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CloseAnyway, it was stated that we could talk "design issues specific to your game here if you want!"
I wanted to talk about a general story of mine, from an old game that never got finished.
The name was called "Through the Glass of Time" in which was about the ability to control time. (Yeah, I can see. Time Travel.) It was a story in which told the players, the story of the "Time Masters" and their job of controlling and protecting the source of all of Time. That they are what make time flow, and are truly what preserve time. The Past, wouldn't be possible if it were not for them. That memories would not recollect any past experiences, of any kind, if they were not there to store that event in Time. That people would walk around, aimlessly towards the future, only doing that in which they thought of that moment, and then forget what they were doing after.
It tells the story of the "True Masters" of Time as well, in which are the original beings that created Time, and were the first beings corrupted by that over-whelming power, and how the "Time Master" that is living, telling the story, of how his pupil (becoming a Time Master, himself) stumbled upon their ruined city, to discover the last remaining, "True Master", and how he broke the seal, holding in the "True Master" and his power. That Pupil then succumbed to the "True Master's" desires and over all power, and was forced to FUSE into that being.
Thus creating a whole new "breed" of Master, who wants to actually absorb the true source of Time. Because something had to create them, in order to even control Time.
I wanted to know how the story sounded to you, and if it was done correctly, would you play it? What would you change? What don't you like, what do you like?
I wanted to talk about a general story of mine, from an old game that never got finished.
The name was called "Through the Glass of Time" in which was about the ability to control time. (Yeah, I can see. Time Travel.) It was a story in which told the players, the story of the "Time Masters" and their job of controlling and protecting the source of all of Time. That they are what make time flow, and are truly what preserve time. The Past, wouldn't be possible if it were not for them. That memories would not recollect any past experiences, of any kind, if they were not there to store that event in Time. That people would walk around, aimlessly towards the future, only doing that in which they thought of that moment, and then forget what they were doing after.
It tells the story of the "True Masters" of Time as well, in which are the original beings that created Time, and were the first beings corrupted by that over-whelming power, and how the "Time Master" that is living, telling the story, of how his pupil (becoming a Time Master, himself) stumbled upon their ruined city, to discover the last remaining, "True Master", and how he broke the seal, holding in the "True Master" and his power. That Pupil then succumbed to the "True Master's" desires and over all power, and was forced to FUSE into that being.
Thus creating a whole new "breed" of Master, who wants to actually absorb the true source of Time. Because something had to create them, in order to even control Time.
I wanted to know how the story sounded to you, and if it was done correctly, would you play it? What would you change? What don't you like, what do you like?
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I would probably drastically tone down the incomprehensible pseudomystical technobabble. Focus more on the novice time masters who have just obtained their power and are learning what they can do with it and what they need to do and their struggles, and way less on... fucking time compression and root causation of the spacetime continuum and philosophical existential psychononsense. What the fuck is the source of time anyway, what the fuck does it even mean for something to cause time? Time isn't a thing you can cause or create or lack, it's not an event or an object or a type of energy, it's a way of categorizing things.
Is that harsh? That probably comes off as harsh, sorry. There are a lot of stories I like with elements that don't make any sense, but that's because at their core they're not stories about those things. If you want to write hard science fiction, I feel like the science should have to be researched and make perfect sense; in this case probably treating philosophy as essentially a hard science alongside stuff like quantum physics and string theory. If you want to write soft science fiction, I feel like the science should just be an unexplained backdrop that you utilize for the occasional dramatic event while focusing on the characters and personal conflicts.
Is that harsh? That probably comes off as harsh, sorry. There are a lot of stories I like with elements that don't make any sense, but that's because at their core they're not stories about those things. If you want to write hard science fiction, I feel like the science should have to be researched and make perfect sense; in this case probably treating philosophy as essentially a hard science alongside stuff like quantum physics and string theory. If you want to write soft science fiction, I feel like the science should just be an unexplained backdrop that you utilize for the occasional dramatic event while focusing on the characters and personal conflicts.
Well I hadn't thought out, in full detail anyway, what that 'source' would be.
I didn't want to say some sort of God, directly, because it still implies an all powerful being that created everything else.
I do, however, want it to be a being, but that is what is hard to create.
I might have to make it a sort of all powerful being of another world, and have the story focus on that world, and the being, and it's world, and not so much on how that being was created as well.
I didn't want to say some sort of God, directly, because it still implies an all powerful being that created everything else.
I do, however, want it to be a being, but that is what is hard to create.
I might have to make it a sort of all powerful being of another world, and have the story focus on that world, and the being, and it's world, and not so much on how that being was created as well.
author=Thiamor
I didn't want to say some sort of God, directly, because it still implies an all powerful being that created everything else.
Then why not say it directly IF that's what you're aiming at(?).
Just how many True Masters are there? I'm okay with having multiple Time Masters, but a title like "True Master" sounds like there should only ever be one. I mean, the True Master should transcend the boundary of time altogether, so there should only ever be one.
But that's just my take on it.
But that's just my take on it.
author=chanaauthor=ThiamorThen why not say it directly IF that's what you're aiming at(?).
I didn't want to say some sort of God, directly, because it still implies an all powerful being that created everything else.
No, you don't understand what I said.
I didn't want to go through the whole GOD type of story. It implies this GOD has always been around, and nothing created it, yet it created everything.
I don't want to have to go into that aspect of it. I want a being, a powerful being, but I don't want to have to explain how this being was created, then it'd take another story explaining that thing.
I feel it'd work out better, if the being is just a sort of "Alien" being, or a Parallel universe, type of being.
One that has the technology, maybe, to control time. Not that it's time itself.
It's meant to make people think, up until a certain point, a God is controlling time, when in-fact it's just a being with a machine.
All of the Time Masters, are part of this machine. They are bred off of it, in the sense that something was injected into the FIRST True Time Master, and each time a new child was born, they had the power.
I think, without going into some supernatural story, that this might work.
Then, if said 'True Time Master' absorbs the machine, he becomes 100 times more powerful. Along with each Time Master he absorbs. It'd kind of like being pieces of a puzzle. Each Time Master brought back, and connected into the machine, the more powerful that machine becomes.
author=Marrend
Just how many True Masters are there? I'm okay with having multiple Time Masters, but a title like "True Master" sounds like there should only ever be one. I mean, the True Master should transcend the boundary of time altogether, so there should only ever be one.
But that's just my take on it.
Each True "Time Master" was corrupted. To make it fit, I feel the only one left, absorbed the other ones (and there was a battle between each True 'Time Master' that destroyed the City) before he was sealed away by the old Time Master, telling the story.
The old one, is not a True one. He is just one of the few remaining Time Masters left, and was born so many generations ahead, after the first True Time Master was created. Each generation, the power weakens enough, that it removes a tad bit of that 'True' power. He was old enough at the time of the attack, that he could know what to do, and sealed away the remaining one.
How's it sounding now?
Well it's called TRUE MASTER, but I keep calling it TRUE TIME MASTER by mistake. Saying that to clear it up. It's TRUE MASTER.
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If done correctly I think it would be an interesting story. If you're going to be travelling throught time it becomes very complicated to keep track of, what with all those paradoxes and stuff.
I'm not so sure about that. I'm crap at physics but I remember seeing a tv programme recently that had physicists postulating an end to time, i.e that it is some kind of phenomenon/force and not just one thing happening after another, if that makes sense. I'm not saying you should necessarily get into this in a rpg game, but in my opinion it's better than the cop out of God made it. When did he/she/it make it then? If something is beyond our understanding than making a force of supernatural time masters is as good as any other explanation (in a game, not real life of course...)
If done correctly I think it would be an interesting story. If you're going to be travelling throught time it becomes very complicated to keep track of, what with all those paradoxes and stuff.
author=LockeZ
What the fuck is the source of time anyway, what the fuck does it even mean for something to cause time? Time isn't a thing you can cause or create or lack, it's not an event or an object or a type of energy, it's a way of categorizing things.
I'm not so sure about that. I'm crap at physics but I remember seeing a tv programme recently that had physicists postulating an end to time, i.e that it is some kind of phenomenon/force and not just one thing happening after another, if that makes sense. I'm not saying you should necessarily get into this in a rpg game, but in my opinion it's better than the cop out of God made it. When did he/she/it make it then? If something is beyond our understanding than making a force of supernatural time masters is as good as any other explanation (in a game, not real life of course...)
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
If you think you can explain it satisfactorily then go ahead and make the game I guess. I have serious doubts.
When I say it doesn't make sense, I don't mean it doesn't make sense in the way "Ronald Reagan invented the internet in 1261 BC" doesn't make sense; I mean it doesn't make sense in the way "Information tasted my mother's furthest distance and thus after time turned blue the universe was un-reborn" doesn't make sense. It's not illogical, it's incoherent. I think the whole idea needs to get kicked down to earth about six billion notches.
Also if the true master can control time, then everything he wants to do he will have already done, by definition. You can't stop him before he finishes his plan. There is no "before". Because he can go back to the dawn of time and do it, and then no one will have ever known a universe where he didn't do it. So if he is ever going to do it, he will always have already done it. And you can't go back in time and undo it and change the universe, because if you are ever going to do that, you already would have done it, trillions of years ago, and thus you wouldn't need to any more. And wharrgarblllkkkkk(=#^?%$*&V$!@$%
I feel like time travel stories that have more than one powerful time traveller pretty much just don't work. The meaningfulness of the story suffers because everything both sides have done gets erased repeatedly. I like time travel in stories when the time travel is tightly controlled: you have a time machine but it's broken for 99% of the story, or you're getting thrown around through time by forces beyond your control, or you can only go back and forth between a few specific periods. Maybe make the player timelord have no clue how to properly use his powers until the game's ending? And only have one other timelord? I dunno, sorry.
When I say it doesn't make sense, I don't mean it doesn't make sense in the way "Ronald Reagan invented the internet in 1261 BC" doesn't make sense; I mean it doesn't make sense in the way "Information tasted my mother's furthest distance and thus after time turned blue the universe was un-reborn" doesn't make sense. It's not illogical, it's incoherent. I think the whole idea needs to get kicked down to earth about six billion notches.
Also if the true master can control time, then everything he wants to do he will have already done, by definition. You can't stop him before he finishes his plan. There is no "before". Because he can go back to the dawn of time and do it, and then no one will have ever known a universe where he didn't do it. So if he is ever going to do it, he will always have already done it. And you can't go back in time and undo it and change the universe, because if you are ever going to do that, you already would have done it, trillions of years ago, and thus you wouldn't need to any more. And wharrgarblllkkkkk(=#^?%$*&V$!@$%
I feel like time travel stories that have more than one powerful time traveller pretty much just don't work. The meaningfulness of the story suffers because everything both sides have done gets erased repeatedly. I like time travel in stories when the time travel is tightly controlled: you have a time machine but it's broken for 99% of the story, or you're getting thrown around through time by forces beyond your control, or you can only go back and forth between a few specific periods. Maybe make the player timelord have no clue how to properly use his powers until the game's ending? And only have one other timelord? I dunno, sorry.
I'm still trying to work out the kinks in it, because I want something that controls and stops paradoxes. Something that makes sense, but still is unique.
Would adding the fact, that Time Masters are immune to paradoxes, because in a sense, they ARE time, make any MORE sense? Not really time itself, but they are the past, present and Future, rolled up into one.
Like I said, I need to work out the kinks.
Would adding the fact, that Time Masters are immune to paradoxes, because in a sense, they ARE time, make any MORE sense? Not really time itself, but they are the past, present and Future, rolled up into one.
Like I said, I need to work out the kinks.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
No, I can say without hesitation that that definitely makes less sense than not explaining it.
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