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Can't say I have but my past interests (aka: I was a teenage Goth) lead inevitably to me coming across him as a figure and gleaning some passing knowledge about all that sort of stuff :D haha. I'm familiar with that quote and know a little about who he was, what he was about etc.
I read a bit of him in college. Actually, I read all the Crowley I could get my hands on, which wasn't that much. His stuff is pretty hard to find. I haven't really lent any actual credence to the occult since early high school/late middle school, but my fascination with it has been life long and in college especially I wound up doing a bunch of semi-serious research into it. The allusion to him in this game is a rather common misinterpretation of his most often quoted doctrine. Do what thou wilt is actually much less ominous than it sounds, but Backstage does of course endeavor to make the occult scarier than it is like...anything peripherally belonging to the horror genre that mentions the occult, lol.
Crowley is a fascinating guy. I'm glad you have some idea who he was; I'm always surprised when people have never heard of him. In my mind, he should easily be on a list of the top 100 most important people of the 20th century. He's a misunderstood figure in a lot of ways, but don't get me wrong, he was also probably a terrible, terrible person and more imporantly, just about totally batshit insane.
Crowley is a fascinating guy. I'm glad you have some idea who he was; I'm always surprised when people have never heard of him. In my mind, he should easily be on a list of the top 100 most important people of the 20th century. He's a misunderstood figure in a lot of ways, but don't get me wrong, he was also probably a terrible, terrible person and more imporantly, just about totally batshit insane.
*sigh* (I feel embarassed talking like this on rmn) But here goes:
Yeah, Crowley's doctrine, minus the occult overtones and spooky window dressing, to me at least, resembles a sort of proto-existentialism. Satre's concept of "bad faith" (the habitual renunciation, under many guises, of the radical, sickening freedom that is the human condition - to act in "bad faith" is to treat yourself as a fixed, defined object in the world and thereby alleviate the anxiety of having to exercise your freedom to choose meaning and your will at any given moment) bears a resemblance to what Crowley was "against" in his philosophy of will. Which is, really not very ominous at all, more of a pragmatist no-nonsense worldview than anything spooky.
Speaking of him not being recognized - I was given a book for Christmas last year which basically reads like the who's-who of history's greatest thinkers and their most famous maxims and I'm almost 100% sure he's in there along with his "Do what thou wilt" stuff.
Yeah, Crowley's doctrine, minus the occult overtones and spooky window dressing, to me at least, resembles a sort of proto-existentialism. Satre's concept of "bad faith" (the habitual renunciation, under many guises, of the radical, sickening freedom that is the human condition - to act in "bad faith" is to treat yourself as a fixed, defined object in the world and thereby alleviate the anxiety of having to exercise your freedom to choose meaning and your will at any given moment) bears a resemblance to what Crowley was "against" in his philosophy of will. Which is, really not very ominous at all, more of a pragmatist no-nonsense worldview than anything spooky.
Speaking of him not being recognized - I was given a book for Christmas last year which basically reads like the who's-who of history's greatest thinkers and their most famous maxims and I'm almost 100% sure he's in there along with his "Do what thou wilt" stuff.
That's good. And I think you're mostly right.
But remember that Do What Thou Wilt comes from the Book of the Law which is almost entirely mystical nonsense, about how he went on this crazed vision quest and a spirit told him about the ushering in of a new age which he would be the prophet of. Like many religious figures, I don't think even he knows when he's being rhetorical and when he's being not. So even if 'Do what thou wilt' is something we can assign a reasonable secular meaning too, there's no lack of capital 'c' Crazy in Crowley's body of work.
Also why do you feel embarrassed talking about this on RMN? Should we be talking about the merits of various chapsets and the three tile rule? *puffs ivory pipe*
But remember that Do What Thou Wilt comes from the Book of the Law which is almost entirely mystical nonsense, about how he went on this crazed vision quest and a spirit told him about the ushering in of a new age which he would be the prophet of. Like many religious figures, I don't think even he knows when he's being rhetorical and when he's being not. So even if 'Do what thou wilt' is something we can assign a reasonable secular meaning too, there's no lack of capital 'c' Crazy in Crowley's body of work.
Also why do you feel embarrassed talking about this on RMN? Should we be talking about the merits of various chapsets and the three tile rule? *puffs ivory pipe*
Hmm, well I suppose I can rule out Crowley as a purveyor of practical philosophical advice then :P
Oh just you know - pretentious is never a non-derogatory word :D
Oh just you know - pretentious is never a non-derogatory word :D
That's one way of putting it...their relationship is very...very...very fucked up.
But spoiler-wise, I'm probably saying too much already.
But spoiler-wise, I'm probably saying too much already.
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author=Max McGeeChristian is a sick bastard. Is all I can say after seeing that motel scene. :P
That's one way of putting it...their relationship is very...very...very fucked up.
But spoiler-wise, I'm probably saying too much already.
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