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antigod
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CloseI've been a lurker for a little while, and played around with some of the RPG Maker programs, but never released anything.
Today, I visited this site on a whim, and I saw the GAYmak the Rainbow contest, and figured this would be the perfect time to jump in.
I probably don't have time to make anything spectacular, considering the deadline is in two days, but I'll never get started with game-making unless I force myself, and what a great opportunity to show support for the LGBT community!
Today, I visited this site on a whim, and I saw the GAYmak the Rainbow contest, and figured this would be the perfect time to jump in.
I probably don't have time to make anything spectacular, considering the deadline is in two days, but I'll never get started with game-making unless I force myself, and what a great opportunity to show support for the LGBT community!
If you want to make an entry to that event within the deadline, my humble suggestion would be to really buckle down, and aim to make something simple. Especially if you've done no prep-work before-hand! Maybe the result will be rushed and no good, but, you would have made something, and maybe even have learned a thing or two along the way.
Regardless, welcome to RMN! Share your creativity with us!
Regardless, welcome to RMN! Share your creativity with us!
antigod
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author=InfectionFiles
Hell yeah! Welcome to to RMN officially and go make a game!
author=Marrend
If you want to make an entry to that event within the deadline, my humble suggestion would be to really buckle down, and aim to make something simple. Especially if you've done no prep-work before-hand! Maybe the result will be rushed and no good, but, you would have made something, and maybe even have learned a thing or two along the way.
Regardless, welcome to RMN! Share your creativity with us!
Thanks, guys. Girls. Or whatever.
Here's my idea:
Gay Agenda: Apocalypse
In the late 2900's, the LGBT community has finally won its war against the moral fabric of society. Heterosexuality has been declared a hate crime punishable by death, ushering in a glorious gay utopia in which people can finally be themselves, and, with a lack of breeders, the cosmic cancer known as humanity will gradually die out and leave the universe in peace. The world is divided into two factions - gay and lesbian - to prevent opposite genders from once again becoming attracted to each other and resurrecting the breeder virus.
A century later, without warning, the lesbians attack. It turns out that the gay agenda of global depopulation was masterminded by lesbians all along, who have decided that, with genetic engineering and artificial insemination, the Y chromosome is no longer necessary for the future of humanity, and never planned to allow the human race to die out - only the men...
So begins the war.
Both sides, however, seem to have forgotten about the ancient prophecy that the recincarnation of Christian evangelical pastor James Dobson would one day bring an end to gay utopia, unless someone can stop him...
And, unbeknownst to those on the surface, breeders have survived in the sewers, mutating and preparing their own surprise attack on the fabulous society that tried to wipe them out...
Choose from one of three factions to join (Gay, Lesbian, and Breeder), and several separate sub-classes of each and decide the fate of Earth.
There probably won't be anything released by tomorrow other than a demo, but I've got a bit done already.
It's satire, and, ah, won't be a G-rated game - think Rick & Steve: The Happiest Gay Couple with a sci-fi twist.
I'll probably keep working on it even after the deadline.
Do keep in mind that we have rules about what we do and don't allow on the site. That's not to say we don't allow PG+ or M-rated games on the site, of course, but typically satire games tend to take things a bit too far, so I'm personally a little worried how it will go, especially as you're new and might not know the level we allow.
Just a tip:
- no hate speech (unless it's of a serious/practical nature - think a game based around the 40s and how gay or black people were treated at the time.)
- no porn (pretty much anything detailed that involves describing or showing nipples, ass or genitals)
- mild sexual content (while we do allow things like rape, only when it's shown in a bad light and not used as a joke. Sex in and of itself is fine if it's kept non-detailed, non-CG and not for the sake of just having sex.)
Of course, if you have questions about what is and isn't allowed, you're more than free to PM me to ask. ^.^)b
Just a tip:
- no hate speech (unless it's of a serious/practical nature - think a game based around the 40s and how gay or black people were treated at the time.)
- no porn (pretty much anything detailed that involves describing or showing nipples, ass or genitals)
- mild sexual content (while we do allow things like rape, only when it's shown in a bad light and not used as a joke. Sex in and of itself is fine if it's kept non-detailed, non-CG and not for the sake of just having sex.)
Of course, if you have questions about what is and isn't allowed, you're more than free to PM me to ask. ^.^)b
antigod
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When I called my dad earlier this evening and told him about the idea for this game, his response was something along the lines of, "You'd better make sure they can't find you if you make this. They'll charge you with a hate crime. America isn't free anymore, you can't even refuse to bake cakes for people. What if the fags figure out who you are and trace this back to our family? What if me and your mother get investigated?"
Completely missing the point, that his sort of paranoia is exactly what I'm making fun of. (The fact that I'm LGBT myself did not enter the conversation, nor will it ever, though I suspect he knows.)
Socially relevant, yes, but a "game based around the 40s and how gay or black people were treated at the time" is too pretentious and afterschool special for somebody like me. There is a good message here, but, no, it won't be somber, sappy, or anywhere in the neighborhood of politically correct or remotely reverent. Like Rick & Steve, and unlike Gen Zed, it won't even be overtly preachy - blink and you'll miss it. The stereotypes and hate-words and black comedy will be ubiquitious, albeit used in a similar vein to the aforementioned cartoon, and justified in context. It will say "faggot" and "dyke", and quite a lot, usually by gays self-referentially as opposed to in a hateful context. Sure, the more conservative types might not care for the language, but there will be a onscreen warning before the game starts, and it's not like I'm not gonna hold a gun to anyone's head and make them play it.
Expect an endless stream of middle school humor, but no porn, rape, nudity or even actual sex is planned.
Anyways, if you're going to host games that gleefully advocate and reward abduction, sexual assault and humiliation, torture, and serial murder with no consequences for said behavior in the name of "art" (and you should - that's a damn good game) then I should be able to make a game with some bad language that pokes fun at the social issues surrounding my sexuality.
It's going to be one to skip if don't like black-and-blue comedy or you're lacking in the sense of humor department, but it's probably not going to violate any pornography or hate speech laws anywhere.
I understand the concerns, but I'm trying for a hard-R vibe here, and promise I won't go any further than that.
So, you're demonizing LGBTQ people in the name of satire. -_- Let me be the first to say that this isn't really a very cool thing you're doing here. Due to Poe's Law, even if you're a master of satire, there are going to be plenty of people who take your game at face value, and that's not a good thing.
You are of course free to make any game you want, but I feel like this is the opposite of the sort of thing that LGBTQ pride is all about.
You are of course free to make any game you want, but I feel like this is the opposite of the sort of thing that LGBTQ pride is all about.
You're free to make that game but there's no guarantee that it will be accepted. Nor do we have to for any reason. Because it frankly sounds horrible.
But, y'know, go for it if that is how you wanna spend your time.
But, y'know, go for it if that is how you wanna spend your time.
antigod
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author=unity
So, you're demonizing LGBTQ people in the name of satire. -_- Let me be the first to say that this isn't really a very cool thing you're doing here. Due to Poe's Law, even if you're a master of satire, there are going to be plenty of people who take your game at face value, and that's not a good thing.
You are of course free to make any game you want, but I feel like this is the opposite of the sort of thing that LGBTQ pride is all about.
If you can't tell that a game in which "LGBT community has finally won its war against the moral fabric of society. Heterosexuality has been declared a hate crime punishable by death..." and featuring James Dobson, God of the Mutant Breeders from the Sewers as primary antagonist is supposed to be a joke, you belong in a mental hospital or a special ed class somewhere, not playing games.
Anyways, having pride doesn't mean lacking a sense of humor or being hyper-sensitive to juvenile humor.
author=InfectionFiles
You're free to make that game but there's no guarantee that it will be accepted. Nor do we have to for any reason. Because it frankly sounds horrible.
But, y'know, go for it if that is how you wanna spend your time.
Well, it would say a lot about your character if you accept games about abduction, sexual humiliation, and torture, but don't accept an LGBT pride game from a LGBT person on the basis of some foul language.
Anyways, maybe it won't be as horrible as you think.
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author=antigodauthor=unityIf you can't tell that a game in which "LGBT community has finally won its war against the moral fabric of society. Heterosexuality has been declared a hate crime punishable by death..." and featuring James Dobson, God of the Mutant Breeders from the Sewers as primary antagonist is supposed to be a joke, you belong in a mental hospital or a special ed class somewhere, not playing games.
So, you're demonizing LGBTQ people in the name of satire. -_- Let me be the first to say that this isn't really a very cool thing you're doing here. Due to Poe's Law, even if you're a master of satire, there are going to be plenty of people who take your game at face value, and that's not a good thing.
You are of course free to make any game you want, but I feel like this is the opposite of the sort of thing that LGBTQ pride is all about.
And yet your father responded to the idea with: "You'd better make sure they can't find you if you make this. They'll charge you with a hate crime. America isn't free anymore, you can't even refuse to bake cakes for people. What if the fags figure out who you are and trace this back to our family? What if me and your mother get investigated?" He himself thinks that LGBTQ people will be outraged at this. If he thinks that way, why should anyone else think differently?
AND YES, there will be people who TAKE THIS COMPLETELY AT FACE VALUE. That's the world we live in. People's beliefs have gotten so extreme that they CANNOT TELL IT'S SATIRE. That's what Poe's Law is all about.
author=antigod
Anyways, having pride doesn't mean lacking a sense of humor or being hyper-sensitive to juvenile humor.
After all the years where I couldn't find a story with LGBTQ characters unless they died in the end (very common until recently), and villains are still being coded LGBTQ, you'll forgive me if I don't find anything funny with your idea. "Haha, look, I'm portraying gay people just as evil as some people still believe they are" is neither clever nor humorous, and it isn't celebrating pride.
antigod
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author=unityauthor=antigod..
After all the years where I couldn't find a story with LGBTQ characters unless they died in the end (very common until very recently), and villains are still being coded LGBTQ, you'll forgive me if I don't find anything funny with your idea. "Haha, look, I'm portraying gay people just as evil as some people still believe they are" is neither clever or humorous, and it isn't celebrating pride.
Look. If you think those views should be normalized, or at least ignored, that's your opinion, but some of us want to call them out.
Fact of the matter is, the world isn't filled with happy, fuzzy, warm feelings for LGBT people all of the time, and art should reflect that.
If I can call out homophobic paranoia and do it in a humorous and constructive way, how is that not having pride? The battle hasn't been won just yet.
If you don't call out these types of beliefs, people will just keep having them. If nobody was as stupid as my dad, there wouldn't be a point to a game like this, but some people are, and they should get called out on it.
That convo with my dad also lead to a learning experience in which he discovered what the definition of "hate crime" and "discrimination" are, and that there isn't, in fact, a vast homosexual conspiracy waiting to sic the CIA on him for no reason.
I already said that it's not for the easily-offended, and if you or anyone else takes this game at face value and unironically connects it to a real-life worldview even after playing it - and I'm talking to everyone here - please don't have children.
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Do you even listen to yourself?
People who start by saying "OH IT'LL BE SATIRE HEHE" are exactly the people who don't know how it works and are just being asses. So I have exactly 0 faith in your statement.
Also "breeder" is totally a porn term and I'm pretty sure it's flagged you in the eyes of most a lotta people, aside from everything else. A lot of warning bells going crazy here, I can't possibly be the only one.
With some luck I'll be wrong, but man from what you say I don't expect it.
Heres the thing: it sounds like you're projecting shitty hater views and trying to pass it as satire. And plain shouting "IT AINT SO" isn't going to help at this point because a shitton of your statements sound that way.
Cheers. I hope I'm proven wrong.
People who start by saying "OH IT'LL BE SATIRE HEHE" are exactly the people who don't know how it works and are just being asses. So I have exactly 0 faith in your statement.
Also "breeder" is totally a porn term and I'm pretty sure it's flagged you in the eyes of most a lotta people, aside from everything else. A lot of warning bells going crazy here, I can't possibly be the only one.
With some luck I'll be wrong, but man from what you say I don't expect it.
Heres the thing: it sounds like you're projecting shitty hater views and trying to pass it as satire. And plain shouting "IT AINT SO" isn't going to help at this point because a shitton of your statements sound that way.
Cheers. I hope I'm proven wrong.
author=antigod
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Look. If you think those views should be normalized, or at least ignored, that's your opinion, but some of us want to call them out.
Fact of the matter is, the world isn't filled with happy, fuzzy, warm feelings for LGBT people all of the time, and art should reflect that.
I live in an area where being open in public about my sexuality is a dangerous idea. I never said the world was an LGBTQ paradise. We are far, far from there.
I'm not calling you out for your intentions. Your intentions may be 100% for the best. I'm calling you our for your methods. I'm saying that even if you were a master craftsperson in writing or games that you'd probably still be making a mistake.
I'm also not saying you can't make something dark and real. The world needs the dark side of the situation, too, rather than just the constant fluff that people like me create. But that doesn't mean the way you're going about it is right.
author=antigod
If I can call out homophobic paranoia and do it in a humorous and constructive way, how is that not having pride? The battle hasn't been won just yet.
If you don't call out these types of beliefs, people will just keep having them. If nobody was as stupid as my dad, there wouldn't be a point to a game like this, but some people are, and they should get called out on it.
That convo with my dad also lead to a learning experience in which he discovered what the definition of "hate crime" and "discrimination" are, and that there isn't, in fact, a vast homosexual conspiracy waiting to sic the CIA on him for no reason.
I already said that it's not for the easily-offended, and if you or anyone else takes this game at face value and unironically connects it to a real-life worldview even after playing it - and I'm talking to everyone here - please don't have children.
If you really think this is the best way to call out people, if you really think this is what the world needs, then by all means, make the game. I'm not going to stop you. All I'm saying is, from your synopsis, it sounds like you're shooting yourself in the foot here.
Maybe I'm completely wrong and you can make a good game that will really turn heads and change minds. But I personally think its going to need a lot more than "stereotypes and hate-words and black comedy."
Sooz
They told me I was mad when I said I was going to create a spidertable. Who’s laughing now!!!
5354
When the current vice president sincerely believes in gay conversion "therapy" and The Gay Agenda, I feel like maybe we're not at the level where this "satire" works. I mean so far it's literally just repeating what a lot of people legit believe, which is super iffy, since it's also presenting a "you choose who to be!" viewpoint.
I dunno, maybe you're capable of pulling it off in a respectful manner, but at the moment I can't even tell what you're satirizing. Like, yes, satire involves taking views to absurd extremes, but so far you don't seem to be explicitly showing these views as absurd, you're just using them as a setting. :/
I dunno, maybe you're capable of pulling it off in a respectful manner, but at the moment I can't even tell what you're satirizing. Like, yes, satire involves taking views to absurd extremes, but so far you don't seem to be explicitly showing these views as absurd, you're just using them as a setting. :/
Housekeeping
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That seems like really obvious satire to me, and I'm in a pretty red state. It's definitely possible to be shitty at satire and present the material poorly, but I wouldn't assume that of someone out of the blue. Let them fail at an idea before you shoot them down.
Though, I would remove the gays and lesbians fighting aspect, as I think that might muddy the waters (especially given the time constraints of the competition). I would just have an over-the-top evangelical staging a resistance against what is obviously all of their fears come to fruition. I would also make that character clearly gay through subtext.
Though, I would remove the gays and lesbians fighting aspect, as I think that might muddy the waters (especially given the time constraints of the competition). I would just have an over-the-top evangelical staging a resistance against what is obviously all of their fears come to fruition. I would also make that character clearly gay through subtext.
Red_Nova
Sir Redd of Novus: He who made Prayer of the Faithless that one time, and that was pretty dang rad! :D
9192
antigod, Liberty has offered to talk to you about the specifics of what's acceptable here on RMN. Instead of yelling at everyone here, I suggest you take her up on that offer. If you're fine and your game is accepted, then you can let your game speak for you and hopefully prove everyone wrong. What you're doing right now? It's not helping you one bit.
Sooz
They told me I was mad when I said I was going to create a spidertable. Who’s laughing now!!!
5354
author=Housekeeping
That seems like really obvious satire to me, and I'm in a pretty red state. It's definitely possible to be shitty at satire and present the material poorly, but I wouldn't assume that of someone out of the blue. Let them fail at an idea before you shoot them down.
It really doesn't seem like it's satirizing anything tho. It certainly seems like a farce, but not a satire. The former is just "things taken to absurd and comical levels," the latter is "specifically criticizing a thing by taking it to absurd levels."
If you're just taking what antigay people believe and depicting it as a thing that happens, only absurd, that's not really satirizing anything. It's just making it a farcical setting. vOv
Housekeeping
3571
That's a pretty thin distinction. How would it not be criticizing the evangelical fever dream by taking that to its absurd conclusion?
Edit: To expand, pointing out absurdities is performing a critique.
Edit: To expand, pointing out absurdities is performing a critique.
author=antigodauthor=unityIf you can't tell that a game in which "LGBT community has finally won its war against the moral fabric of society. Heterosexuality has been declared a hate crime punishable by death..." and featuring James Dobson, God of the Mutant Breeders from the Sewers as primary antagonist is supposed to be a joke, you belong in a mental hospital or a special ed class somewhere, not playing games.
So, you're demonizing LGBTQ people in the name of satire. -_- Let me be the first to say that this isn't really a very cool thing you're doing here. Due to Poe's Law, even if you're a master of satire, there are going to be plenty of people who take your game at face value, and that's not a good thing.
You are of course free to make any game you want, but I feel like this is the opposite of the sort of thing that LGBTQ pride is all about.
Anyways, having pride doesn't mean lacking a sense of humor or being hyper-sensitive to juvenile humor.
author=InfectionFiles
You're free to make that game but there's no guarantee that it will be accepted. Nor do we have to for any reason. Because it frankly sounds horrible.
But, y'know, go for it if that is how you wanna spend your time.
Well, it would say a lot about your character if you accept games about abduction, sexual humiliation, and torture, but don't accept an LGBT pride game from a LGBT person on the basis of some foul language.
Anyways, maybe it won't be as horrible as you think.
Firstly, there is a HUGE difference between a satire and a game like BE: Dungeoneer which seriously presents issues through a dark protagonist who you're NOT supposed to like or completely understand. A VERY VERY big difference.
Comedy in and of itself always ALWAYS has a positive connotation attached, even if it's darker than the darkest night in nature. It's supposed to make you laugh, foremost, and part of that can be poking at the darkest of subjects and going "Hey, look, there's worse!" or "Not as bad as you think~" but always with a positive spin in the presentation. That's the way satire lends itself, no matter how dark - finding that funny moment in-between to poke fun at.
HOWEVER!
Just because you can do satire doesn't mean we will accept it. I already told you to PM me details if you want to talk over the eligibility of the game, but I want to point out that when I say no hate speech, I mean that hate speech of any kind in a way that is detrimental to the group it is against, unless used in a negative way (as in the character using that speech is presented as in the wrong for using it and not forgiven for it's use by the game) will not be allowed.
You know, unless you can prove your ability to use it in such a way that it casts a radiant transformative magic of some sort to make it's use negative but include positive connotations of the group against which it is used.
However, going by the way you are interacting with people here you seem to be unable to get rid of certain biases and some of the insults you use certainly show you to have the inability to do such a thing and more the likely the inclination to do so. You come off more as someone who is deliberately trying to make a hate-filled game and pass it off as satire in order to laugh in the face of LGBT.
