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[POLL] I CAN'T BELIEVE IT :/
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Should this be able to happen? - Results
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Fuck Yeah!
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Goes off to create very easy RTP game to post on kickstarter for easy cash moneyz!!
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CloseAncient Dystopia
This is what happens when kickstarter is used for evil. Seriously there are people on this website alone who could make this game in a month or so.. FOR FREE! No credit for the graphics or anything has been noted either, it's like he's deceiving people into thinking he made it all himself when everything I saw was standard VXAce?
I just hope he delivers, honestly hope he does cause I would be pissed.
This is what happens when kickstarter is used for evil. Seriously there are people on this website alone who could make this game in a month or so.. FOR FREE! No credit for the graphics or anything has been noted either, it's like he's deceiving people into thinking he made it all himself when everything I saw was standard VXAce?
I just hope he delivers, honestly hope he does cause I would be pissed.
If people are willing to give their money for it, I don't see the direct problem. The page claims that there will be a run of CDs for the game, so $1100 to make 1000 CDs with cases and booklets sounds reasonable to me. I'm don't think it makes sense for any indie game project to have physical media anymore, but if that's a major goal then I guess it's a major goal.
In general, though, the second half of the page sounds like a lot of new game makers and programmers I meet. I know without a doubt that almost all will give up game making long before a single project is ever complete.
In general, though, the second half of the page sounds like a lot of new game makers and programmers I meet. I know without a doubt that almost all will give up game making long before a single project is ever complete.
Testament
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I'm speechless... but it's all a matter of offer and demand I think.
With Ace + RTP, in this case, and a license, everyone can sell his/her games.
If he sell it and the people pay for it... it's their money after all.
Maybe it is a matter of "ignorance" about the existence af a tool like RM ace, maybe the buyers think he does everything in C++ (cause he claims to know ho to program in various languages).
For CD version of the game, the price seems reasonable.
I for one DO WANT a physical copy of my game complete with cover and booklet. I want only physical copy of what I collect and play, indie or not.
We'll see if he can do all he claims with 5000 $
(anyway, I'll never pay for a RTP game)
With Ace + RTP, in this case, and a license, everyone can sell his/her games.
If he sell it and the people pay for it... it's their money after all.
Maybe it is a matter of "ignorance" about the existence af a tool like RM ace, maybe the buyers think he does everything in C++ (cause he claims to know ho to program in various languages).
For CD version of the game, the price seems reasonable.
I for one DO WANT a physical copy of my game complete with cover and booklet. I want only physical copy of what I collect and play, indie or not.
We'll see if he can do all he claims with 5000 $
(anyway, I'll never pay for a RTP game)
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
To be honest 99% of mobile games are worse than this. I'm amused and surprised anyone would back a programming project by a 16 year old with no experience, but kudos to him.
author=LockeZ
To be honest 99% of mobile games are worse than this. I'm amused and surprised anyone would back a programming project by a 16 year old with no experience, but kudos to him.
For some people, that's the whole allure. They're helping out a kid with something he's passionate about. Kickstarter is more about the people than the project.
Damn, that kid knows C++ and C# at 16?
Anyway, I have no beef with a kid starting a Kickstarter for some personal project. What's ridiculous is that all of these people supported him, but hey, maybe they just want to help out some kid regardless of result. I only shudder to think they might trust him to actually finish the game.
Why get upset over this? It's not like he's forcing people to donate to him, he's just begging for cash on the internet. If you want to get angry, blame supporters for encouraging this. Hell, the kid is pretty refreshingly honest about his experience on the page, if not stupidly optimistic.
Anyway, I have no beef with a kid starting a Kickstarter for some personal project. What's ridiculous is that all of these people supported him, but hey, maybe they just want to help out some kid regardless of result. I only shudder to think they might trust him to actually finish the game.
Why get upset over this? It's not like he's forcing people to donate to him, he's just begging for cash on the internet. If you want to get angry, blame supporters for encouraging this. Hell, the kid is pretty refreshingly honest about his experience on the page, if not stupidly optimistic.
Another chance to post Calvin and Hobbes!
Dumb kick starters get funded, whatever. There'll be others too. Saturation on kick starter is probably the best way for would-be contributors to recognize some games use the same graphics and they aren't actually that original! Until then caveat emptor, Internet libertarian style!
Dumb kick starters get funded, whatever. There'll be others too. Saturation on kick starter is probably the best way for would-be contributors to recognize some games use the same graphics and they aren't actually that original! Until then caveat emptor, Internet libertarian style!
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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This kind of thing shouldn't be allowed to happen, but looking over the comments of "Wow, you're able to do this at such a young age? You're quite the game design prodigy, aren't you. Here's my money.", it's hardly the kid's fault that he's getting money thrown at his game that, in the back of his mind, he's laughing his ass off at just knowing the high tier rewards will take him all of a minute to create (pay this much for a "custom spell"!). What I find honestly sickening is that he's promoting the release of all of those broken beta versions to those who are willing to pay more, as if those were something special and playable instead of just Date Modified: Oct 16, 2012.
You see, it may be an entirely different form of media, but something like this (something that deserves to have money thrown at it and is something the world/internet actually needs) is what I want to see on Kickstarter, not this.
If only RPG Maker was more well known, then we'd no longer have VX RTP games getting thrown up on Kickstarter asking for anything more than the cost of the license (assuming they didn't just PIRATE the program).
You see, it may be an entirely different form of media, but something like this (something that deserves to have money thrown at it and is something the world/internet actually needs) is what I want to see on Kickstarter, not this.
If only RPG Maker was more well known, then we'd no longer have VX RTP games getting thrown up on Kickstarter asking for anything more than the cost of the license (assuming they didn't just PIRATE the program).
It's hard for me to hate a kid when AAA giants are literally doing the same thing and basically encouraging this sort of behavior. Plus, it's not like the kid wanted to get rich off this scheme, he only asked for the $1000 he needed to print physical copies and $100, which is by and far not remotely enough to cover him backing all the rewards he's promising. If he never intended on making a game/giving CDs, hey... he's 16. You got had.
Let me put it this way, it's more stupid and ill-advised than evil. Hyper-KS-fanatics will soon learn their lesson - I'm looking at you, Code Hero - and people will realize they need to do some research or use some basic common sense before throwing money at things.
I find it hard to hate some 16-year-old for tricking people into giving him money when half the internet with a credit card encouraged him to do so, and that's making the assumption he is tricking people.
Let me put it this way, it's more stupid and ill-advised than evil. Hyper-KS-fanatics will soon learn their lesson - I'm looking at you, Code Hero - and people will realize they need to do some research or use some basic common sense before throwing money at things.
I find it hard to hate some 16-year-old for tricking people into giving him money when half the internet with a credit card encouraged him to do so, and that's making the assumption he is tricking people.
author=Corfaisus
If only RPG Maker was more well known, then we'd no longer have VX RTP games getting thrown up on Kickstarter asking for anything more than the cost of the license (assuming they didn't just PIRATE the program).
It looks like almost all of the money being asked for is to make the media, though. So it's not so different than using the money for the cost of a license.
Of course, I do believe a lot people looking at it think that a lot more of it was hand made by him than actually was. Which does bother me.
author=slashphoenix
Damn, that kid knows C++ and C# at 16?
In a way, I knew C#, Basic, JavaScript and ARexx at 16. But for most languages, there's no way to 'know' them. Being able to write code that compiles or interprets and runs without an error is a lot different than understanding how to fluently write in a programming language. And really 'knowing' a language is a life long pursuit.
In my eyes, this is bad. But then again, let's think of it like this. They are using a program made on a computer that costs quite a bit itself. So, if the guy is doing it liscensed, I'd of said no, he isn't allowed. And yet he is, and yet I said he was allowed to. Why? Because he apparently is, and others don't care. No one's going to stop him. This topic isn't going to make him think, "Hm...maybe I should go and replace the RTP with custom graphics/make my game free.", most likely he doesn't know this topic exists, while he's laughing his ass off.
I'd have to say that he's only doing what Enterbrain is doing. Should it really cost money to make programs? Just type up a LOT of code, make pictures to make it not just code, ect. None of that should cost so much money that they need to SELL these programs for $60 or so. And so the same as this kid. He is making money off of stuff, when he doesn't need the money, and so, I am saying he is allowed.
I'd have to say that he's only doing what Enterbrain is doing. Should it really cost money to make programs? Just type up a LOT of code, make pictures to make it not just code, ect. None of that should cost so much money that they need to SELL these programs for $60 or so. And so the same as this kid. He is making money off of stuff, when he doesn't need the money, and so, I am saying he is allowed.
I can only see this bullshit so many times, before I toss up my hands and just say, 'Welp!'
Because, yeah. The thing is this IS wrong. We look at it, and scoff because we know as much. Other people don't seem to hold these games up to any quality standards. What can you/we do about it? Diddle. You have to pay him to comment, and even that's against the KS rules. (I read the agreement.)
End of the story? RMN, and other fine game sites will continue to host free (and now paid) games that ARE held up to standards. We don't have to play that rtp garbage.
Because, yeah. The thing is this IS wrong. We look at it, and scoff because we know as much. Other people don't seem to hold these games up to any quality standards. What can you/we do about it? Diddle. You have to pay him to comment, and even that's against the KS rules. (I read the agreement.)
End of the story? RMN, and other fine game sites will continue to host free (and now paid) games that ARE held up to standards. We don't have to play that rtp garbage.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
It's arguably lame that the internet's free access to instant global communication hasn't made it so quality and price are intrinsically linked. But it's not wrong to sell something for money if it's legal and you spent effort making it, unless there's a bigger issue than that it's just not very good. I doubt he's laughing, in any case, I'm sure he thinks his game is really good and would have been heartbroken if no one funded it.
author=DudesoftWait, what? Blocking non-funders from commenting is a built-in feature of Kickstarter, how can it be against the rules to check that box in your project's settings? Where is this in the rules? I am looking at the rules and do not see anything about comments at all.
You have to pay him to comment, and even that's against the KS rules. (I read the agreement.)
author=LockeZThere's a rule directly against trash talking.
It's arguably lame that the internet's free access to instant global communication hasn't made it so quality and price are intrinsically linked. But it's not wrong to sell something for money if it's legal and you spent effort making it, unless there's a bigger issue than that it's just not very good. I doubt he's laughing, in any case, I'm sure he thinks his game is really good and would have been heartbroken if no one funded it.author=DudesoftWait, what? Blocking non-funders from commenting is a built-in feature of Kickstarter, how can it be against the rules to check that box in your project's settings? Where is this in the rules? I am looking at the rules and do not see anything about comments at all.
You have to pay him to comment, and even that's against the KS rules. (I read the agreement.)
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Maybe my post was misleading. I meant, you can't comment to make a point about how stupid or whatever his game is.
