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Nightblade
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Closepost=114325post=114323I think he's correct.
Hilariously incorrect.post=114310post=114272Hilariously incorrect.The argument that everything but gameplay is unimportant is ridiculous.This, this is correct.
No u
(You're wrong by the way)
Which one? I'm confused now...
Darken
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post=114310
Hilariously incorrect.
What!?! Graphics/Story/Sound actually has to connect and be on the same realm as gameplay in order to improve the game entirely?! HILARIOUS!
There's no way that I'm going to believe that everything except gameplay is unimportant. Yes, gameplay is the most important, but music, graphics, and aesthetic count too.
Unless you're saying that music and graphics are entirely unimportant. Yep, I'm going to start playing every single game I own on mute and on the absolute lowest graphical settings. Yep, that won't have any impact on my enjoyment of the experience at all! No siree! Gonna toss all of my video game OSTs in the trash. They're stupid, they don't count for anything. I guess I wasted money on my graphics card too.
Unless you're saying that music and graphics are entirely unimportant. Yep, I'm going to start playing every single game I own on mute and on the absolute lowest graphical settings. Yep, that won't have any impact on my enjoyment of the experience at all! No siree! Gonna toss all of my video game OSTs in the trash. They're stupid, they don't count for anything. I guess I wasted money on my graphics card too.
post=114328
There's no way that I'm going to believe that everything except gameplay is unimportant. Yes, gameplay is the most important, but music, graphics, and aesthetic count too.
Unless you're saying that music and graphics are entirely unimportant. Yep, I'm going to start playing every single game I own on mute and on the absolute lowest graphical settings. Yep, that won't have any impact on my enjoyment of the experience at all! No siree!
Nope, you're definitely not blowing their argument out of proportion. I think I'll give up on everything that doesn't have a polygon count of three million per frame. It's not like I'll miss anytihng worth playing, no siree!
Nope, you're definitely not blowing their argument out of proportion. I think I'll give up on everything that doesn't have a polygon count of three million per frame. It's not like I'll miss anytihng worth playing, no siree!
I'm merely taking the statement at face value; "Everything except gameplay is unimportant."
To be fair, I think a game should have their priorities as:
I can enjoy games that have other priorities, such as Xenosaga, but they almost always feel like games trying to be something other than a game.
Gameplay > (Story + Setting + Characters) > (Graphics + Music)
Nightblade
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post=114329
Um, why are you agreeing with me?
Obviously there's been a big misunderstanding amongst the "no u" chain.
Darken
3952
Gameplay > (Story + Setting + Characters) > (Graphics + Music)
Ideally it is more:
Gameplay = (Story + Setting + Characters) = (Graphics + Music)
Though it looks terrible mathwise, it essentially means no aspect should be completely neglected. People should not look at what's important, but what's actually considered and what fits.
WolfCoder
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Gameplay does not need a story, barely a setting and barely characters. Don't confuse RPGs with the general idea of a computer game.
post=114342
Gameplay does not need a story, barely a setting and barely characters. Don't confuse RPGs with the general idea of a computer game.
This is RPG Maker we're talking, sir. The RMs can create games of all kinds, but I assume we're focusing on RPGs for this discussion since that's what the RM series excel at.
Darken
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post=114342
Gameplay does not need a story, barely a setting and barely characters. Don't confuse RPGs with the general idea of a computer game.
Please come back when you understand what I'm trying to say. Hint: (every game has a semblance of story for the sake of having a goal, whether or not it needs it as the focus is up to the developer and his vision).
Kaempfer
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post=114293
OH AND HOW DARE YOU MISTAKE ME FOR NIGHTBLADE. I guess the avatars are too similar, I should fix that.
No that was my bad, I totally knew you were you, Neo, but I was FUMIN' MAD and I got the names mixed up (not really mixed up, my brain went "Nightblade" and my hands followed suit). Sorry to both of you guys!
post=114293
And I would hug Cray to apologize for this tangent. :(
THIS TOPIC BELONGS TO ME NOW! FUGAHGA.
Also, I think statistic gave some really good insight on the matter, and maybe even pintpointed my reasoning better than my own thoughts did. If anyone skipped over his post because it's a bit wall of texty, go back and read it.
Speaking of statistic, he posted a link to Flixel the other day, which led me to a flash game called FATHOM. To anyone who has any doubts that music and the right graphics (they aren't over the top in any way, they're just done right) can make a game amazing, just check it out. No download, since it's flash, and it's very short. http://www.adamatomic.com/fathom/ Adam Atomic and db Soundworks are both masters of their craft as far as I'm concerned.
edit: MOG I think you agree with me, since your posts seem to indicate that. Except... you say "hilariously incorrect" to my statement, which is incongruous with your later remarks. Please clarify.
edit: MOG I think you agree with me, since your posts seem to indicate that. Except... you say "hilariously incorrect" to my statement, which is incongruous with your later remarks. Please clarify.
I agree with you. The 'hilariously incorrect' statement that spawned a clusterfuck of confusion was because I thought that Darken was saying 'This, this is correct' in reference to 'everything except gameplay is unimportant'.
WolfCoder
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post=114346
...Please come back when you understand what I'm trying to say...
Don't wait for me too long, now.
post=114339
Ideally it is more:
Gameplay = (Story + Setting + Characters) = (Graphics + Music)
Though it looks terrible mathwise, it essentially means no aspect should be completely neglected. People should not look at what's important, but what's actually considered and what fits.
Yours is closer to how I think of it. I break it down by senses:
Game = Graphics (sight) + Gameplay/Interactivity (touch) + Audio (sound)
Story I just toss under the mighty Gameplay tent. I figure it's value is akin to something like the action of jumping. Neither is required for gameplay in a general sense, but a story is to RPGs like jumping is to platformer's. Plus a story seems to be capable of carrying the entire Gameplay section by itself. A Blurred Line, and The Way series the stories totally compensate for some other dubious mechanics that would drag the games down several pegs otherwise. Historically it's usually the story that takes a backseat to mechanics, so it might just be a indie game phenomenon that it can go the other way.
