NOT SAVING GIVING A BETTER REWARD?

Actually if the item in question is something you can obtain normally like gold or a healing potion, etc then it shouldn't be a problem at all, for anyone.
You just get alittle extra for being badass.

If it is a rare/unique item then I can see why those people who can't play for more than 30 minutes might be sour.
Though if you enjoy the game it shouldn't be a problem.

Here's my suggestion to the TC:

If you can, try one of LockeZ's suggestions. Either allow soft saves or instead of disallowing saves, enforce them (allow separate saves between missions though.) Those ideas require scripting though while just disallowing saving can easily be done with events, so I understand if you opt for the simple solution.

The reward should be enough to make a difference, but shouldn't be something you cannot obtain by other means. The game should also be reasonable beatable even without the rewards and with no grinding.

Those who still object to the idea should not be considered part of the target audience. If you don't find that acceptable, abandon the idea.

The great thing about the GD&T forum is you can start a discussion about your own game, but by the end of the first page it almost always becomes a much more general topic useful to a lot of people.

I thought that was the purpose of this forum.

author=LockeZ
I think I just got an aneurism from reading this. This is some unbelievably retarded ass logic.

If you don't think you have any better of an idea of how to make a game fun than any of your players, then stop making games. Stop. Right now. You just admitted you have no idea how to make them more fun than the player sitting there imagining things on his own. That is not okay. Uninstall RPG Maker, delete your account, close your browser, and join a monastery. You need to seriously reevaluate your life. If I were the admin of this website I would ban you; you should not be here and your presence is cancerous. I cannot even convey how strongly I feel about this.

I laughed so hard at this, I feel awful now lol

But yeah, this type of self-induced challenge COULD work depending on the game, but only for really short games. I really can't see it working for a 7-hourish game unless it's possible to speed-run through the whole thing. Either way, it'd have to be a damn good reward.

I don't really agree with that "Don't like it? Play something else!" stance.

Just recently I watched a presentation about the new golden age of board games and there one of the main reasons mentioned as to why board games are superior to video games was that people can easily change the rules in a way they (together with their friends) enjoy them the most, which is usually not possible in video games.

I've actually done this. What you guys aren't getting is that it isn't to penalize you, it's a reward. You play the game normally, you get the standard rewards for playing the game. But if you're going sort of marathon mode, and trying to play in a single sitting, what's wrong with rewarding such?

You can either do this:

• By mission, checking to see if you've ever saved (probably uses Save Detector). If you haven't, each mission complete gets you richer and richer. If you have, rewards stop.
• By mission, using individual "No" options concerning saves as a gauge whether to reward or not. If he's doing this, I can't see why you are complaining. You can save at any point, and it just risks that missions rewards. In fact, this is identical to the action points system of DnD, where continuing fighting without a rest gives action points.
• You can have one major reward at the end of the game (requires both a Save Detector, and some sort of Game Plus mode). I gave some trophy that allows immunity to pretty much everything. Of course, the fact that you have to play a game with upwards of 90 hours between story and grind, might make things a bit difficult. I may want some sort of exp bonus for not saving, if people seriously try this.

I sometimes wonder if people think that this topic is about disabling saving all together? Which I don't think was supposed to be the case at all.

author=bulmabriefs144
I've actually done this. What you guys aren't getting is that it isn't to penalize you, it's a reward.

If the players feel like they're being penalized, then it really doesn't matter if it's intended to be a reward. In general, game designers try to put things into their games that they think will be fun. If they always succeeded, there would only be great games. Just because it's intended as a reward doesn't mean players won't find it harms their experience.