has to be a group effort...

bigotry against white people because of their race does exist in america, but they aren't being racially oppressed. bigotry isn't any more acceptable than racism, but it also doesn't have all of the very severe effects racism does, and seems to be a reaction from minorities because of racism from white people.

Ya know what people, better hiring and training of police officers is really, really needed..BUT, after reading these two articles, I still feel the same BUT those people protesting for the deaths of a few who died and should not have should be locked up and retrained on those who give their lives to "serve and protect".

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/385458/cop-killed-every-58-hours-michelle-malkin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

http://www.odmp.org/search/year/2014

i could have sworn this thread was a discussion of police brutality/reform, at one point. thanik god we have something more important to focus on now