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CloseYeah, telling someone you just saved someone from drowning doesn't change the fact that you saved someone from drowning.
author=Seiromem
Yeah, telling someone you just saved someone from drowning doesn't change the fact that you saved someone from drowning.
Nah, if you brag about it, the person you saved will melt into tapioca soon afterwards.
one time a guy stopped me from stepping out on to the street. I would have been hit by a car. but then later that evening I suddenly was a mangled mess with a broken leg. I guess he bragged about it to his wife when he got home.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
7874
Wow, nobody gets it? Glad that's the world I live in. Maybe everyone needs a dollar and a pat on the back for letting the dog out, too (I left the backdoor wide open, so I should get a fat stack dropped on me later tonight)? I dunno, doing right for the sake of it seems reward enough, yeah?
I was going to take a shower last night and my dad said that it was good that I was going to take a shower. That added nothing to the fact that I took a shower, just that I got my ego stroked for being a "good person" for doing something that everyone else does every day.
I was going to take a shower last night and my dad said that it was good that I was going to take a shower. That added nothing to the fact that I took a shower, just that I got my ego stroked for being a "good person" for doing something that everyone else does every day.
Look, corf, it's not like they did the good thing to get a pat on the back or a prize. (Maybe now that the prize exists but as long as people are getting helped I can't really care as to their reasons for doing the good.) Besides, a few of the people who got the achieve are consistently helping people out on the forums - that's a lot of time they spend on it, so getting noticed for it is something that is worth being happy about.
What matters most is that they did do something good. Frankly, if they want to brag about it... well, how does that undo their work exactly? If it pushes others to go out and do good then why don't we support people doing so? The stupid constructs that say "Good people should do this, this way!" needs to be lost and forgotten in time.
If people were rewarded for good things as opposed for punished for bad, people are going to be more likely to do the good. Even if it's for selfish reasons, that doesn't stop the good that occurred due to it from happening. People are still getting helped in their lives so how is that bad again? It's not.
Besides, people do good to feel good about doing good. It gives you the warm fuzzies to do something for someone else and feel like you made a difference. There's always a pay-off for doing it.
Aside from all that, please, feel free to do good on these forums. Doing so might net you a badge and even if you have one already, doing more good things will net you duplicates. Because I believe in rewarding people for doing good things! So, you know, if bragging brings to light that such an achievement exists and gets people to help others out more around the site, I can't say it's a negative thing.
What matters most is that they did do something good. Frankly, if they want to brag about it... well, how does that undo their work exactly? If it pushes others to go out and do good then why don't we support people doing so? The stupid constructs that say "Good people should do this, this way!" needs to be lost and forgotten in time.
If people were rewarded for good things as opposed for punished for bad, people are going to be more likely to do the good. Even if it's for selfish reasons, that doesn't stop the good that occurred due to it from happening. People are still getting helped in their lives so how is that bad again? It's not.
Besides, people do good to feel good about doing good. It gives you the warm fuzzies to do something for someone else and feel like you made a difference. There's always a pay-off for doing it.
Aside from all that, please, feel free to do good on these forums. Doing so might net you a badge and even if you have one already, doing more good things will net you duplicates. Because I believe in rewarding people for doing good things! So, you know, if bragging brings to light that such an achievement exists and gets people to help others out more around the site, I can't say it's a negative thing.
author=Corfaisus
Wow, nobody gets it? Glad that's the world I live in. Maybe everyone needs a dollar and a pat on the back for opening the mailbox, too? I dunno, doing right for the sake of it seems reward enough, yeah?
I guess I just don't get you, Corf. Once in a while you come across as a genuinely nice and enlightened guy who cares about others, someone I'd like to hang out with. But most of the time you come off as someone with a "cooler-than-all-of-you" douchey attitude who lives to rain on others parades and mock them, excusing your own poor attitude with "I'm not sugar-coating." So statements like this are confusing to me.
You think good should be done for the sake of good, but those who brag about it on the internet need old Corf to come and bring them down? Because he knows all about virtue? This seems very hypocritical to me. You seem to be the one who lacks virtue.
author=Corfaisus
I dunno, doing right for the sake of it seems reward enough, yeah?
Which is exactly what they did. Being nice just to make other people think you're awesome is one thing. Doing something nice and then openly being happy about the fact you were recognised for it is something very different.
Nobody here tried to be helpful for the sake of ego-stroking or getting an achievement, because that's what happened afterwards. And being happy about unexpectedly receiving an achievement is not an evil act. It's really sad that you seem to feel the need to be so negative about it.
Edit: Did I just seriously get ninja'd by 3 people at once?
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
7874
author=unityauthor=CorfaisusI guess I just don't get you, Corf. Once in a while you come across as a genuinely nice and enlightened guy who cares about others, someone I'd like to hang out with. But most of the time you come off as someone with a "cooler-than-all-of-you" douchey attitude who lives to rain on others parades and mock them, excusing your own poor attitude with "I'm not sugar-coating." So statements like this are confusing to me.
Wow, nobody gets it? Glad that's the world I live in. Maybe everyone needs a dollar and a pat on the back for opening the mailbox, too? I dunno, doing right for the sake of it seems reward enough, yeah?
You think good should be done for the sake of good, but those who brag about it on the internet need old Corf to come and bring them down? Because he knows all about virtue? This seems very hypocritical to me. You seem to be the one who lacks virtue.
The funny thing about letting one's ego go to the wayside is that there's no room for a "cooler-than-thou" standpoint and some people who carry a more concrete view of the world tend to mistake this for arrogance or combativeness. I'm simply stating the truth. Whether or not you take pain or consideration to naysayers is none of my concern because I've made it a hobby of mine to listen to others, just that I would encourage others to take a moment to listen as well because it was through this that I've found the most development and the most joy.
I just don't believe that we have any room to be conceited. If the point of telling others that you've done good is for them to do good, that's never worked for me. I'm more likely to do good if I'm informed of how someone else has suffered so that I can prevent myself from causing such suffering on another living being. If it's meant as a beacon to improvement, you're putting up a false facade in the hopes of getting something good to wave over the rest of us. Let's not forget that this is something that we should be doing anyway so there's no need for it to be considered an "achievement" but more a sign of being a decent human being. Maybe it's the rest of us who need to step it up?
author=Corfaisus
The funny thing about letting one's ego go to the wayside is that there's no room for a "cooler-than-thou" standpoint and some people who carry a more concrete view of the world tend to mistake this for arrogance. I'm simply stating the truth. Whether or not you take pain or consideration to naysayers is none of my concern because I've made it a hobby of mine to listen to others.
I just don't believe that we have any room to be conceited. If the point of telling others that you've done good is for them to do good, that's never worked for me. If it's meant as a beacon to improvement, you're putting up a false facade in the hopes of getting something good to wave over the rest of us. Let's not forget that this is something that we should be doing anyway so there's no need for it to be considered an "achievement" but more a sign of being a decent human being. Maybe it's the rest of us who need to step it up?
While you may have a point, it would only mean something if it came from someone else. You've shown many times in just your reaction to criticism that you haven't "let your ego go to the wayside" and your reactions to such smack of pettiness, not mere cool-headed observations. The evidence is clear: Your ego is driving you, full throttle, no matter how much you deny it here. You are using this sense of self-enlightenment to hide behind while you continue your pettiness. If someone who wasn't constantly being a jerk told me your words, I might believe them. But not from you.
The point of doing good is to do good, but feeling proud about it is a side effect. If you make a sacrifice to help someone else, you're allowed to be proud of yourself. If you work really hard and, like, paint something beautiful or finish making a brilliant game or just, y'know, do your taxes, you're allowed to take a little pride in a job well done.
There's a world of difference between having pride and being egotistical. The first is about being confident in yourself, the second is about diminishing others.
There's a world of difference between having pride and being egotistical. The first is about being confident in yourself, the second is about diminishing others.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
7874
author=unityauthor=CorfaisusWhile you may have a point, it would only mean something if it came from someone else. You've shown many times in just your reaction to criticism that you haven't "let your ego go to the wayside" and your reactions to such smack of pettiness, not mere cool-headed observations. The evidence is clear: Your ego is driving you, full throttle, no matter how much you deny it here. You are using this sense of self-enlightenment to hide behind while you continue your pettiness. If someone who wasn't constantly being a jerk told me your words, I might believe them. But not from you.
The funny thing about letting one's ego go to the wayside is that there's no room for a "cooler-than-thou" standpoint and some people who carry a more concrete view of the world tend to mistake this for arrogance. I'm simply stating the truth. Whether or not you take pain or consideration to naysayers is none of my concern because I've made it a hobby of mine to listen to others.
I just don't believe that we have any room to be conceited. If the point of telling others that you've done good is for them to do good, that's never worked for me. If it's meant as a beacon to improvement, you're putting up a false facade in the hopes of getting something good to wave over the rest of us. Let's not forget that this is something that we should be doing anyway so there's no need for it to be considered an "achievement" but more a sign of being a decent human being. Maybe it's the rest of us who need to step it up?
I'm sorry you think that I'm always a jerk. I promise you that's far from the truth, however.
Uh-huh. But spending hours helping other people in the forums - precious hours because people only have a set amount - is worth being rewarded for, especially when they do it consistently.
If you notice someone doing good beyond the norm, shouldn't you draw attention to it? Shouldn't you thank them for their hard work and let them know that it is appreciated?
Yes, you should. Doing good deeds can be a tiring, thankless task and it's the small rewards that count the most. If, by giving someone a small achievement, they feel appreciated for their hard work, why wouldn't you give it to them?
Or do you just ignore people who do good deeds because, to you, that 'should' be the norm? That is selfish. Because it is NOT the norm. And people who go beyond the norm should be applauded, not only for them to feel that they've done something of worth in the world, but to also show others what they should aim to do.
People standing on a pedistal saying "This is how it should be but I'm not gonna do anything to help/show the world how it should be better in any way because people should do this anyway (even though they don't)" are not helping the world improve. You can point out a thousand faults but that doesn't mean people will care or that it will help without application - but pointing out one good and showing people an example to follow can change the world. Because then they know that it is possible, that someone has done it and that it is worth doing.
Even if it gets done for selfish reasons, at least it gets done and the impact on the world is a positive one. That is not a bad thing.
A man who saves a life because he enjoys the thrill of danger and is applauded for it, still saved a life. A woman who gives money to the collection plate in church so that people won't look down on her for not doing so, still gave money to the poor. A person who helps out a soup kitchen in order to get a good mark on their resume, still fed the hungry.
The reason does not mitigate the good in the deed.
If you notice someone doing good beyond the norm, shouldn't you draw attention to it? Shouldn't you thank them for their hard work and let them know that it is appreciated?
Yes, you should. Doing good deeds can be a tiring, thankless task and it's the small rewards that count the most. If, by giving someone a small achievement, they feel appreciated for their hard work, why wouldn't you give it to them?
Or do you just ignore people who do good deeds because, to you, that 'should' be the norm? That is selfish. Because it is NOT the norm. And people who go beyond the norm should be applauded, not only for them to feel that they've done something of worth in the world, but to also show others what they should aim to do.
People standing on a pedistal saying "This is how it should be but I'm not gonna do anything to help/show the world how it should be better in any way because people should do this anyway (even though they don't)" are not helping the world improve. You can point out a thousand faults but that doesn't mean people will care or that it will help without application - but pointing out one good and showing people an example to follow can change the world. Because then they know that it is possible, that someone has done it and that it is worth doing.
Even if it gets done for selfish reasons, at least it gets done and the impact on the world is a positive one. That is not a bad thing.
A man who saves a life because he enjoys the thrill of danger and is applauded for it, still saved a life. A woman who gives money to the collection plate in church so that people won't look down on her for not doing so, still gave money to the poor. A person who helps out a soup kitchen in order to get a good mark on their resume, still fed the hungry.
The reason does not mitigate the good in the deed.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
7874
author=Liberty
Uh-huh. But spending hours helping other people in the forums - precious hours because people only have a set amount - is worth being rewarded for, especially when they do it consistently.
If you notice someone doing good beyond the norm, shouldn't you draw attention to it? Shouldn't you thank them for their hard work and let them know that it is appreciated?
Yes, you should. Doing good deeds can be a tiring, thankless task and it's the small rewards that count the most. If, by giving someone a small achievement, they feel appreciated for their hard work, why wouldn't you give it to them?
Or do you just ignore people who do good deeds because, to you, that 'should' be the norm? That is selfish. Because it is NOT the norm. And people who go beyond the norm should be applauded, not only for them to feel that they've done something of worth in the world, but to also show others what they should aim to do.
People standing on a pedistal saying "This is how it should be but I'm not gonna do anything to help/show the world how it should be better in any way because people should do this anyway (even though they don't)" are not helping the world improve. You can point out a thousand faults but that doesn't mean people will care or that it will help without application - but pointing out one good and showing people an example to follow can change the world. Because then they know that it is possible, that someone has done it and that it is worth doing.
He has every right to be given an achievement for what he does; this is a gift given by someone else for reasons that hold true to them. What I disagree with is the implications of telling everyone else in rainbow font how you did a thing.
If people need an example of good behavior, look to mythology or religion. The heroes in those stories are ripe with good behavior. The thing is, the values of those stories are already printed on our hearts as most of us can distinguish right from wrong by what gives us joy or pain and applying that to the fact that we're all like beings. Logically, if I smile at someone, that's a positive notion. Whether or not it makes them feel positive relies on them and their mindset. If they're depressed, a smile won't do any good for them.
We don't need examples, we need extrapolation.
author=Corfaisus
I'm sorry you think that I'm always a jerk. I promise you that's far from the truth, however.
Okay, I'll amend that. 10% of the time you seem like a cool, enlightened human being. It's very strange, and it's honestly the only reason I haven't put you on my Ignore list.
I can't for the life of me figure out why someone who can have that attitude can act like such a negative, nit-picking jerk the rest of the time.
author=Corfaisus
He has every right to be given an achievement for what he does. What I disagree with is the implications of telling everyone else in rainbow font how you did a thing.
He's allowed to have a moment of pride, yo. If he had been bragging about it to the tune of "I'm better than you", then yea, I'd agree with you, but that's not how I read it at all, and I don't think anyone else did either.
author=Liberty
In other news... page 959. :DDD
I remember~
when it gets close, I am going to remove your admin status, lock the topic, and post in it at my own leisurely pace, so that I may claim the 1000
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
7874
author=unityauthor=CorfaisusOkay, I'll amend that. 10% of the time you seem like a cool, enlightened human being. It's very strange, and it's honestly the only reason I haven't put you on my Ignore list.
I'm sorry you think that I'm always a jerk. I promise you that's far from the truth, however.
I can't for the life of me figure out why someone who can have that attitude can act like such a negative, nit-picking jerk the rest of the time.
You have every right to put me on your ignore list if you feel it would benefit you more than having to see every time I post. It would honestly pain me for someone who doesn't want to listen to me to be forced to listen to me, but that stems from my submissive and quiet nature in the real world.
My "negative, nit-picking" behavior, however, stems from my strong belief that people need to know when they've wronged so that they can improve. In spirit, that's what this whole article was about.
