SUPREME COURT STRIKES DOWN BANS ON GAY MARRIAGE IN US

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And there goes the thread. Yay.

"Let's equate everyone who doesn't like the idea of gay marriage to Hitler. That'll allow for meaningful discourse!"
Seriously...?
Grow.
Up.

Not everyone who has an issue with it has the same reasons, motives or thoughts as others who do. You're basically trying to blanket any dissenting voices in the same tarnished cloth, making no distinction at all.

No topic is ever clear-cut white and black. Only an immature mind would believe that.

People have their reasons to be against this law being passed and judging them as equal to murderers because of it is, frankly, ridiculous and, in a word, stupid.

It's silly, considering that he's not exactly the most heinous of dictators the world has ever seen. He's not even the one who killed the most people. He just had a much better PR team (or much worse, considering the others were all swept under the rug and all).

I don't see people using, say, Ghengis Khan as an example instead. Nope, always with the Hitler. :/

author=Solitayre
Of all the things that have come out of this thread, finding out that Liberty thinks Hitler is treated unfairly by history is by far the most bizarre.

Oh ho ho! If you want bizarre, I know of some games that would make your head spin. They're not even on this site (or made in RPG Maker), that's how bizarre they are!

author=Solitayre
Of all the things that have come out of this thread, finding out that Liberty thinks Hitler is treated unfairly by history is by far the most bizarre.

Liberty's point still stands, though. Referencing Nazis and Hitler whenever somebody expresses an opinion against a ruling or idea has become an over-used cliche, and oftentimes used as a means to silence a particular group from expressing an opinion that another person doesn't like.

In other words, when somebody pulls out the Nazi / Hitler card to hinder a person's expression, they wind up looking more like the person they themselves are referencing.

*pours a 40 out for hitler*

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*sobbing* he only had one ball

author=Sated

No topic is ever clear-cut white and black. Only an immature mind would believe that.

There are actually lots of topics that are clear-cut. To say that there aren't any topics that are clear-cut is in itself saying that the topic of whether or not there are topics that are clear-cut is clear-cut and so the statement defeats itself.

There's no good argument against gay marriage; at least none that I've seen whilst this has been going on. Since I highly doubt that anyone is going to come up with one, this issue is pretty clear-cut as far as I'm concerned. It's not even like this is a complex issue where there are lots of factors to consider.

People have already mentioned in this topic legit reasons why this, as a law, is a bad idea - because it shouldn't be up to the government to make that call. You'll note that I was quite particular with my language in that post, talking about the law itself, not the actual equality allowed in a marriage. If you'd bothered to read instead of just pick a piece and try to make an argument out of it, of course.

And there's always some circumstance that can be argued against any topic to make it grey instead of just black and white. Always. The world has never been and will never be a place of definites. There will ALWAYS be possiblities and reasons outside of your narrow world view that will count as valid arguments against/for something that may SEEM cut and dried. It's inevitable.


'Good' reasons against gay marriage as proposed by the scientific community:
- Stagnation of the race in the case that it becomes too wide-spread.
- Opens the doors to other, less-accepted forms of marriage like incest and the like

Other reasons:
- Forces others to accept ideals that they don't believe in.
- Children being bullied over their different parents.


The last one I can understand as that is what happened to my mother - she was bullied an incredible amount as a child and teenager because her mother was homosexual. It didn't help that her mother started a relationship with a girl her daughters' age (when they were about 19/20, who she'd also part-raised). This has led to extreme homophobia on my mother's part and she has passed that down to 4/6 of her kids. The two exceptions are myself (pansexual) and my sister (who accepted my coming out about 2 weeks ago... after I came out to my mother hours earlier).

That kind of bullying can be a hard cross to bear for a child and in my mother's case, it led to a very rough childhood for her and her sisters who were all accused of being lesbians, beaten up by other girls, attacked by boys, ignored by authority figures because of their mother being what she was, and just having a shitty early life in general.


That said, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. I don't believe any but the last point (and that, I feel, will be erased with the opening of hearts and minds on the issue, by making it a normal thing).

Frankly, I don't preclude there being a good argument against it... from someone else's point of view. Just because it doesn't seem like a good reason to you doesn't mean they don't have reason to feel that way OR that their thoughts on the matter don't count.

author=GreatRedSpirit
clearly this is not a case of the hitlers, now please report to the gaystapo so they can get you gay married to your dog

You can get a case of hitlers now? I thought they only came in 6 packs.

Yes I'm being flippant, it happens every time Godwin's gets invoked, I just can't help myself.
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Slash, people fight it because they disagree with it, the same way you or I would fight something we disagreed with, though I'm making the assumption you, like I, would use logic rather than religion. In this case though it doesn't matter. They lost, everyone else won. It's time to celebrate before we gear up for the next fight in this struggle.