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sanosuke
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CloseWell the topic I made was locked so any large potential shift may not occur but you could try Blitzen...I saw him trying to defend the RM community. But what really pisses me off is how only maybe 5 members from the rm community said anything the entire time the RM part of gaming world was being bashed. Where was everyone else?
If someone (Community Staff) comes to your house (G&D-though alot of topics relating to G&D occured OUTSIDE of G&D...gee I wonder why ::) ) and says they think your a piece of crap and you need to change your ways to please someone else in Canada(Indie developers)....I'm pretty sure you'd be pissed...and confused but pissed. So why is it so few spoke up.
Make your stupid subsections I don't care but when the Staff criticize the RM community for making useless crap and ruining the site than I expect everyone from G&D to voice themselves and I expect these staff members to get warns for useless flaming but neither of those happened.
But to answer ur Q...Blitzen is who I can think off. Though he is a premium member which means he paid for that crap shack so I'm not sure if he'd be willing to switch.
If someone (Community Staff) comes to your house (G&D-though alot of topics relating to G&D occured OUTSIDE of G&D...gee I wonder why ::) ) and says they think your a piece of crap and you need to change your ways to please someone else in Canada(Indie developers)....I'm pretty sure you'd be pissed...and confused but pissed. So why is it so few spoke up.
Make your stupid subsections I don't care but when the Staff criticize the RM community for making useless crap and ruining the site than I expect everyone from G&D to voice themselves and I expect these staff members to get warns for useless flaming but neither of those happened.
But to answer ur Q...Blitzen is who I can think off. Though he is a premium member which means he paid for that crap shack so I'm not sure if he'd be willing to switch.
Well, it took me 6 months to save up money for a Premie account ... and I switched.
( I am poor ok)
But thanks for the suggestion! ;D
( I am poor ok)
But thanks for the suggestion! ;D
maladroithim
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Yeah hey guys what happened at GW anyway? I noticed all of a sudden that over the weekend a million people from GW had migrated over to RMN.
sanosuke
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Yeah I wish it wasn't locked atleast not till the end of next friday or something. But basically everyone started jumping on G&D for not producing games to their standards...then they (Staff members) started to want to change people from the rpg maker scene. Some people were basically saying things along the line of RPG is shit we don't want that cliche crap in this site because it is ruining us in the eyes of indie developers (Who they are shifting to bring in more of) Anyways many of these members were not suggesting but forcing for a change to be brought about.
The admins sugar coated the staff rants not taking into account their obvious hate and lack of respect towards G&Ders. So what Mateui is going to do is set up a IGD or indie game section for full games including rpg maker which is why I respect him and another section for short/fluff essentially or what they describe as the current G&D.
The thing that bothers me is the attitude towards the rm community there. There are staff member who if they were admins I guarentee you would rid the site of anything rpg maker just because of their dislike for 1) Rpgs 2) anything rm.
http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=71591.new#new
-Check that out if you don't believe bias exists there.
They claim we should have more Berkley games or w/e but I don't care about stuff like that, it doesn't interest me. They say we lack creativity because we stick to cliche and refuse to move past rpg maker. They want us to learn C++ but are too dumb to understand that people like rpg maker for its ease of use and because you can produce quality looking stuff in a short time, they think you can learn to use Maya and C++ all in one day.
That was my issue.
Just to prove further how lame/retarded these people are at GW:
http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=71517.0
The admins sugar coated the staff rants not taking into account their obvious hate and lack of respect towards G&Ders. So what Mateui is going to do is set up a IGD or indie game section for full games including rpg maker which is why I respect him and another section for short/fluff essentially or what they describe as the current G&D.
The thing that bothers me is the attitude towards the rm community there. There are staff member who if they were admins I guarentee you would rid the site of anything rpg maker just because of their dislike for 1) Rpgs 2) anything rm.
http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=71591.new#new
-Check that out if you don't believe bias exists there.
They claim we should have more Berkley games or w/e but I don't care about stuff like that, it doesn't interest me. They say we lack creativity because we stick to cliche and refuse to move past rpg maker. They want us to learn C++ but are too dumb to understand that people like rpg maker for its ease of use and because you can produce quality looking stuff in a short time, they think you can learn to use Maya and C++ all in one day.
That was my issue.
Just to prove further how lame/retarded these people are at GW:
http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=71517.0
madriel222
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Read all of those topics and I still don't get how these little comments can justify a whole horde of people leaving a site. Just grinding at that stone too long? Sorry that you guys felt unappreciated/unwanted on that scene, though. Communities, especially larger ones, need to do a better job of making everyone feel welcome.
ImmortalDreamer
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http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=71591.new;boardseen#new
Its cause of stuff like this. I mean, count how many times they take shots at not only G&D people, but RM users in general. Why stay on a site that allows crap like that?
Its cause of stuff like this. I mean, count how many times they take shots at not only G&D people, but RM users in general. Why stay on a site that allows crap like that?
Neok
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Well personally, what I like about this site is that there's a proper main page that's been missing from GW for who knows how long now. Frankly, all they really do over there is banter and flame each other about what should be done and in the end, nothing really happens, which is part of why I've chosen to stay away from that trainwreck of a discussion.
sanosuke
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author=madriel222 link=topic=1022.msg14379#msg14379 date=1209961486
Read all of those topics and I still don't get how these little comments can justify a whole horde of people leaving a site. Just grinding at that stone too long? Sorry that you guys felt unappreciated/unwanted on that scene, though. Communities, especially larger ones, need to do a better job of making everyone feel welcome.
The problem wasn't a few comments but the same people including STAFF members which is disgracefull and I think those people should be fired, kept making the same topics like 10 different versions of the same thing where they continually proved how much they hate the rpg maker scene but everything is "OK" because they say we would be catered to. The vibe there is just ruined so many people not being able to take it have left.
iamnot
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I go on there sometimes, but I always kind of feel threatened. Like I reread what I wrote two or three times before posting because I don't want to feel like an idiot (because they tend to point out a lot).
I guess it doesn't feel very welcoming, there are a lot of clicks and such. I still post there on occasion but am largely ignored anyway (unless I say something dumb).
I guess it doesn't feel very welcoming, there are a lot of clicks and such. I still post there on occasion but am largely ignored anyway (unless I say something dumb).
Wow I'm kinda glad I never got into the whole GW scene, but I like the place and some of the shit they say their is funny as hell though. I honestly don't see a point in bringing any of this here though.
Edit - Can I get a blanket.. I'm cold ;D
Edit - Can I get a blanket.. I'm cold ;D
demondestiny
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Once again, welcome all gaming world members. As i have stated before i left gaming world as i kept on getting prank emails by retards. Simple.
Also, glad to see your admin again Holb. I feel a part of my life has just been restored.
Also, glad to see your admin again Holb. I feel a part of my life has just been restored.
author=brandonabley link=topic=1022.msg14373#msg14373 date=1209959681Yeah, and I don't mod on weekends (I
Yeah hey guys what happened at GW anyway? I noticed all of a sudden that over the weekend a million people from GW had migrated over to RMN.
Welcome refuges, I guess.
maladroithim
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Well to be honest I agree with a lot of the ideas at GW about the RM scene. I do think it is in bad shape and I wish people would move on not necessarily from RPG Maker but specifically from RPG Maker 2000. There are a ton of newer point-and-click homebrew programs that give you options that would streamline your game making process in ways you can't even imagine. I firmly believe that the popularity of RM2k3 and unwillingness of people to move on has caused enormous harm to the community and its product.
However I disagree with the method at GW and I strongly disagree with their approach. Even though Rm2k3 is a retarded program and you guys really *should* move on (like I said, other programs are EASIER to use), a game does not suck because it is made in RM2k3. By claiming that RPGMaker homebrew is fundamentally different from Game Maker or Torque homebrew and that the games automatically are qualititatively different, the staff at GW has alienated some of its members.
But you know, guys, that is sort of what they wanted anyway. Most GW staff doesn't care about homebrew games at all anymore. Barkley: etc etc and the other Tale's of Games titles are both made specifically to get a rise out of all of you and it's no wonder you don't like them. Chef doesn't honestly care about making games. It's not like GW is THE DEVIL or anything, they just don't want RPGMaker games at the site anymore. I think they're focusing the new site on community and culture (like Something Awful) and would prefer that homebrew game discussion go on somewhere else.
EDIT: It may also have something to do with the fact that G&D members are the least likely to donate but are the most active. G&D generated huge costs and a big server load for the site without recouping them. GW isn't a money tree or anything, but it is an expensive forum to keep in operation and if people generate costs without feeling the need to donate then Bart can understandably get upset.
However I disagree with the method at GW and I strongly disagree with their approach. Even though Rm2k3 is a retarded program and you guys really *should* move on (like I said, other programs are EASIER to use), a game does not suck because it is made in RM2k3. By claiming that RPGMaker homebrew is fundamentally different from Game Maker or Torque homebrew and that the games automatically are qualititatively different, the staff at GW has alienated some of its members.
But you know, guys, that is sort of what they wanted anyway. Most GW staff doesn't care about homebrew games at all anymore. Barkley: etc etc and the other Tale's of Games titles are both made specifically to get a rise out of all of you and it's no wonder you don't like them. Chef doesn't honestly care about making games. It's not like GW is THE DEVIL or anything, they just don't want RPGMaker games at the site anymore. I think they're focusing the new site on community and culture (like Something Awful) and would prefer that homebrew game discussion go on somewhere else.
EDIT: It may also have something to do with the fact that G&D members are the least likely to donate but are the most active. G&D generated huge costs and a big server load for the site without recouping them. GW isn't a money tree or anything, but it is an expensive forum to keep in operation and if people generate costs without feeling the need to donate then Bart can understandably get upset.
Shadowtext
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author=brandonabley link=topic=1022.msg14473#msg14473 date=1209999570To put it another way: they're more interested in making messages than games. If we can make sure RMN remains about the games, it seems a perfectly fair way of divvying up the community.
But you know, guys, that is sort of what they wanted anyway. Most GW staff doesn't care about homebrew games at all anymore. Barkley: etc etc and the other Tale's of Games titles are both made specifically to get a rise out of all of you and it's no wonder you don't like them. Chef doesn't honestly care about making games. It's not like GW is THE DEVIL or anything, they just don't want RPGMaker games at the site anymore. I think they're focusing the new site on community and culture (like Something Awful) and would prefer that homebrew game discussion go on somewhere else.
And let's be fair, Him--I agree too about the state of homebrew games in the community, but it's just Sturgeon's Law at play. 90% of everything is going to be crap. There's a ton of crappy RM2k and RM2k3 games, but that's just because there are a ton of RM2k and RM2k3 games. If there's no place for the chaff to go, the wheat's not going to be coming forth either.
The important thing as far as RMN is concerned is just to welcome the refugees, as the administration's already doing, and make sure that our community can support what GW's is throwing away. Because you can't get the wheat without the chaff. You've got to get both and figure out a good way of sifting through it.
But yeah, let's leave the drama in GW where it belongs. Half the reason I left the place was to escape that nonsense.
it's funny because a year ago I advocated that GW make a sub-community for RM game making, since none of the admins or regulars really gave a shit about it.
I was shouted down (as usual). It seems that for every problem I've voiced at GW, they ignored it and insulted me, then 6 months later they realized "hey, we have a problem here!"
But whatever. I really haven't been a part of the GW community since Legion left (I went to ghostlight, too) I am old hat.
I was shouted down (as usual). It seems that for every problem I've voiced at GW, they ignored it and insulted me, then 6 months later they realized "hey, we have a problem here!"
But whatever. I really haven't been a part of the GW community since Legion left (I went to ghostlight, too) I am old hat.
Neophyte
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This isn't an issue of cost, Bart has said that himself. In fact, the Happy Zoo forum and all the things they store there costs way more than anything on that forum. Rami and DS have said that themselves since they're technically the ones who own GW now.
By the way, nothing is really wrong with the RM scene. Yes, I hardly download any RPG Maker games anymore because 90% of them really do suck, but the same is applied to any game making program. It doesn't matter if another maker has more "features" or is more flexible than one another. The argument that people need to move on is pretty stupid!
But uhm, yeah let's definitely leave the drama over there. I want some games from all of you.
By the way, nothing is really wrong with the RM scene. Yes, I hardly download any RPG Maker games anymore because 90% of them really do suck, but the same is applied to any game making program. It doesn't matter if another maker has more "features" or is more flexible than one another. The argument that people need to move on is pretty stupid!
But uhm, yeah let's definitely leave the drama over there. I want some games from all of you.
author=kentona link=topic=1022.msg14485#msg14485 date=1210001693Haha, what HAS happened to Legion, I want to play Back.. whatever that horror game sequel was, cause Ghostlight is pretty much gone(Or I just cant find it?) and it's only been 6 months since he left.. wow I thought it was longer?
But whatever. I really haven't been a part of the GW community since Legion left (I went to ghostlight, too) I am old hat.
Well the topic I made was locked so any large potential shift may not occur but you could try Blitzen...I saw him trying to defend the RM community. But what really pisses me off is how only maybe 5 members from the rm community said anything the entire time the RM part of gaming world was being bashed. Where was everyone else?
This is why the staff is upset with the RM scene really, not just because they ignore good games and refuse to give them feedback/try them out, but because they don't even look at the Feedback forum. They stay in their own little world, and never really branch out from it.
Kind of how they refuse to change from rm2k3 ever even though there is better alternatives (and better ones on the way) now.
