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CloseSo, you're working on your dialogue. There's this dude in the party, and he's important story-wise. Without him a bunch of characters wouldn't be as developed as they should be. You also really, really hate him. His costume sucks, he talks funny, he's kind of annoying-- but if you take him out/edit his personality, it just wouldn't work in the scheme of things.
How do you deal with such a character, and have you ever had characters like this?
In my own experiences, I've had two characters like this. One is in Arcane Mist, which has like 25 PCs so obviously I'm not going to like everybody. The thing is, I've developed them all so much that if I took out one part of the story the entire thing would collapse. Jesse connects the characters Yrisa and Gambit together, as well as providing a means for the character Arcturus to reach a certain dungeon to meet up with Valentine and her cohorts (whom Jesse never actually meets!). He is also ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to the backstory of the game, as well as an incredible amount of Gambit and Yrisa's development.
You don't know who these people are, but I'm sure you understand his importance somewhat.
Thing is, he's so boring. He's silent and secretive and a sissy. Jesse actually dresses up as other people at certain points of the game to deal with other characters and going by false identities. He's also supposedly dead but that just makes him have to be so low-profile (it's this big military secret). I hate him.
But again, without him or with a personality change, it just wouldn't work!
Another example is the dwarf Alkar in ARIA, a project I'm making with Karsuman. Alkar's funny I guess, and he's high-ranking enough to be important. He's even a temp PC at several points in the game... I still hate him. This is partly because balancing his stats for the first dungeon was a PAIN IN THE BUTT; however, he's also just... I dunno. All of the mercenaries he controls are constantly waiting on him hand and foot. When he joins the party, there's this line of mercs standing there and being like ALL LOVE ALKAR <# <# <# (he does not deserve "3s"). When Karsuman and I were discussing who we should add as the late-game sixth permanent party member, it went like this:
<Craze> I'm working on the personal skill stuff now. We have methods for Elliot, Rigel and Fahrem's orbs, but what about Nadia, Aria and the sixth character (who is that btw ;_;)?
<Karsuman> We don't have a sixth character yet.
<Karsuman> How about Alkar?
<Craze> NO LSNVUSBVONLNAFNDSNVOSDJVNSDORGHUOASHNSNDVODUSNVSNDVIUSHG
<Karsuman> Why, he's amusing.
<Craze> SNVSUVHNUIVOUSDHJLSDhVDISH O HATE HATE HATE
We've figured all that stuff out now, but yeah.
DISCUSS (question repeated):
How do you deal with such a character , and have you ever had characters like this?
How do you deal with such a character, and have you ever had characters like this?
In my own experiences, I've had two characters like this. One is in Arcane Mist, which has like 25 PCs so obviously I'm not going to like everybody. The thing is, I've developed them all so much that if I took out one part of the story the entire thing would collapse. Jesse connects the characters Yrisa and Gambit together, as well as providing a means for the character Arcturus to reach a certain dungeon to meet up with Valentine and her cohorts (whom Jesse never actually meets!). He is also ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to the backstory of the game, as well as an incredible amount of Gambit and Yrisa's development.
You don't know who these people are, but I'm sure you understand his importance somewhat.
Thing is, he's so boring. He's silent and secretive and a sissy. Jesse actually dresses up as other people at certain points of the game to deal with other characters and going by false identities. He's also supposedly dead but that just makes him have to be so low-profile (it's this big military secret). I hate him.
But again, without him or with a personality change, it just wouldn't work!
Another example is the dwarf Alkar in ARIA, a project I'm making with Karsuman. Alkar's funny I guess, and he's high-ranking enough to be important. He's even a temp PC at several points in the game... I still hate him. This is partly because balancing his stats for the first dungeon was a PAIN IN THE BUTT; however, he's also just... I dunno. All of the mercenaries he controls are constantly waiting on him hand and foot. When he joins the party, there's this line of mercs standing there and being like ALL LOVE ALKAR <# <# <# (he does not deserve "3s"). When Karsuman and I were discussing who we should add as the late-game sixth permanent party member, it went like this:
<Craze> I'm working on the personal skill stuff now. We have methods for Elliot, Rigel and Fahrem's orbs, but what about Nadia, Aria and the sixth character (who is that btw ;_;)?
<Karsuman> We don't have a sixth character yet.
<Karsuman> How about Alkar?
<Craze> NO LSNVUSBVONLNAFNDSNVOSDJVNSDORGHUOASHNSNDVODUSNVSNDVIUSHG
<Karsuman> Why, he's amusing.
<Craze> SNVSUVHNUIVOUSDHJLSDhVDISH O HATE HATE HATE
We've figured all that stuff out now, but yeah.
DISCUSS (question repeated):
How do you deal with such a character , and have you ever had characters like this?
Well theres this one project(Sorta canceled haven't decided) where the main(And only)character who is this cold bad ass yet still has some kinda heart left in him, like he doesn't care about himself but he does care for a few others around him. I don't necessarily hate him but I find him annoying to write for without being to cliche because as you and a lot of people know the whole silent bad ass type has been done before, but this character is more then that so I basically had trouble trying to make him less stale?
maladroithim
1495
I hate Wilfred because he's a spineless piece of shit who steals the spotlight from the more talented people around him.
People played that game? neat. I liked all the characters in that game (for one reason or another) so that wasn't an issue.
iamnot
48
Well, I only have two characters in my game. I like them both characteristically, but I hate writing for Majesty(the character). He has a kind of subtle craziness to him that makes it difficult to portray him correctly.
A character of mine that I hate?
...Probably the "Bellsmith," the one character I drew when I wasn't inspired.
...Probably the "Bellsmith," the one character I drew when I wasn't inspired.
Shadowtext
120
I don't think I get the concept. Why would you have a character that you hate in something you're making in the first place? I mean I guess a character can get derailed, and you might START to hate him....but if that happens why should he stay in the thing?
I mean even if he's an evil bastard or a terrible person, you ought to be able to love writing for him or at least love the effects he has on the other characters. If you don't, I don't see any reason to keep him in the thing. Do you think the audience would like the character any more than you do?
I suppose if the whole point of the thing is to hate the character, it might be okay. Like Always Sunny in Philadelphia purposefully makes all of its main characters pretty disgusting....but there's still a sort of attraction to both the audience and the writer even there, I think. They're not likeable, but they're entertaining. So I'm not sure I get the issue.
I mean even if he's an evil bastard or a terrible person, you ought to be able to love writing for him or at least love the effects he has on the other characters. If you don't, I don't see any reason to keep him in the thing. Do you think the audience would like the character any more than you do?
I suppose if the whole point of the thing is to hate the character, it might be okay. Like Always Sunny in Philadelphia purposefully makes all of its main characters pretty disgusting....but there's still a sort of attraction to both the audience and the writer even there, I think. They're not likeable, but they're entertaining. So I'm not sure I get the issue.
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