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Closeget an SSD for installing the OS on and a larger regular HD (1TB+) for your files/movies/porn. it doesn't even have to be a large SSD - go for a reasonable size and price (128GB?)
emmych
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author=LockeZauthor=emmychIf you build it out of Kingdom Hearts gummi blocks, you can make the whole computer entirely out of gunsauthor=Skul_So if I built my own, I could mount guns on it?
Build one. Its like lego.
...I'll go back in the corner now
...this would be the perfect time for an image macro of Finn from Adventure Time making a ridiculous face
BUT I'M NOT ALLOOOOOOOOWED OTL
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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author=kentona
get an SSD for installing the OS on and a larger regular HD (1TB+) for your files/movies/porn. it doesn't even have to be a large SSD - go for a reasonable size and price (128GB?)
There's no meaningful advantage to solid state drives for a home computer. They go bad less often (anywhere from 1/4 to 1/10 as often depending on who you believe), and are slightly faster, that much is true. But when they go bad they immediately become totally nonfunctional, and retrieving the data that was on them is impossible unless you had a set of redundant SSDs set up in a RAID to duplicate all your data. Whereas when a normal hard drive goes bad, it's almost always gradual so you have a lot of warning and can back up your files, and it's often repairable just by running scandisk. In my opinion, that makes SSDs a worse choice than hard drives - I wouldn't get one even if it were the cheaper option.
author=emmychauthor=LockeZ...this would be the perfect time for an image macro of Finn from Adventure Time making a ridiculous faceauthor=emmychIf you build it out of Kingdom Hearts gummi blocks, you can make the whole computer entirely out of gunsauthor=Skul_So if I built my own, I could mount guns on it?
Build one. Its like lego.
...I'll go back in the corner now
BUT I'M NOT ALLOOOOOOOOWED OTL
author=LockeZSSDs are definitely nice to have as a performance booster and also as a means of long-term storage that is almost impervious to physical damage due to a lack of moving parts.author=kentonaThere's no meaningful advantage to solid state drives for a home computer. They go bad less often (anywhere from 1/4 to 1/10 as often depending on who you believe), and are slightly faster, that much is true. But when they go bad they immediately become totally nonfunctional, and retrieving the data that was on them is impossible unless you had a set of redundant SSDs set up in a RAID to duplicate all your data. Whereas when a normal hard drive goes bad, it's almost always gradual so you have a lot of warning and can back up your files, and it's often repairable just by running scandisk. In my opinion, that makes SSDs a worse choice than hard drives - I wouldn't get one even if it were the cheaper option.
get an SSD for installing the OS on and a larger regular HD (1TB+) for your files/movies/porn. it doesn't even have to be a large SSD - go for a reasonable size and price (128GB?)
However, SSDs currently range in the amount of around $200~300USD just for a 256GB SSD (128GB SSDs go for $100~200 and so forth). Given that I've experienced first-hand that the performance boost in question is very slight assuming a properly maintained Windows installation, this is honestly more of a luxury than a neccesity barring special needs. By comparison, a high quality 2TB HDD (about 8 times the size of a 256GB SSD!) only goes for about $180 or so; going simply by dollar-per-byte, SSDs aren't economical.
So if you (Calunio) have the spare cash to burn and would like to get a very slight performance boost, or if you actually have a need for a storage medium that is not as prone to physical damage, do get an SSD. Otherwise though, that money is better spent on a better CPU, RAM, video card, or even HDD.
@Ark: +1 for perfect_loop.gif
Testament
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author=KingArthur
Plus, if you build your own computer you don't have to worry about the bajillions of bloatware that PC manufacturers put on their computers.
I totally agree with this sentence, tons of software, mostly trial, noone needs. I always build my PC buying every single component and I've never regret. I change my PC every 5-7 years with minor change in the way.
SSDs own because it makes all kinds of daily shit instantaneous (relative to mechanicals) instead of various half second delays. My main computer has one and I can immediately tell the difference between it and other computers where the OS is on a mechanical drive and I miss it when it isn't there.
However it is near the top of FirstWorldProblems.txt and it should be near the bottom of shit to buy. I'd convert my SSD to a shiv before I gave up my monitors for example (another thing I miss on other computers).
Fixed that. Or $160 not on sale. Also in Canada so converted to US deals that's like ten bucks. Terabyte platter too which have great speed.
However it is near the top of FirstWorldProblems.txt and it should be near the bottom of shit to buy. I'd convert my SSD to a shiv before I gave up my monitors for example (another thing I miss on other computers).
author=KingArthur23TBHDD only goes for about$180$150
Fixed that. Or $160 not on sale. Also in Canada so converted to US deals that's like ten bucks. Terabyte platter too which have great speed.
Mr_Detective
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Hey guys, quick question : Is this laptop good enough to play games ?
Would it run Counter Strike Global Offensive and RPG Maker VX Ace well ? :D
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/890701-REG/Sony_VAIO_E_Series_14.html
Oh, and also, I think it does have a CD Drive, right ?
Would it run Counter Strike Global Offensive and RPG Maker VX Ace well ? :D
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/890701-REG/Sony_VAIO_E_Series_14.html
Oh, and also, I think it does have a CD Drive, right ?
Detective, avoid anything that says "integrated" or Intel graphics. Normally means it'll just use the motherboard's built-in graphics which are crap, needless to say. Get something that has its own graphics card (Radeon or Nvidia would do). I favour Acer laptops because they're cheap, tend to use decent Radeon cards and actually have the necessary RAM and processing power to play games.
That said if it's games you want to play, do not get a laptop. You can build a computer of your own for that price which will be twice as good. You are essentially paying for the Sony pricetag right there (aaand.. probably a lot of the price goes onto that screen too), and you will never be able to upgrade it unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing or you will end up with a smoking pile of scraps and a breached warranty. With a desktop, you just pop the case open and slap in whatever it is you just bought and it's done.
That said if it's games you want to play, do not get a laptop. You can build a computer of your own for that price which will be twice as good. You are essentially paying for the Sony pricetag right there (aaand.. probably a lot of the price goes onto that screen too), and you will never be able to upgrade it unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing or you will end up with a smoking pile of scraps and a breached warranty. With a desktop, you just pop the case open and slap in whatever it is you just bought and it's done.
Mr_Detective
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Yikes... I don't have the skills and knowledge to build my own computer. I do have a powerful desktop, but I also want something portable that I can carry around as well. I prefer Sony, and I did take a look at those Acer laptops, but they cost too high. :)
And it 's not that I am a PC gamer, either. I have a PS3 to play games, but I also want to have a laptop that 's good enough to use VX Ace, surf internet, watch Youtube, and play a few games. :D
My family told me to get this one instead. Is it good enough ? :P
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/890738-REG/Sony_VAIO_T_Series_14.html
And it 's not that I am a PC gamer, either. I have a PS3 to play games, but I also want to have a laptop that 's good enough to use VX Ace, surf internet, watch Youtube, and play a few games. :D
My family told me to get this one instead. Is it good enough ? :P
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/890738-REG/Sony_VAIO_T_Series_14.html
If you only want a laptop for those things, it's really not worthwhile spending a whole $700 on that one.
Here is one I found on Amazon, which has a quad-core processor which should more than handle Ace, the graphics are at least halfway decent enough to play a couple of PC games (maybe some with lower settings) and the RAM and HD space are sufficient.
I looked at some benchmarking sites and the graphics card in that laptop is 5x as good as mine, which runs most games on low settings pretty well.
Here is one I found on Amazon, which has a quad-core processor which should more than handle Ace, the graphics are at least halfway decent enough to play a couple of PC games (maybe some with lower settings) and the RAM and HD space are sufficient.
I looked at some benchmarking sites and the graphics card in that laptop is 5x as good as mine, which runs most games on low settings pretty well.
Ace isn't GPU bound at all and it is single threaded and it doesn't even require that much power. In terms of 'will it run?' the answer will always be 'yes (unless you have a netbook that has a tiny screen resolution)'. What's more important is playing games that use some ridiculous script that end up requiring a lot of CPU power. The game backend for VXP Ace games is single threaded and Ruby itself is green threaded so number of cores isn't a factor for Ace and single threaded performance of the CPU is far more important.
But at the end of it all most CPUs will handle Ace just fine so I wouldn't worry about it.
Integrated GPUs have come a ways since they moved on-die; the Haswell GPU has Skyrim playing at a steady FPS on x768 resolution on High detail except: Haswell isn't out yet and the test was on a desktop CPU. I'd suggest getting a discrete GPU like Caz suggested. This site ran a benchmark for CS:GO for laptops and pegged the AMD Radeon 7660G at near 60 FPS on 1366x768 and the Intel 4000 at 34 FPS. It isn't the same as what Caz posted but it should still do better than the integrated Intel 4000. A discrete GPU like the Radeon will have an impact on battery life compared to an integrated GPU like the Intel for similar class laptops (the Sony is an ultrabook and designed for a small profile and portability so its battery life capacity already takes a hit there anyways).
Also holy shit looking at laptops is depressing. I got mine back when C2Ds were still a thing and I had to look and pay a small premium to get a 1080 resolution screen on mine and even now they are still a bunch of fucking 768 resolution panels.
But at the end of it all most CPUs will handle Ace just fine so I wouldn't worry about it.
Integrated GPUs have come a ways since they moved on-die; the Haswell GPU has Skyrim playing at a steady FPS on x768 resolution on High detail except: Haswell isn't out yet and the test was on a desktop CPU. I'd suggest getting a discrete GPU like Caz suggested. This site ran a benchmark for CS:GO for laptops and pegged the AMD Radeon 7660G at near 60 FPS on 1366x768 and the Intel 4000 at 34 FPS. It isn't the same as what Caz posted but it should still do better than the integrated Intel 4000. A discrete GPU like the Radeon will have an impact on battery life compared to an integrated GPU like the Intel for similar class laptops (the Sony is an ultrabook and designed for a small profile and portability so its battery life capacity already takes a hit there anyways).
Also holy shit looking at laptops is depressing. I got mine back when C2Ds were still a thing and I had to look and pay a small premium to get a 1080 resolution screen on mine and even now they are still a bunch of fucking 768 resolution panels.
author=Mr_DetectiveHow is that possible? Last time I checked PS3 was just an overpriced Blu-ray player.
And it 's not that I am a PC gamer, either. I have a PS3 to play games.
Anyway, pretty much any laptop should run VX Ace as long as it's not a pint-sized Netbook or a damn PDA.
author=LockeZauthor=kentonaThere's no meaningful advantage to solid state drives for a home computer. They go bad less often (anywhere from 1/4 to 1/10 as often depending on who you believe), and are slightly faster, that much is true. But when they go bad they immediately become totally nonfunctional, and retrieving the data that was on them is impossible unless you had a set of redundant SSDs set up in a RAID to duplicate all your data. Whereas when a normal hard drive goes bad, it's almost always gradual so you have a lot of warning and can back up your files, and it's often repairable just by running scandisk. In my opinion, that makes SSDs a worse choice than hard drives - I wouldn't get one even if it were the cheaper option.
get an SSD for installing the OS on and a larger regular HD (1TB+) for your files/movies/porn. it doesn't even have to be a large SSD - go for a reasonable size and price (128GB?)
I for one noticed a whole lot of improvement from running an SSD for my OS. And after going through 3 HDDs in as many years, I've been running the same SSD for 4 years (and a second SSD in the risky RAID 0 for 3 of those years). Besides, an HDD needs a lot of itself to work in order to work as a boot disk, and only a relatively small amount to be a data disk. SSDs might fail more catastrophically, but the HDD would almost surely have given up the ghost (for booting, anyway) long before.
And if you only use the SSD for the OS and a few programs, you won't lose your files if it does fail.
CPU: Intel i5-3570K for maximum PC gaeming!!!
Mobo: Some Asus Z77 mobo that was on sale that isn't totally devoid of features (MSI is probably good enough, don't get Gigabyte they misreport voltages so fuck 'em)
(Alt: Get the i3 3220 and Asus H77 mobo if you don't need super elite fatality CPU power speeds for Gamecube/PS2 emulation or whatever)
RAM: Whatever DDR3 8GB DDR3-1333 or higher RAM is around
GPU: NVidia GTX 660 (the AMD competator is the 7870 with a bit better performance. I have it but the AMD support for sub-native resolution GPU scaling blows and I hate it)
For less "gotta play latest games on super-ultra-high on my x1440 monitor" there's the AMD 7770 series. Dunno what the NVidia competition at this price point is. Below this stick with the integrated GPU on the CPU.
Case: I don't know many good cases, most are some mix of over priced, shitty, huge, or dumb. This one is mine and it is pretty nice except that it's the size of the monolith from 2001 A Space Odyssey and I hate moving it.
Power Supply: I don't remember the good brands and models of PSUs. Also depends if you get the GTX 660 / 7870 or the 7770. Really the Antec Sonata III was a good Case w/ PSU combo and it's a shame it's dead now.
Monitor: Decent brand IPS panel monitor but what I really like is the Dell Ultrasharps 23" and 24" 1920x1200 when they're on sale for $80-$120 off. I got the 24" one and I love it.
27" 2560x1440's are probably the Korean ones on Ebay. Catleaps, Crossfires, etc.. Can be a gamble though.
I'm not sure about good cheaper ones. There's fifty million of the suckers and they're all the same. The fancy numbers like response time or contrast ratios are all marketing white noise now so ignore them.
Hard Drive: 3TB Seagate.
the thing everybody forgets: Just pick one and make sure it is SATA
Mobo: Some Asus Z77 mobo that was on sale that isn't totally devoid of features (MSI is probably good enough, don't get Gigabyte they misreport voltages so fuck 'em)
(Alt: Get the i3 3220 and Asus H77 mobo if you don't need super elite fatality CPU power speeds for Gamecube/PS2 emulation or whatever)
RAM: Whatever DDR3 8GB DDR3-1333 or higher RAM is around
GPU: NVidia GTX 660 (the AMD competator is the 7870 with a bit better performance. I have it but the AMD support for sub-native resolution GPU scaling blows and I hate it)
For less "gotta play latest games on super-ultra-high on my x1440 monitor" there's the AMD 7770 series. Dunno what the NVidia competition at this price point is. Below this stick with the integrated GPU on the CPU.
Case: I don't know many good cases, most are some mix of over priced, shitty, huge, or dumb. This one is mine and it is pretty nice except that it's the size of the monolith from 2001 A Space Odyssey and I hate moving it.
Power Supply: I don't remember the good brands and models of PSUs. Also depends if you get the GTX 660 / 7870 or the 7770. Really the Antec Sonata III was a good Case w/ PSU combo and it's a shame it's dead now.
Monitor: Decent brand IPS panel monitor but what I really like is the Dell Ultrasharps 23" and 24" 1920x1200 when they're on sale for $80-$120 off. I got the 24" one and I love it.
27" 2560x1440's are probably the Korean ones on Ebay. Catleaps, Crossfires, etc.. Can be a gamble though.
I'm not sure about good cheaper ones. There's fifty million of the suckers and they're all the same. The fancy numbers like response time or contrast ratios are all marketing white noise now so ignore them.
Hard Drive: 3TB Seagate.
the thing everybody forgets: Just pick one and make sure it is SATA
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
The stuff other than processor/ram/graphics is mostly not crap that you actually have any control over, unless you're forging your own computer from a block of steel and copper for whatever reason. Just find a nice refurbished laptop with good processor/ram/graphics, and hopefully its screen will be the size you prefer. Or a desktop, if you want, though desktops are harder to find and you might not find a good one that can ship to you by christmas.
author=GreatRedSpirit
Power Supply:I don't remember the good brands and models of PSUs. Also depends if you get the GTX 660 / 7870 or the 7770. Really the Antec Sonata III was a good Case w/ PSU combo and it's a shame it's dead now.
Monitor: Decent brand IPS panel monitor but what I really like is the Dell Ultrasharps 23" and 24" 1920x1200 when they're on sale for $80-$120 off. I got the 24" one and I love it.
I personally always buy Corsair PSUs, they're awesome (especially their modular PSUs) and well-built. For monitors I've always gotten NEC, though me being Japanese might have something to do with that one. (￣▽￣)ノ
Also, I'd go for the i7 (running an i7 2700k on this computer right now) if you're splurging but that's just me.
Last, but definitely not least: Get a mechanical keyboard (I use the Steelseries 6Gv2), once you've used one you'll never go back.
