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author=Veridianne link=topic=1012.msg14231#msg14231 date=1209941642
I ... hope this doesn't escalate.
There is absolutely no reason for that to happen. New members is a good thing, welcome, enjoy yourself, contribute, ???, profit.
sanosuke
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author=Mr.Nemo link=topic=1012.msg14228#msg14228 date=1209941162NIGHTBLADE:
ImmortalDreamer, apparently the things I say are considered "trolling" to them, when I said to the contrary, well I got banned for it. Take away from that what you will.
Last night on IRC I was told I was being trolled by community staff, as absurd as that sounds. Apparently, the community staff on GW are in no way obligated to behave themselves; which is kind of ironic, don't you think?
Sarevok came to visit too! After calling me a "cunt" for "trolling" he quickly departed back to whatever it was he was doing.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to bring this debate here; but debate over this goes in an endless loop. An endless loop where one side constantly mis understands the other. I can only speak for myself; but here's what I agree with.
Great: I'd love a higher quality of all types of games.
Great: I'd like more people to come to the site
Great: I'd love to be scrutinized to a higher standard
I don't know how many times one must state this to these people, but there's NOTHING wrong with the goal, but how do they go about this? They have trash talking, trolling "community staff" belittling the maker Game and Demo was founded on? When a disagreement is raised, suddenly the person is "cunt" who "only likes crappy FF clones"? It just looks like the other side is very out of touch and refuses to see game and demo's side of the argument, passing off as ignorance.
I don't see it as a problem that a site's staff have opinions on matters, and the way they express it, it's up to them.
But, Magical Negro, for one actually mentioned you and Demon Legacy, as a good example of a devoted developer who put out a lengthy qualitative RMgame.
Also, how could they change what they want to achieve, by other means, in your suggestion?author=sanosuke link=topic=1012.msg14226#msg14226 date=1209941006
http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=71580.new#new
This is the thread I made in G&D to bring awarness to what is going on.
That was... completely unnecessary.
Ok its completely unnecessary to YOU, you weren't the one being bashed for 8 pages, you weren't trying to defend your work or others in the rm community...your right that wasn't needed for people in your situation but FOR ME and people in M situation that was VERY much needed and I have no regrets posting that.
author=harmonic link=topic=1012.msg14232#msg14232 date=1209941876author=Veridianne link=topic=1012.msg14231#msg14231 date=1209941642
I ... hope this doesn't escalate.
There is absolutely no reason for that to happen. New members is a good thing, welcome, enjoy yourself, contribute, ???, profit.
No, what was I meant was I hope RMN does not become looked upon like, say, Ghostlight.
Mr.Nemo
1295
So you don't think I am a part of the RM community? That's news to me.
The only reason they "bashed you" was that they couldn't make you realize what they were trying to do. I mean, during the time I read the ongoing arguments, my support for the idea wavered; at first, I thought it seemed like a biased, really shitty idea. This, however, all cleared up with some serious discussing and sorting things out.
The only reason they "bashed you" was that they couldn't make you realize what they were trying to do. I mean, during the time I read the ongoing arguments, my support for the idea wavered; at first, I thought it seemed like a biased, really shitty idea. This, however, all cleared up with some serious discussing and sorting things out.
Please do not make any more posts of this sort at GW. It only serves to create infighting. We don't need another GGZ/GW-era cold war. If you want to convince people to come over here, do it in a more diplomatic fashion.
And Nemo, you need to understand that it's not JUST the forum changes that bother people. I read that topic once already and reading it again will not change my opinion on the matter. GW is becoming an increasingly divisive community. Maybe changing the forums would help, maybe not, but it will not solve the core problem, which I discussed in my previous post.
So yeah guys, just drop it.
And Nemo, you need to understand that it's not JUST the forum changes that bother people. I read that topic once already and reading it again will not change my opinion on the matter. GW is becoming an increasingly divisive community. Maybe changing the forums would help, maybe not, but it will not solve the core problem, which I discussed in my previous post.
So yeah guys, just drop it.
sanosuke
0
author=Mr.Nemo link=topic=1012.msg14238#msg14238 date=1209942376You don't get it...I'm not upset that they are trying to change their set up in order to cater to both GW community and Indie Developers. You have this notion that I don't understand what they are trying to do when infact I really do...but that is not what is upsetting me. What pisses me off is that the Community Staff, the people who run that site see the RM community as a joke...they have said repeatedly that nothing good has come out of RM that it is all fluff and there is no creativity there. Basically the very people in charge of things have done nothing but insult a large chunk of the community..that is why I'm pissed off.
So you don't think I am a part of the RM community? That's news to me.
The only reason they "bashed you" was that they couldn't make you realize what they were trying to do. I mean, during the time I read the ongoing arguments, my support for the idea wavered; at first, I thought it seemed like a biased, really shitty idea. This, however, all cleared up with some serious discussing and sorting things out.
Ok I'm done with this so I hope I cleared my intentions and if not that oh well...moving on.
author=Veridianne link=topic=1012.msg14241#msg14241 date=1209942521
Solution: Someone just lock this topic.
Would...if I could
Mr.Nemo
1295
I see where both you and Karsuman are coming from. But yeah, there's no point in arguing over this on a completely different website.
I guess you have to take the staff for what they are, simply. Personally, I have nothing against them.
But yes, lock the topic.
I guess you have to take the staff for what they are, simply. Personally, I have nothing against them.
But yes, lock the topic.
I just wrote this whole big ass post about my thoughts, but y'know what. You should just drop it. This isn't GW. This whole thing is a daft LOL.
I vote for a lock.
I vote for a lock.
demondestiny
889
for that we need one of the admins on. Where is Kentona and wip? I haven't seen them on here in a couple of days.
dethmetal
990
Internet. Serious business.
Seriously though, I think the GW thing is bullshit. I don't really say anything there because I don't want to be flamed and I don't feel like defending myself. I only go on G&D and whatnot there because the people in the community, besides most of the G&D people, are assholes. I tried to become more of a regular on the General and the 'Post 9/11 World' or whatever the fuck it is but the community is just not as great as they say. Every post in 9/11 is basically them speaking like internet noobs and repeated fads that were never funny. General is a bit better, but it seems nobody there is really as intelligent or witty as they make themselves out to be. They're all just elitists.
I actually came into this topic to ask why Blindmind was banned from there?
Seriously though, I think the GW thing is bullshit. I don't really say anything there because I don't want to be flamed and I don't feel like defending myself. I only go on G&D and whatnot there because the people in the community, besides most of the G&D people, are assholes. I tried to become more of a regular on the General and the 'Post 9/11 World' or whatever the fuck it is but the community is just not as great as they say. Every post in 9/11 is basically them speaking like internet noobs and repeated fads that were never funny. General is a bit better, but it seems nobody there is really as intelligent or witty as they make themselves out to be. They're all just elitists.
I actually came into this topic to ask why Blindmind was banned from there?
Nightblade
2723
Well, things haven't become inflammatory, so I fail to see what harm calm dialog would do. But if you don't like this here, feel free to lock it. I'd just like to answer one last question.
Was that before or after he trolled me?
Whether or not he's insulting me directly offers little comfort to me. He's insulting my friends, and the community I belong to. When I was still learning how to do things; I put out my fair share of crappy games. We should be encouraging people to improve; offering advice to those games who are "just crappy jrpg clones" instead of berating them simply because of the maker they use.
It is not my job to think of a better solution. All I know is what's happening now is an embarrassment to the site that was once miles ahead of the late RPG2knet, now it has somehow fallen below that.
But, Magical Negro, for one actually mentioned you and Demon Legacy, as a good example of a devoted developer who put out a lengthy qualitative RMgame.
Was that before or after he trolled me?
Whether or not he's insulting me directly offers little comfort to me. He's insulting my friends, and the community I belong to. When I was still learning how to do things; I put out my fair share of crappy games. We should be encouraging people to improve; offering advice to those games who are "just crappy jrpg clones" instead of berating them simply because of the maker they use.
Also, how could they change what they want to achieve, by other means, in your suggestion?
It is not my job to think of a better solution. All I know is what's happening now is an embarrassment to the site that was once miles ahead of the late RPG2knet, now it has somehow fallen below that.
trance2
500
author=Nightblade link=topic=1012.msg14276#msg14276 date=1209944339Though I should know better than to get involved in this -- amen, reverend. I couldn't have said it better myself.
We should be encouraging people to improve; offering advice to those games who are "just crappy jrpg clones" instead of berating them simply because of the maker they use.
dethmetal
990
Another thing that pisses me off about GW is that Nightblade is like the laughing stock of it now. There's a topic where everyone is talking about how glad him and couple others are band and somebody even mentioned renaming 'banned' to 'Nightbladed' :-\ But it doesn't really matter, does it?
