[GAME OVER] SPY VS. MAFIA

In case I Die, Here is the Master Log so far:
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Mr. Black=Tangledlion/Agent-Tom
Mr. Green=???
Mr. Orange=LockeZ

pianotm:Welcome to the Spy vs. Mafia Scum Chat! We'll start at noon time, CST on Friday!
05-04-2016 05:06 PM ET (US)

Special alert. It has come to my attention that there may be a double agent. Be careful what you discuss.

Mr.Black:Manchester James Black At your Service! But Can call me Mr. Black, A Alias Obviously, can't be too Careful with a double agent around...

Speaking of, should we say who we Really are Now, to help each other more, or do we wait til one of us gets in hot water with the town? I'm game for either...
05-04-2016 06:32 PM ET (US)

Mr. Green:Mr. Green is reporting for duty. It is probably best not to say who we are unless we really need to out ourselves. The PM did say that others may be watching so we cannot be too careful.
05-04-2016 09:47 PM ET (US)

Mr. Orange:No. We have code names for a reason, this is not a secure line
05-04-2016 09:48 PM ET (US)

Mr. Green:I just asked piano if there were any details in the Town and Agent PMs that aren't in ours - way things are worded differently, for example, so that we do not get caught out by people referring to stuff in their PMs that we don't have. Better safe than sorry.
05-04-2016 09:57 PM ET (US)

Mr.Black:Good Idea Green, Don't want to be unprepared...
05-04-2016 11:09 PM ET (US)

Mr. Green:Apparently they are the same, though rule 5 indicates mafia instead of agents.
05-05-2016 12:06 AM ET (US)

Mr.Black:Ok Mates, So, I think We Should Figure out who to kill when the night cycle comes round, I personally think it should be Ratty, Since we have no way of knowing who the agents are at this point, we might as well just pick some rando...
05-06-2016 05:41 PM ET (US)

Mr. Orange:The problem with choosing who to kill overnight is we don't know who each-other are. If one of us suggests "Kill X" and another one of us is X, then X has to give away his or her identity.

I propose this method:

I'll list four possible people I think would be good targets to lynch. Each of you then tell me which of those four you think I should pick. Tell me it's a "weak preference" if it's just your opinion of which one would be the best target. Tell me it's a "strong preference" if you are one of the other three people. Based on your preferences I'll pick who to kill tonight.

If both of you have a strong preference, and you prefer two different people, I'll pick someone else to kill who wasn't in my list of four people (to ensure I'm not killing scum).

Tomorrow we'll do the same thing except Mr. Green will choose the list, and on day three Mr. Black will choose the list.

Sound like a plan? It's a little convoluted, but it ensures our safety as well as I think is reasonably possible.
05-06-2016 06:38 PM ET (US)

Mr.Black:Sounds better than my plan, Let Piano know that is how we are doing things...
05-06-2016 07:12 PM ET (US)

pianotm:I should actually clarify this, because that is an important point. I had decided to do this from the beginning.

You can only use your night kill power together, meaning, you have to decide here to kill. That greatly reduces the chances of hitting each other by accident. But in the unlikely chance you accidentally target each other, the kill will miss, and hit another player. Because it's a little unfair, I'm tipping the roll in double favor of vanilla town, but there's still a chance you'll hit an agent that way.

Now, that's for scum's main night kill power, only. Any other power does not need to be discussed in here.

To be clear, you are not immune to night kills, just to night killing each other.
05-06-2016 07:56 PM ET (US)

Mr.Green:What if we create a list of possible kills each, then whittle that down to 3 or 4 between us (there may be some overlap between them). After that we apply Mr Orange's idea. In this way we each of us have a hand in creating the list of kills - no one person has the power to decide who is applicable for death. No offence meant to you, Mr Orange, but if you are a spy within our midst, it would not do well for us to allow you to control the names of the people we choose to lynch.

Thus far I believe we should set our aims for some of the more experienced hands such as Yellow Magic, Isrieri, Liberty and LockeZ. Ratty is another viable option to add to that list, too.
05-07-2016 04:06 AM ET (US)

Mr. Orange:Fair enough. Just understand that by doing so, you're giving out more data each day about who you aren't.
05-07-2016 06:18 AM ET (US)

Mr. Orange:We'll leave it up to each person whether they want to suggest names for the list or not. I'm not going to force you to, and I have no intention of doing so when I'm not the one making the list.
05-07-2016 06:21 AM ET (US)

Mr. Green: While it does give out a little more information about ourselves, it does not leave the power in any one person's hands to pick which is dangerous if the person who picks is the possible spy among us. I would much rather not have one person have all the power when it comes to the kill vote, and choosing the possible candidates is quite a power.

Although another way to go about it would be to hand that power off each night phase - so one person pick on day 1, another on day 2, another on day 3.

Or perhaps we discuss people as they appear to be good choices and then pick from those during the night phase.

Giving one person the unlimited ability to pick our possible kills for us is quite an idiotic thing to do.
05-07-2016 08:37 AM ET (US)

Mr. Orange: I did say to hand it off each night phase...
05-07-2016 09:49 AM ET (US)

Mr.Black:I Say we go with Green's Variant Of decision Making. It Seems the best way to avoid Wasting a hit on anyone. It makes sense...
05-07-2016 04:53 PM ET (US)

Mr. Green:So Ratty is Mr Orange. I suppose this means we need to send in the rescue party. Of course, if any of us chooses to remove our vote on you (assuming either Mr Black or I have one) that would seem quite suspicious if you are lynched and thus found out. That said, I'm sure one of us can try to throw a line or two your way, if we do not have a problem with outing ourselves to each other, of course.

Oh, Mr Black, which of my variants were you alluding to? The one where we each of us point out a few likely candidates or the one where we just discuss possible people as they pop up and see if any overlap brings us to a logical conclusion of names. Or perhaps the passing off each night?
05-07-2016 05:23 PM ET (US)

Mr. Orange:I'm not Ratty. I believe he's just listening to our chat without speaking.
05-07-2016 05:35 PM ET (US)

Mr. Orange:Unless of course you're Ratty, Mr. Green.
05-07-2016 05:39 PM ET (US)

Mr. Green:Of course, if you were Ratty you would deny straight out being Ratty here. If the case is that you are not Ratty and that he is just watching our chat, we should perhaps just let the blighter hang. He's not mafia so what should it hurt? This way he would not cause trouble later down the road by exposing our strategies. Never leave a living witness, I say.
05-07-2016 05:46 PM ET (US)

Mr. Green:Ah, but if he turns out to be an agent, anyone who lynch-voted him would be suspect. Perhaps it would be best to hold off for a while just in case.
05-07-2016 05:55 PM ET (US)

Mr. Orange:Yeah, Ratty needs to die.

Ratty's clearly not actually mafia. He voted to lynch TangledLion, the one person in this chat room whose identity was extremely obvious (because you capitalize random words, you snurdburglar). If Ratty were mafia, he wouldn't have known which person in scum chat was the double agent - he wouldn't have voted against TangledLion like that. But if he was the double agent, he would know that everyone else in scum chat was mafia, so voting for any of us would make sense.

But then TangledLion also admitted to being the double agent. So I assume that they're both against us.
05-07-2016 05:56 PM ET (US)

Agent-Tom:Welp, Looks like ratty handed you the win, GG
05-07-2016 05:58 PM ET (US)

Mr. Orange:And now there are agents in here!
05-07-2016 06:05 PM ET (US)

Mr. Green:Well then, Agent Tom, hats off to you. And who shall we kill tonight, Mr Orange?

@piano, if we find someone is an agent can we ignore their input on kills? It's quite likely that they will not allow us to kill their partner, after all, and will likely try to cause a blockage. As a matter of fact, they may try to stop us from killing anyone at all. Is that a possibility?
05-07-2016 06:07 PM ET (US)

pianotm:It was a possibility but it's limited now; it was a problem I caught while waiting for the beginning of day phase. Your game is not unwinnable.
05-07-2016 06:22 PM ET (US)

Mr. Orange: Radio silence until night phase.
05-07-2016 06:26 PM ET (US)

pianotm:I am counting your vote, Double Agent. You never had a specific kill ability. Your vote here was majority rules and I don't think mafia will be voting with you anymore. I was referring to something different.
05-07-2016 06:48 PM ET (US)

Mr. Green:I shall honor my fallen comrade and speak no more in this room until the pestilence that is the rat be removed. I do abhor rodents so.

Do my votes now mean nothing? Perhaps it would be best that I not vote at all and allow my fellow scum to choose a name, hm? Who will you kill, Mister Black. Or should I call you Tom?
05-07-2016 08:50 PM ET (US)

Agent-Tom:So, Who do you want dead you "snurdburglar" As Dear Departed LockeZ would Say, Hmmm ;)
05-07-2016 08:51 PM ET (US)

Mr. Green:You, preferably, Mister Lion. Or your little Rat friend.
05-07-2016 08:52 PM ET (US)

Agent-Tom:Well, I Would Never Vote For Myself... Or Him
05-07-2016 08:53 PM ET (US)

pianotm:I do not allow stalemates. Dice rolls decide all.
05-07-2016 08:54 PM ET (US)

Mr. Green:The Rabbit. #kill oddRABBIT
05-07-2016 08:55 PM ET (US)

pianotm:Mr. Black, you are in an interesting position. You could vote, and know there's a 50 percent chance of whoever you vote for getting lynched. You also know that if you vote for mafia, your vote will miss and hit someone else. This must be an interesting conundrum for you.
No matter what you do, town will die this night.
05-07-2016 08:56 PM ET (US)

Mr. Green:Wait. #cancel Your roll is random, meaning that it may also hit agents? If that proves to be true then I shall vote for any that the turncoat does not. A stalemate with a random chance of destroying a foe is a better option for me
05-07-2016 08:57 PM ET (US)

Agent Tom:After some Deliberation I Vote #kill Joyless

I will Find you, you sick Monster!

Know this, I have Given the other agents a MASTER Chat Log, WITH TIMESTAMPS! You Can't Win!
05-07-2016 09:17 PM ET (US)