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MORALITY: WHAT DO YOU DO TO DESIGN AROUND IT WHEN DESIGNING FOR IT?
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CloseWell, snodgrass, it is evident that you thought this through way more than me.
I hope you don't feel offended by my answer to Large.
I was merely attempting to convey what I *thought* you meant in your OP in a way that I *thought* would help those confused to understand.
This is a fascinating topic to tackle on, but I fear it is perhaps too complex for me to even start addressing it.
I hope you don't feel offended by my answer to Large.
I was merely attempting to convey what I *thought* you meant in your OP in a way that I *thought* would help those confused to understand.
This is a fascinating topic to tackle on, but I fear it is perhaps too complex for me to even start addressing it.
No. No offense taken. I actually want to say thank you.
Without people like you, people like me would be more unwelcome from making these threads because instead of just explaining our threads - we have to come off as enemies of those who think they understood the thread but didn't and then post unhelpful stuff like "This sums it up." without knowing how far off-base they are. Especially as bad sum-ups from bad posters have a tendency to not be open to the OP correcting them or to people like you who would at least reply in context to the explanation instead of ignoring the follow-up replies.
It is only through you and the other more polite/willing forum posters across the internet that the worst conversationalists in the universe even have a sliver of opportunity in silencing the doubts of such posters especially when they see your stance changing even after originally assuming your way of conveying was 100% correct the first time. If you are sincere with your above reply, then yes, I do understand where you are coming from and that's why I emphasize that your statement wasn't wrong in my last reply, simply that it was an incomplete summation of this thread which is very important in threads like this because it can be the difference between the thread making sense and the thread sounding like it's based on a stupid/weird/confusing/contradictory/basic premise (whichever most makes sense to the people who are confused/not willing to read things they perceive as wall of texts carefully esp. if it doesn't contain technical stuff like game code).
Without people like you, people like me would be more unwelcome from making these threads because instead of just explaining our threads - we have to come off as enemies of those who think they understood the thread but didn't and then post unhelpful stuff like "This sums it up." without knowing how far off-base they are. Especially as bad sum-ups from bad posters have a tendency to not be open to the OP correcting them or to people like you who would at least reply in context to the explanation instead of ignoring the follow-up replies.
It is only through you and the other more polite/willing forum posters across the internet that the worst conversationalists in the universe even have a sliver of opportunity in silencing the doubts of such posters especially when they see your stance changing even after originally assuming your way of conveying was 100% correct the first time. If you are sincere with your above reply, then yes, I do understand where you are coming from and that's why I emphasize that your statement wasn't wrong in my last reply, simply that it was an incomplete summation of this thread which is very important in threads like this because it can be the difference between the thread making sense and the thread sounding like it's based on a stupid/weird/confusing/contradictory/basic premise (whichever most makes sense to the people who are confused/not willing to read things they perceive as wall of texts carefully esp. if it doesn't contain technical stuff like game code).
author=Snodgrass
Actually you answered the question correctly and I'm not just saying this because of your threat.
A lot of game design (especially from the theoretical perspective) relies on two people wanting to discuss things for the pursuit of game design and not just to answer because just like other topics that has some philosophical bits to it, it's just impossible to make sense to others who don't want to discuss it.
For example take your two main premises against my thread.
If you don't believe it's possible to design games for morality, no matter how many games I show you that are like these: http://www.aforcemorepowerful.org/game/index.php#peoplepower you will reject it or downplay it and that holds true for every concept beyond the general overview of those games and from there it's just a total slippery slope because you'll always demand more titles and examples and fallacies from authoritative (or at least decent sounding titles) and we can no longer just discuss game design and the more titles and examples I bring up especially just to explain the thread, the less it's about getitng perspective from game developers anymore with better capabilities and experiences to share than I have.
You want me to answer less but if I just say, "No, you're wrong." Would you accept it or take it as an insult especially with your capacity to lock threads? More importantly by convincing you, am I even on-topic anymore on my own thread or will the links distract and just make you or others shout "Well, I'm not going to bother to download a trial just to accept your premise".
It's even worse with the question "What do you do to design" because it's based on two major fallacies:
1) is that the thread was titled like that.
and
2) you paint it as a wrong question as opposed to the grand all question when it comes to all forms of design.
That's as concise as I can get without sacrificing the content of my post or coming off cold and insulting especially when my thread is on a life line.
Very well.
