REAL TIME BATTLE

author=Linkis
I've been looking for real time battle games similar to
Legend of Zelda the original.

There's always this game - http://rpgmaker.net/games/2322/

xD

The reason most people go for standard RPGs is because they're just easier to make. If you're going for the "Zelda" type approach, you have to either sit there and code in an entire battle system from scratch which isn't an option for the average person. Or you can use one of the few scripts that are available for this sort of thing, which aren't that abundant from my research (at least for VX Ace). I'm working on a game like this right now, and it is way harder to make than a standard RPG.

If you're asking why MOST RPG Maker games that get posted to rpgmaker.net are RPGs... you probably should stop and think about that question for a second. :)

There are tons of indie adventure games out there, and some on this site, but this site focuses mostly on RPGs.

One really good one I've played, which was made in RPG Maker 2003 and is on this site, is Metal Gear Solid: Lunacy of Legion. It's basically a cross between Metal Gear Solid and Zelda: Link to the Past. You would enjoy it a lot, I think.

I also strongly recommend, in no particular order:
- Treasure Adventure Game
- Bunny Must Die
- La Mulana
- Gungirl 2
- Cave Story
- Spelunky
You won't find any of these games on this site, but they're all absolutely worth tracking down on Google.

They're not all for everyone, but he didn't really give any requests other than "zelda-like game with real time combat and upgrades," so I'm not sure which ones he'll like and which he'll hate. So I put some variety in there. I think all of those are really good at what they do - you just might not like what they do.

I really liked Treasure Adventure Game :(

Most rpg maker games use turn based combats, or really primitive action battle systems, because:
1. The developer lacks scripting skills
2. The developer has good scripting skills, but the engine (rpg maker ones), cant run that much of script.

I tried to make a decent action combat in Rpg maker XP. I wanted to make at least an AI capable of pathfinding, and after weeks of optimisation, the result was kind of bad.
So either, you are forced to make a dumb action battle system, (like shooting enemies, who approach you as brainless zombies (the maximum is, a limited pathfinder, some AI (like dringking potions, keep distance, and shoot arrows, and other spells).
I even implemented sneaking, and line of sight... But its not worth. Even the popular abs scripts are kind of.. disappointing. Xas hero has no, or little AI, and blizz abs is just laggy, and empty.

So yeah, this is the reason, for RM games.

author=Scalytank
Most rpg maker games use turn based combats, or really primitive action battle systems, because:
1. The developer lacks scripting skills
2. The developer has good scripting skills, but the engine (rpg maker ones), cant run that much of script.

I tried to make a decent action combat in Rpg maker XP. I wanted to make at least an AI capable of pathfinding, and after weeks of optimisation, the result was kind of bad.
So either, you are forced to make a dumb action battle system, (like shooting enemies, who approach you as brainless zombies (the maximum is, a limited pathfinder, some AI (like dringking potions, keep distance, and shoot arrows, and other spells).
I even implemented sneaking, and line of sight... But its not worth. Even the popular abs scripts are kind of.. disappointing. Xas hero has no, or little AI, and blizz abs is just laggy, and empty.

So yeah, this is the reason, for RM games.

Well, I don't think it's a less convincing AI than some Sideview Battle enemies that go everyround 80% standard attack 20% random poison/blind/whatever attack.

author=Scalytank
Most rpg maker games use turn based combats, or really primitive action battle systems, because:
1. The developer lacks scripting skills
2. The developer has good scripting skills, but the engine (rpg maker ones), cant run that much of script.

This is NOT true. It's a DESIGN CHOICE. And RPG Maker is very capable of making complex systems, it just depends on you as the user on what you are planning to do.

The reason there are "primitive" systems is because the scripters are trying to appeal to the mass audience and trying to make their systems as user friendly as possible. RM is supposed to be user friendly and designed to be user friendly. And user friendliness relies on simplicity. If they level up and want to take it a step further, that's what the scripting is for.

Another one would be the assets. How many people can actually make custom assets? <_<

Maybe my expectations are too high. I aggre that this IS a design choice. BUT i was talking about a case, where the design would be a battle system, similarly complex to what we see in elder scrolls, for example. So he either forced, to make something simpler, or cannot do it al all.. so this explains why there are like no games around here with systems like that...

Now, i dont say, that an abs without these high level scripts cannot beat those turn based ones. Personally, i have much more fun with ill will's battle system, than i had with skyrim :-D

I was just simply talking about the fact, that abses are more complex things, and a complex one is not meant to run in RM. (If he designs that way, he is a bad designer)
And one more thing.... i know that there are plenty of abs scripts out there. But i have helped a few people in the past. Some of them was a newbie... a lot of people dont know how to use blizz abs correctly, or xas... so this design choice becomes a skill choice once again. Maybe not every time, but they people cant do that... or maybe i met a lot of fail people :-D

The reason why i say these things:
I had a bad designer a while ago. He forced me to make the AI help eachother, solve mazes, summon elementals, and many enemy had some special skill, like bouncing missiles and such... we failed, because past 10 enemies, the lag was pretty high. The few months later i ported the same battle to a non RM engine, and we got 270 framerate with the exact same thing + the ability for the AI to travel between maps. This is the MAIN reason i say, that RM is not designed for that much thing. It was made for final fantasy like games in mind. Or simple abses. (But again, i dont say that one is more fun than the other... note my case with a commercial action game, and an RM one)


I currently work on two projects now. One will use abs, but not that complex one i wrote above. The other however will use turn based. This was our design choice, so i pretty much agree with the above posts :-)

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