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SAVE A TREE, DON'T COVER THE NIGHT 2012
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CloseSo, can everybody please boycott Kony 2012 and focus on either domestic issues, or at least start educating yourself about Jason Russell, or maybe what Bush (BUSH) has done for Uganda (more than you could!)?
Thanks. I'd really appreciate it. Tell all of your "activist" friends that they should be in the know before they get involved.
Thanks. I'd really appreciate it. Tell all of your "activist" friends that they should be in the know before they get involved.
Fuck Kony. I support anything that leads directly or indirectly to him getting shot in the face.
Jason Russell is an asshole, granted. I'm fairly certain Kony is a much bigger asshole.
There are better things to be an activist about, probably; there are certainly worse.
Jason Russell is an asshole, granted. I'm fairly certain Kony is a much bigger asshole.
There are better things to be an activist about, probably; there are certainly worse.
theone
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author=Max McGee
Fuck Kony. I support anything that leads directly or indirectly to him getting shot in the face.
Jason Russell is an asshole, granted. I'm fairly certain Kony is a much bigger asshole.
There are better things to be an activist about, probably; there are certainly worse.
But Kony has absolutely no power now. It's a waster of time to actually focus on him instead of, say, the President with powers who's in power and also uses child soldiers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MINTgJ8feI
Shinan
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I thought the kony thing was over already?
Also as a person living in a country with a large forest industry I'd just like to say that saving trees is very counterproductive.
Also as a person living in a country with a large forest industry I'd just like to say that saving trees is very counterproductive.
author=theoneauthor=Max McGeeBut Kony has absolutely no power now. It's a waster of time to actually focus on him instead of, say, the President with powers who's in power and also uses child soldiers
Fuck Kony. I support anything that leads directly or indirectly to him getting shot in the face.
Jason Russell is an asshole, granted. I'm fairly certain Kony is a much bigger asshole.
There are better things to be an activist about, probably; there are certainly worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MINTgJ8feI
Still absolutely in favor of Kony getting assassinated/executed/imprisoned for life.
author=Yellow Magic
Do people still care about Kony 2012
I hope not. I sincerely hope it's the kind of shallow "feel good" activism that most people will forget and ultimately nothing will be accomplished but AWARENESS RAISED, problem over, everyone show off your bracelets and go home. Better than this actually resulting in military intervention, that's for sure.
I dunno, it's just been getting under my skin lately. The more I learn about Invisible Children, the more I question their methods and jdfhdhfdkas I could drop links about it for a good long while. Which is something I wish a lot more people would do, educate themselves beyond one video and knowing "THERE IS A VERY BAD MAN OUT THERE".
Also doing this on 4/20 just seems like a poorly timed date.
Re: "FUCK KONY," yes, of course, bad men are bad; Bush has still done a thousand times more to paralyze him than you.
Re: "People still care:" I go to a liberal arts university. Everybody in my dorm hates me now (for being informed and speaking out - in a discussion I brought up much more important things to focus on, and in response to female genital mutiliation one guy told me "you fucking idiot, if you love pussy so much, well, I don't see you doing anything about it!" (Then I pointed out that I was the only one here that was actually informed/was sharing what was actually going on with the group/etc..))
basically yes I reallllllllllly hate that it's, to quote Penta, "the kind of shallow 'feel good' activism that most people will forget and ultimately nothing will be accomplished" and i hate everyone and good night
Re: "People still care:" I go to a liberal arts university. Everybody in my dorm hates me now (for being informed and speaking out - in a discussion I brought up much more important things to focus on, and in response to female genital mutiliation one guy told me "you fucking idiot, if you love pussy so much, well, I don't see you doing anything about it!" (Then I pointed out that I was the only one here that was actually informed/was sharing what was actually going on with the group/etc..))
basically yes I reallllllllllly hate that it's, to quote Penta, "the kind of shallow 'feel good' activism that most people will forget and ultimately nothing will be accomplished" and i hate everyone and good night
Thank you Craze, for trying, really. I feel the exact same way.
I think we need to help and support issues in OUR OWN COUNTRY before always reaching out to everyone else in need.
We have some shitty problems of our own to worry about.
I kinda boycotted the Kony 2012 fad from the beginning, since people only knew about it from youtube or facebook and acted like they knew everything about what was going on.
(I hate Kony fyi, he's a horrible person, but yeah...)
I think we need to help and support issues in OUR OWN COUNTRY before always reaching out to everyone else in need.
We have some shitty problems of our own to worry about.
I kinda boycotted the Kony 2012 fad from the beginning, since people only knew about it from youtube or facebook and acted like they knew everything about what was going on.
(I hate Kony fyi, he's a horrible person, but yeah...)
emmych
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author=Crazeyup that is pretty much how I feel as well
Re: "FUCK KONY," yes, of course, bad men are bad; Bush has still done a thousand times more to paralyze him than you.
Re: "People still care:" I go to a liberal arts university. Everybody in my dorm hates me now (for being informed and speaking out - in a discussion I brought up much more important things to focus on, and in response to female genital mutiliation one guy told me "you fucking idiot, if you love pussy so much, well, I don't see you doing anything about it!" (Then I pointed out that I was the only one here that was actually informed/was sharing what was actually going on with the group/etc..))
basically yes I reallllllllllly hate that it's, to quote Penta, "the kind of shallow 'feel good' activism that most people will forget and ultimately nothing will be accomplished" and i hate everyone and good night
and see the funny (read: vomit-inducing, gut punching) part is that there are people in Uganda actively speaking out against KONY 2012 and IC never actually intended for the film to go beyond an American audience, even though they were preaching about WORLD UNITY VIA THE INTERNET~~~
I could rant about that more but nope that will just make me angry
and Max, rumours are that the guy is already dead; how about you get your knickers in a twist over more than just another warlord? It makes me sick seeing people getting all "YEEEEEEAH~" over the idea of killing one man, as though that will fix something.
You know what killing one guy won't do? Obliterate the LRA. Stop both rebel and soldier alike from raping and murdering their way through poor countries. Feed or shelter or help the kids whose lives have been irreparably damaged by these people. I mean, Osama Bin Laden is dead. Saddam Hussein is dead. Are those battles suddenly over? Is Iraq suddenly FREE~ of the shackles of dictatorship and thriving like a Western country? Did troops suddenly pull out as soon as these men were dead? Yeah, sure, some leaders were killed, but it didn't make everything magically get better.
See, IC painted Kony as "the bad guy" -- yeah, from what we know, he is (was?) a miserable, disgusting piece of shit who killed families and forced little girls into prostitution and forced little boys to murder and be his meat shields. But it isn't as black and white as that -- there are reports of the Ugandan military being just as awful to people as the LRA -- maybe they're not recruiting child soldiers, but they still hurt innocent people.
IC can go suck a dick, as far as I'm concerned, and those wannabe hipster activists that don't crack a book and get pissed off when the folks who do actually read point out flaws in their PERFECT CAUSE~~~~ can boil their heads. People who pretend to care about things to look good make me sick -- if you're gonna care, actually fucking do something, even if all you do is educate and raise awareness and keep up with the news.
Also... lolololol yeah people don't care about other issues that we could be discussing, such as corrective rape, the fact countries like Haiti are still struggling to rebuild after the earthquakes years ago, etc. etc. etc. etc.
@Milos: Look killing trees makes it so there is less oxygen so eventually Kony will run out of air okay
god why not get informed about the issues, GEEZE
@InfectionFiles: Actually, like... okay I also really hate this "SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS FIRST BEFORE HELPING ELSEWHERE~" attitude that I keep seeing in response to the Kony shit, too. XD
Every country has issues, everyone has problems, the entire world can be really, really shitty -- but I maintain a stance of doing what you can, where you can, when you can. No one is more worthy of assistance than others, no true suffering is worse than another's true suffering. I defs believe there is a certain amount of stability required of a person/country/community/culture/etc. before they can begin reaching out to help others, but if you are able to do something somewhere for someone, do it.
and Max, rumours are that the guy is already dead; how about you get your knickers in a twist over more than just another warlord? It makes me sick seeing people getting all "YEEEEEEAH~" over the idea of killing one man, as though that will fix something.
Kony's not just "another warlord" it's tough to think of a more perfect embodiment of human evil. I've done my own research on the guy (shallow, admittedly, I didn't "go to Africa" but I've read up on him) and he's really super extra horrible. Like, holy shit horrible.
I don't know if shooting him in the face with a grenade launcher will fix anything, but I'm still entirely in favor of it.
Also rumors are not photographic proof.
You know what killing one guy won't do? Obliterate the LRA. Stop both rebel and soldier alike from raping and murdering their way through poor countries. Feed or shelter or help the kids whose lives have been irreparably damaged by these people. I mean, Osama Bin Laden is dead. Saddam Hussein is dead. Are those battles suddenly over? Is Iraq suddenly FREE~ of the shackles of dictatorship and thriving like a Western country? Did troops suddenly pull out as soon as these men were dead? Yeah, sure, some leaders were killed, but it didn't make everything magically get better.
Comparing the LRA and Al Qaeda is...not a good comparison. The latter is part of a longstanding tradition of martyrdom and suicide-veneration, the former is basically one crazy, crazy person with the completely false and perfunctory gloss of Christianity over it.
author=emmych
@InfectionFiles: Actually, like... okay I also really hate this "SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS FIRST BEFORE HELPING ELSEWHERE~" attitude that I keep seeing in response to the Kony shit, too. XD
I just don't like that people act like America is perfect and is in direct contact with god and we have to help everyone else because we pity them and they suck and we don't.
I don't feel this way with just Kony, but a lot of activist stuff I see about trying to reach out to the hungry who are a million miles away, when we have hungry hobos too.
It would be nice to help our own people first though, and that goes for any country, don't you agree?
emmych
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author=Max McGeeIt won't fix a damn thing, and if you'd read more on what, you know, the people in Uganda wanted, they'd actually say that they'd rather people not storm in and shoot Kony in the face. And, actually, did you stop to consider that maybe, if he is still out there, his guards would be child soldiers? So, you're advocating storming in and killing a bunch of kids just to get to Kony, someone who isn't even that active any more? Sure, sounds like an excellent idea. No one has ever thought of doing something like that before.
Kony's not just "another warlord" it's tough to think of a more perfect embodiment of human evil. I've done my own research on the guy (shallow, admittedly, I didn't "go to Africa" but I've read up on him) and he's really super extra horrible. Like, holy shit horrible.
I don't know if shooting him in the face with a grenade launcher will fix anything, but I'm still entirely in favor of it.
Also rumors are not photographic proof.
Also, no one has heard from him in something like 6 years, so even if he isn't dead, he's not actively harming anyone and has lost a lot of power.
Comparing the LRA and Al Qaeda is...not a good comparison. The latter is part of a longstanding tradition of martyrdom and suicide-veneration, the former is basically one crazy, crazy person with the completely false and perfunctory gloss of Christianity over it.you should learn to read things properly because I wasn't comparing the two organizations, but rather what the act of killing the head of an organization does. The organizations themselves didn't play into my comparison at all.
@InfectionFiles: Anyone who acts like any country is perfect and wonderful is delusional, definitely. XD I mean... I was just hanging out in downtown Vancouver, BC last week, site of the 2010 Olympics, staying in a million dollar condo, and literally, a block away, I saw an old school friend of mine panhandling, because she didn't have enough money for food.
Like I said, everywhere sucks to some degree -- there are just some places that suck for more people than others. I mean, I recently struggled with depression -- something that rendered me unable to work and take care of myself -- and I was only able to get through it because my parents had the money to help me get my medication and therapy. I know plenty of people who suffer from mental health issues like I did, but don't have the means to get the support I had access to. I've known plenty of kids who have committed suicide -- just last fall, 3 or 4 kids in my home town killed themselves, one whom I knew personally. Sure, they had food and shelter and clothing and schooling and the luxuries our Western lives come with, but they still died young, because our society doesn't put enough emphasis on aiding those with mental health issues. Anyone who claims a country is idyllic when shit like that still happens is an idiot.
Even still, though, I don't think one should help their own country first simply because it is their country -- I'll do anything I can for anyone, regardless of where they're from. I'm defs more able to do something here in Canada, but I wouldn't focus my energies here and only here, if that all makes sense.
@emmych- Some americans are super delusional(texans to be more exact :D) But yeah, I totally get you.
It does sound selfish to only want to help your own country before lending aid to others, so I agree on people should be good samaritans more often, world would definitely be a better place.
I know America does help its people too, not trying to rant on the USA here, it would be nice though to see a bigger step up sometime in the future for things like mental health issues and how difficult it is to obtain care when you need it.
I cannot personally pay for most doctor bills alone, haha. That's why I hold it off for so long, I dread paying if my insurance doesn't cover it all!
I couldn't believe how the Kony 2012 thing blew up, the day it was all starting to get big I heard it immediately at the restaurant I worked at, by the customers telling the waitresses no less.
It's just crazy sometimes what gets a shit ton of coverage and attention really fast when there are so much more important matters.
It does sound selfish to only want to help your own country before lending aid to others, so I agree on people should be good samaritans more often, world would definitely be a better place.
I know America does help its people too, not trying to rant on the USA here, it would be nice though to see a bigger step up sometime in the future for things like mental health issues and how difficult it is to obtain care when you need it.
I cannot personally pay for most doctor bills alone, haha. That's why I hold it off for so long, I dread paying if my insurance doesn't cover it all!
I couldn't believe how the Kony 2012 thing blew up, the day it was all starting to get big I heard it immediately at the restaurant I worked at, by the customers telling the waitresses no less.
It's just crazy sometimes what gets a shit ton of coverage and attention really fast when there are so much more important matters.
In relation to emmy's sentiments, sometimes I think back on if me being and joining the military is making a small bucket of difference in the grand scale, somewhere.
Yes, I know the liberal (I identify myself with liberal issues too, so it's not a perjorative) attitude towards the military, especially the American military, is "WHY WOULD YOU JOIN THAT LEGION OF IMPERIALIST BABY KILLERS", but I mean, even if that was true (which, seeing as I see the everyday men and women who serve, no, we aren't, at least individually), if no one but imperialist baby killers joined up, that's all the military would ever be.
I know it's cliche to say you signed up to 'make a difference', but I'm so busy in terms of actually making a difference, doing my job with a fair minded attitude towards it is really all I can do.
I guess I'm just rambling, but emmy's sentiments made me think.
Yes, I know the liberal (I identify myself with liberal issues too, so it's not a perjorative) attitude towards the military, especially the American military, is "WHY WOULD YOU JOIN THAT LEGION OF IMPERIALIST BABY KILLERS", but I mean, even if that was true (which, seeing as I see the everyday men and women who serve, no, we aren't, at least individually), if no one but imperialist baby killers joined up, that's all the military would ever be.
I know it's cliche to say you signed up to 'make a difference', but I'm so busy in terms of actually making a difference, doing my job with a fair minded attitude towards it is really all I can do.
I guess I'm just rambling, but emmy's sentiments made me think.
Dyhalto
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If you don't know what Kony 2012 is, go watch it. It's still on youtube and will waste 30 minutes of your life.
It's basically advocating war. The comments on the original video were disabled because people were calling it by it's proper name : War Propoganda.
On a totally unproveable, personal anecdote, when the No Fly Zone over Libya was just an idea passed around at the UN, I wiki'd Gaddafi to see what he was all about. After the no fly zone was well into effect and bombs were being dropped almost daily, I checked on him again. All the parts about his social policies were removed, as were many of the positive changes that occured under his regime (increase literacy, free electricity, free healthcare, etc). I think if you go check it now, it's still all about what a horrible man he was, evil tyrant, brutal oppressor, etc, etc, etc.
Also, leave "perfect embodiment of human evil" for central bank shareholders.
And what's this about Bush? Do you mean George W Bush?
Anybody with a brain knows that when you signed up, you did so out of the goodness of your heart and willingness to lay your life down for your country and it's values. You deserve utmost respect for that. The problem is not that you're a pillaging privateer out for booty. It's that people still haven't gotten it through their thick skulls yet that war is a racket. At the end of the battle when all the bodies are cleared, wealthy and connected people get the tangible items (land, natural resource rights, arms/reconstruction contracts), while the men/women who spilt their blood get the feel-good taglines of "freedom" or "spreading democracy". Maybe a shiny medal too.
It's basically advocating war. The comments on the original video were disabled because people were calling it by it's proper name : War Propoganda.
author=Max McGeeGiven that somebody has an interest in "getting" Kony (get Osama bin Laden 2.0?), it's not unlikely that evidence mounted against him is hugely exaggerated. Think of the "rape rooms" as the US went into Iraq.
Kony's not just "another warlord" it's tough to think of a more perfect embodiment of human evil. I've done my own research on the guy (shallow, admittedly, I didn't "go to Africa" but I've read up on him) and he's really super extra horrible.
On a totally unproveable, personal anecdote, when the No Fly Zone over Libya was just an idea passed around at the UN, I wiki'd Gaddafi to see what he was all about. After the no fly zone was well into effect and bombs were being dropped almost daily, I checked on him again. All the parts about his social policies were removed, as were many of the positive changes that occured under his regime (increase literacy, free electricity, free healthcare, etc). I think if you go check it now, it's still all about what a horrible man he was, evil tyrant, brutal oppressor, etc, etc, etc.
Also, leave "perfect embodiment of human evil" for central bank shareholders.
author=CrazeMost self-styled activists are middle-class brats who need something to champion because their life is completely devoid of strife.
Thanks. I'd really appreciate it. Tell all of your "activist" friends that they should be in the know before they get involved.
And what's this about Bush? Do you mean George W Bush?
author=Feldschlacht IVPeople who blame the soldiers are idiots and should be ignored (whenever possible).
Yes, I know the liberal attitude towards the military, especially the American military, is "WHY WOULD YOU JOIN THAT LEGION OF IMPERIALIST BABY KILLERS"
Anybody with a brain knows that when you signed up, you did so out of the goodness of your heart and willingness to lay your life down for your country and it's values. You deserve utmost respect for that. The problem is not that you're a pillaging privateer out for booty. It's that people still haven't gotten it through their thick skulls yet that war is a racket. At the end of the battle when all the bodies are cleared, wealthy and connected people get the tangible items (land, natural resource rights, arms/reconstruction contracts), while the men/women who spilt their blood get the feel-good taglines of "freedom" or "spreading democracy". Maybe a shiny medal too.
Also, leave "perfect embodiment of human evil" for central bank shareholders.
What a stupendously ignorant and offensive statement this is. I'm pretty sure they rape a lot less children.
It won't fix a damn thing, and if you'd read more on what, you know, the people in Uganda wanted, they'd actually say that they'd rather people not storm in and shoot Kony in the face. And, actually, did you stop to consider that maybe, if he is still out there, his guards would be child soldiers? So, you're advocating storming in and killing a bunch of kids just to get to Kony, someone who isn't even that active any more? Sure, sounds like an excellent idea. No one has ever thought of doing something like that before.
Actually, he's not in Uganda, so what the people in Uganda want is not the most relevant; ask the people in the countries where he actually occupies.
Also, he could be completely inactive; he still deserves to die for what he's already done. Assuming basic operational competence, there are ways to do it that don't involve the death of any innocent people. Preventing future atrocities is great, but as far as I'm concerned he should be killed for the boatload of horrifying shit he's already done, it's a little thing called justice.
you should learn to read things properly because I wasn't comparing the two organizations, but rather what the act of killing the head of an organization does. The organizations themselves didn't play into my comparison at all.
Except that what happens when you kill the head of an organization depends completely and entirely on the organizational culture, which is why it was an ignorant comparison.
On a totally unproveable, personal anecdote, when the No Fly Zone over Libya was just an idea passed around at the UN, I wiki'd Gaddafi to see what he was all about. After the no fly zone was well into effect and bombs were being dropped almost daily, I checked on him again. All the parts about his social policies were removed, as were many of the positive changes that occured under his regime (increase literacy, free electricity, free healthcare, etc). I think if you go check it now, it's still all about what a horrible man he was, evil tyrant, brutal oppressor, etc, etc, etc.
It is completely ludicrous to compare Gaddafi and Kony. Didn't Gaddafi win the Nobel Peace prize or something? Kony is just an absolute monster.
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The truth is, the kind of slacktivism that Craze is pissy about is an inherent problem in our culture; it's not wedded to or synomyous with Kony2012. You can have just as much of a completely bullshit sense of having "worked toward change" with corrective rape or SOPA/PIPA or whatever.
