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[GAME OVER] SPY VS. MAFIA
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CloseI mentioned Hex colours right at the start but that was because the red piano was using really hurt my eyes. And I bold a lot for emphasis. It's my go-to for emphasising words. Well, it and italics. And italics and bold. I rarely use underline, though. Not a fan of it.
I guess so Libby, I just didn't see too many examples of you using it was all, eh, it's probably nothing.
Okay, you may not be batman Tung. It seems possible but your point makes a lot of sence!
(Right, schooltime, see you guys later)
Okay, you may not be batman Tung. It seems possible but your point makes a lot of sence!
(Right, schooltime, see you guys later)
I know I should be frowning on metagaming right now, but DAYUM psy, are the FBI hiring in your local area, because those were some maaaad detective skills.
I have to admit I find Liberty a bit suspicious in this game as well. I don't think she was trying to divert anyone, but her natural frustration at losing a comrade due to metagaming may have been leaking out.
Also, I may have laid a bit of a trap in the previous Day, with this:
If you think about it, there's not much suspicious about what Isrieri wrote. However, Liberty did not think so:
This is kinda suspect because Isrieri's post came during the revelations. I can't help but think that Liberty sensed that the Mafia were in trouble due to TL's revelations, hence was looking for an escape.
Admittedly, that quote alone is a bit of a stretch, but combined with her frustration and general wishy-washiness of her posts (esp. after TL came along), I think Liberty's a good bet.
#lynch Liberty
I have to admit I find Liberty a bit suspicious in this game as well. I don't think she was trying to divert anyone, but her natural frustration at losing a comrade due to metagaming may have been leaking out.
Also, I may have laid a bit of a trap in the previous Day, with this:
author=Meauthor=Isrieri
I'll hammer us right now if you can tell me, TangledLion, who you think the other colors are. I think I might already know one of them.
What did Isrieri mean by this?
If you think about it, there's not much suspicious about what Isrieri wrote. However, Liberty did not think so:
author=Liberty
That is a good question and one I meant to bring up at the time but got side-lined by revelations.
What did you mean by it, Isri?
This is kinda suspect because Isrieri's post came during the revelations. I can't help but think that Liberty sensed that the Mafia were in trouble due to TL's revelations, hence was looking for an escape.
Admittedly, that quote alone is a bit of a stretch, but combined with her frustration and general wishy-washiness of her posts (esp. after TL came along), I think Liberty's a good bet.
#lynch Liberty
https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/20712/?post=732403#post732403
Found it! XD
Took a while, since it was in reply to another post and thus didn't read registering without reading both, but I also pointed out that killing both of them off would be completely stupid.
Granted, it was a few pages after Gourd's post, but still... it shouldn't prove him innocent completely to point out something so damn basic. Not a great argument for innocence there.
Now to compile a few posts.
Found it! XD
Took a while, since it was in reply to another post and thus didn't read registering without reading both, but I also pointed out that killing both of them off would be completely stupid.
Granted, it was a few pages after Gourd's post, but still... it shouldn't prove him innocent completely to point out something so damn basic. Not a great argument for innocence there.
Now to compile a few posts.
With regards to this
IIRC, the LockeZ meta stuff happened while there was almost zero suspicion of LockeZ. Why would I throw him under the bus when there was no actual need to do so?
author=Liberty
Also, Yellow Magic is experienced enough a player that I wouldn't consider him using a sacrifice ploy as a major play. If we were talking about some of the less experienced players, then yeah, that might be a bit much, but there are some like yourself, Yellow, myself, LockeZ and possibly Gourd now (he's been in a fair amount of games now to have picked up tricks, but still slide under the radar as 'newbie').
IIRC, the LockeZ meta stuff happened while there was almost zero suspicion of LockeZ. Why would I throw him under the bus when there was no actual need to do so?
Um, it was suspicious, actually, and frankly I've three people in my sights atm - oddRABBIT, Isrieri and Gourd. The fact that he was saying he'd kill any discussion straight off if he didn't get an answer over a question is beyond stupid and incredibly suspicious. It would work in mafia's favour to have discussion halted at that point. Add to that why he didn't just straight out say who he thought one of the colours were instead of being all "I know but I'm not telling~~~" is also suss as fuck.
There's more, but I'll compile that soon. I'm working on something else.
There's more, but I'll compile that soon. I'm working on something else.
author=Yellow Magic
Admittedly, that quote alone is a bit of a stretch, but combined with her frustration and general wishy-washiness of her posts (esp. after TL came along), I think Liberty's a good bet.
#lynch Liberty
Oddrabbit, the WORST kind of move we could make right now is kill off a player based on "how useful" they are.
Why? Because believe it or not, we have mafia cornered. TangledLion WAS technically part of mafia, just as a double agent who could also communicate with an influence town-aligned agents. There are as many mafia members as there are agents, so 3 on each side.
LockeZ, who we now know is scum, got axed.
Tungerman got nightkilled.
That means there is ONE PERSON left on mafia's side, against two agents (one being me, obviously) and the rest of town. Lynching someone with so little basis is WASTEFUL when we are at a critical moment in the game where we REALLY should be analyzing what each person posted.
... In that regard, Liberty you are raising a lot of flags on my end, here.
You were the only other person besides me that noted how much of a threat TL is as a double agent. Coincidentally TL is nightkilled, despite the fact that that I'm a PRIME TARGET being an agent who confirmed his role.
Less suspicious but equally coincidental was your early post referencing Hex colors. Sure, I can buy that you suggested it mainly to get piano to post something that hurts the eyes less, but why did you go as far as to give examples without necessarily being asked to? How do we know you are telling the whole truth?
Why? Because believe it or not, we have mafia cornered. TangledLion WAS technically part of mafia, just as a double agent who could also communicate with an influence town-aligned agents. There are as many mafia members as there are agents, so 3 on each side.
LockeZ, who we now know is scum, got axed.
Tungerman got nightkilled.
That means there is ONE PERSON left on mafia's side, against two agents (one being me, obviously) and the rest of town. Lynching someone with so little basis is WASTEFUL when we are at a critical moment in the game where we REALLY should be analyzing what each person posted.
... In that regard, Liberty you are raising a lot of flags on my end, here.
You were the only other person besides me that noted how much of a threat TL is as a double agent. Coincidentally TL is nightkilled, despite the fact that that I'm a PRIME TARGET being an agent who confirmed his role.
Less suspicious but equally coincidental was your early post referencing Hex colors. Sure, I can buy that you suggested it mainly to get piano to post something that hurts the eyes less, but why did you go as far as to give examples without necessarily being asked to? How do we know you are telling the whole truth?
author=Yellow Magic
With regards to thisauthor=Liberty
Also, Yellow Magic is experienced enough a player that I wouldn't consider him using a sacrifice ploy as a major play. If we were talking about some of the less experienced players, then yeah, that might be a bit much, but there are some like yourself, Yellow, myself, LockeZ and possibly Gourd now (he's been in a fair amount of games now to have picked up tricks, but still slide under the radar as 'newbie').
IIRC, the LockeZ meta stuff happened while there was almost zero suspicion of LockeZ. Why would I throw him under the bus when there was no actual need to do so?
I just said you were experienced enough to do that in reply to someone else saying that no-one would be able to pull it off/try to do so, indicating you as that someone - not that I actually think you did. I also pointed out that a few of us would probably have the skills to try it, which is true. It's been done before, and effectively. That anyone would count that as an impossible play is silly - nothing is an impossible play in this game, apparently.
Right, because mafia would be silly enough to paint themselves with the colours of suspicion like that and then kill the guy off. Besides, I'm not the only person who pointed that out. Gourd was also one of the others who did too. Is he suddenly now Mr Green as well? Maybe. Maybe not.
Lemme finish this compilation goddamnit. XD
Lemme finish this compilation goddamnit. XD
#cancel
#lynch Yellow Magic
Let me explain to you guys why Yellow Magic is mafia.
First off. OF COURSE Liberty isn't mafia! She didn't do anything suspicious yesterday! Apart from posting a little oddly. But it was an odd an exciting day 1.
But Liberty did act weird enough that I thought something could be up. So after I calmed down and got some sleep I realized something.
Liberty, do you remember what I said about Gourd? Why would mafia pass up the chance to lynch two agents?
They wouldn't.
Etc etc. Check his older posts.
When I was talking earlier about how Liberty was trying to use the confusion to her advantage. I actually meant YM. He was clearly trying to get us to take down Ratty & TL any way he could. He continued to try and see if anyone could hop on board a bandwagon with him even after he canceled his vote
in an extremely obvious manner so that we all could soak it in.
Even earlier during the day he was trying to kill off Ratty because he and LockeZ probably agreed he was the best target. LockeZ started earlier with his insinuations I've already mentioned, but once that died off, YM found a way to bring conversation back around to him.
I was already suspcious of Ratty so I fell for this too. But after Ratty was flipped an agent by TL it became pretty clear that LockeZ was up to something. When he flipped scum, you better believe YM wasn't getting away with this because of the sudden plot twist! The two of them were blatantly working together.
So I decided to confess that I was, indeed, not an agent. Liberty's posts seemed convincing enough that I could work with them (and if she was in fact an agent, all the better) but I tried to set up my case so that it would make it seem like she was an agent. If mafia can nail an agent today, and kill Ratty in the night, the game is won. They'd have to go for it.
Town might find me super suspicious because I have been saying weird things. But scum? Scum is going to go after Liberty. That possibility of agent-hood is too good to pass up.
#lynch Yellow Magic
Let me explain to you guys why Yellow Magic is mafia.
First off. OF COURSE Liberty isn't mafia! She didn't do anything suspicious yesterday! Apart from posting a little oddly. But it was an odd an exciting day 1.
But Liberty did act weird enough that I thought something could be up. So after I calmed down and got some sleep I realized something.
Liberty, do you remember what I said about Gourd? Why would mafia pass up the chance to lynch two agents?
They wouldn't.
author=Yellow Magic
This is awesome.
If Ratty is indeed Mafia, I think it's pretty obvious who's going to be night killed, so if there's a doctor/bodyguard-like role in the game, you know who to protect. If Ratty is not Mafia, our next target is obviously TangledLion themselves.
Either way, lynching Ratty is THE best course of action right now.
author=Yellow Magicauthor=TangledLionYou said the Agents have the names Tom, Harry and Rick, and Mafia have the aliases Black, Orange and Green.
Libby, the Double Agent Can Side With Agents or Mafia, And has Access to both chats I chose Agents and began Feeding info to them. Also The Agents have the code names Tom(me), Harry, And Rick, While the Mafia have Black(Me), Orange(Who I am POSITIVE is Ratty) And Green.
And at the same time - you think BOTH you and Ratty are actually agents? Are is it the case that actually you're BOTH MAFIA?
author=Yellow Magicauthor=KloeOh right LOL.
YM, you have many facts mixed up.
1. Ratty accused Tangled of being double, not the other way
In that case, TangledLion, would it not make sense that Ratty was indeed Mafia? Why would you suddenly not think so? Unless you really ARE both Mafia after all...
Etc etc. Check his older posts.
When I was talking earlier about how Liberty was trying to use the confusion to her advantage. I actually meant YM. He was clearly trying to get us to take down Ratty & TL any way he could. He continued to try and see if anyone could hop on board a bandwagon with him even after he canceled his vote
author=Yellow Magic
Okay, so in this case wouldn't it make more sense to NOT lynch Ratty? Because if we don't and he really IS a town-aligned agent, he's probs gonna be night killed anyway, right? After all, two nightkills are all Scum need to win the game.
#cancel
in an extremely obvious manner so that we all could soak it in.
Even earlier during the day he was trying to kill off Ratty because he and LockeZ probably agreed he was the best target. LockeZ started earlier with his insinuations I've already mentioned, but once that died off, YM found a way to bring conversation back around to him.
author=Yellow Magic
Ratty I am going to copy and paste your 'scum list' (actually more like nothing list) for posterity:
Out of 13 people mentioned in this post, you only had any sort of insight on the first couple.
why on Earth did you even need to mention the last eight if you couldn't get a read on them?
You are literally the only person so far apparently compelled to comment on everyone - why is that?
author=Yellow Magic
I actually do this type of thing a lot, by the way.
When I'm working on a long post, and I come to a point in the post that requires me to actually think a bit, I usually jump ahead and start writing the rest of the post, and try to fill in the gaps later.
The question in you case would be: Why would you have to think hard about why you found Kloe suspicious?
I can think of only one answer: You were trying to fabricate something.
#lynch Ratty524
I was already suspcious of Ratty so I fell for this too. But after Ratty was flipped an agent by TL it became pretty clear that LockeZ was up to something. When he flipped scum, you better believe YM wasn't getting away with this because of the sudden plot twist! The two of them were blatantly working together.
So I decided to confess that I was, indeed, not an agent. Liberty's posts seemed convincing enough that I could work with them (and if she was in fact an agent, all the better) but I tried to set up my case so that it would make it seem like she was an agent. If mafia can nail an agent today, and kill Ratty in the night, the game is won. They'd have to go for it.
Town might find me super suspicious because I have been saying weird things. But scum? Scum is going to go after Liberty. That possibility of agent-hood is too good to pass up.
Also, how does pointing out things that others might have missed point me as scum again? It would have been dangerous to keep him alive as the last agent because we had no idea which side he swung to. He'd already said that he had no official side - so if he was the last agent left alive, that might have been problematic for us since we'd have no idea if he reverted to agent or scum.
https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/20712/?post=732917#post732917
Also, I don't know if it helped at all - I do know there are powers in this game for sure - but there's a reason you didn't die last night.
https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/20712/?post=732917#post732917
Also, I don't know if it helped at all - I do know there are powers in this game for sure - but there's a reason you didn't die last night.
Isrieri, I was the one who suggested looking at the Orange Mafia's posting style before anyone else. Can you explain why I would have done that as a Mafia? Ever?
Can you also point out why I canceled my vote for Ratty as I was going to sleep? If I started a bandwagon why the shit would I end it? Look at this post:
LOOK AT IT. Jesus Christ
author=me
Okay, so in this case wouldn't it make more sense to NOT lynch Ratty? Because if we don't and he really IS a town-aligned agent, he's probs gonna be night killed anyway, right? After all, two nightkills are all Scum need to win the game.
#cancel
LOOK AT IT. Jesus Christ
You mean this one?
Followed by this one?
Well first off: How in the HELL could any of us have expected Psy to whip out something so incredibly precise and damning against LockeZ? I sure as hell didn't. And judging from Liberty's wrath she sure as hell didn't. I don't think anybody did. Least of all you two.
But since the juicy news in the scumchat was at last out, why not try and use it to your advantage? You probably thought that you could mislead town by getting us to point fingers away from the actual scum and toward people you knew were town. The ladies of the group. Joyless was already a day 1 casualty so it must have worked even somewhat. And since I decided to pick on Liberty, all the better to try and jump on her and maybe use this previous argument to pull the wool over our eyes?
author=Yellow Magic
Also, let's keep in mind TangledLion's paste of the conversation between Mafia members (although I'm not sure how legal this is?) We can make a note of the posting style of Mr. Orange, and compare it to the posting style of everyone playing the game.
No. We have code names for a reason, this is not a secure line
~Mr. Orange
The problem with choosing who to kill overnight is we don't know who each-other are. If one of us suggests "Kill X" and another one of us is X, then X has to give away his or her identity.
I propose this method:
I'll list four possible people I think would be good targets to lynch. Each of you then tell me which of those four you think I should pick. Tell me it's a "weak preference" if it's just your opinion of which one would be the best target. Tell me it's a "strong preference" if you are one of the other three people. Based on your preferences I'll pick who to kill tonight.
If both of you have a strong preference, and you prefer two different people, I'll pick someone else to kill who wasn't in my list of four people (to ensure I'm not killing scum).
Tomorrow we'll do the same thing except Mr. Green will choose the list, and on day three Mr. Black will choose the list.
Sound like a plan? It's a little convoluted, but it ensures our safety as well as I think is reasonably possible.
~Mr. Orange
Followed by this one?
author=LockeZ
Saying "his or her identity," in the context of them all having code names that start with "Mr.", makes me think Mr. Orange might be a woman. A man would be less likely to think of that possibility and would probably just say "his identity."
Well first off: How in the HELL could any of us have expected Psy to whip out something so incredibly precise and damning against LockeZ? I sure as hell didn't. And judging from Liberty's wrath she sure as hell didn't. I don't think anybody did. Least of all you two.
But since the juicy news in the scumchat was at last out, why not try and use it to your advantage? You probably thought that you could mislead town by getting us to point fingers away from the actual scum and toward people you knew were town. The ladies of the group. Joyless was already a day 1 casualty so it must have worked even somewhat. And since I decided to pick on Liberty, all the better to try and jump on her and maybe use this previous argument to pull the wool over our eyes?
author=Ratty524
Oh fuck it.
Things aren't always BLACK and WHITE
There's always a list to choose from, and the chooser on the third day will be BLACK
We have code names for a reason, and this is not a secure line.
The ORANGES will give out more data each day.
Also WHITE surpremcy.
#lynch TangledLion
author=TangledLion
Well, Thanks for outing yourself as Mafia You Derp, Yes I AM The Double Agent, Not that is matters, Green Can't Kill me on his own...
Did TL know that Green was male or was he just assuming? He did say a few times that agents and mafia had code-names but maybe Green slipped up and referred to themselves by gender? A thought.
More likely he just assumed, though.
author=TangledLion
No. We have code names for a reason, this is not a secure line~Mr. Orange
The problem with choosing who to kill overnight is we don't know who each-other are. If one of us suggests "Kill X" and another one of us is X, then X has to give away his or her identity.
I propose this method:
I'll list four possible people I think would be good targets to lynch. Each of you then tell me which of those four you think I should pick. Tell me it's a "weak preference" if it's just your opinion of which one would be the best target. Tell me it's a "strong preference" if you are one of the other three people. Based on your preferences I'll pick who to kill tonight.
If both of you have a strong preference, and you prefer two different people, I'll pick someone else to kill who wasn't in my list of four people (to ensure I'm not killing scum).
Tomorrow we'll do the same thing except Mr. Green will choose the list, and on day three Mr. Black will choose the list.
Sound like a plan? It's a little convoluted, but it ensures our safety as well as I think is reasonably possible.
~Mr. Orange
author=TangledLion
WAIT! Just Come Back for a sec to say this, Something orange said After The Cluster-party Started:
"Yeah, Ratty needs to die.
Ratty's clearly not actually mafia. He voted to lynch TangledLion, the one person in this chat room whose identity was extremely obvious (because you capitalize random words, you snurdburglar). If Ratty were mafia, he wouldn't have known which person in scum chat was the double agent - he wouldn't have voted against TangledLion like that. But if he was the double agent, he would know that everyone else in scum chat was mafia, so voting for any of us would make sense.
But then TangledLion also admitted to being the double agent. So I assume that they're both against us. "
For some reason I thought there were some quotes from Mr Green in this jumble but no. Goddamnit TL, why didn't you quote some of green's stuff too?!
We don't have much to go on. Green is obviously mafia, and TL said that green couldn't kill him by himself, so that must mean that TL was killed by something else, right? Then that means Joyless was mafia kill last night. Then who killed TL?
