EDWARD SNOWDEN: ‘I ALREADY WON’
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author=The Guardian News
The whistleblower Edward Snowden has declared “mission accomplished”, seven months after revelations were first published from his mass leak of National Security Agency documents. The documents, which were passed to the Guardian, as well the Washington Post and other publications, revealed how technological developments were used by the US surveillance agency to spy on its own citizens and others abroad, and also to spy on allies, such as the US on Germany and Australia on Indonesia.
In 14 hours of interviews with Washington Post journalist Barton Gellman, Snowden said: “For me, in terms of personal satisfaction, the mission’s already accomplished.” He continued: “I already won. As soon as the journalists were able to work, everything that I had been trying to do was validated. Because, remember, I didn’t want to change society. I wanted to give society a chance to determine if it should change itself. “All I wanted was for the public to be able to have a say in how they are governed.”
Snowden said other colleagues at the NSA had been concerned the agency was spying on “more Americans in America than Russians in Russia” and were not entirely comfortable with the data collected on “ordinary” citizens. He described using the “front-page test” on his colleagues when raising the issues, asking them how they thought the public would react if information was reported on the front page of a newspaper. He said he had brought his concerns to at least four superiors and 15 colleagues at the NSA and used a heatmap from the data query tool BOUNDLESSINFORMANT to show how much data the agency was collecting.
The NSA told the Washington Post that none of these approaches had taken place. Snowden also said he had suggested changing NSA systems so there would need to be a second authorisation for copying files to a hard drive but was rejected. If his suggestion had been implemented Snowden would not have been able to copy all the files he took. An NSA spokeswoman also denied those conversations had taken place. “I am not trying to bring down the NSA, I am working to improve the NSA,” Snowden said.
“I am still working for the NSA right now. They are the only ones who don’t realise it.” Snowden revealed a little of his life in asylum in Moscow. He likened himself to an ascetic and a house cat and said he rarely left the house, spending most of his days surfing the internet – though visitors have brought him piles of books. He does not drink – he says he never has – and lives mostly on ramen noodles.
There has been speculation that Snowden has rigged up a type of “dead man’s switch” so if the NSA, or a similar spy agency, hurt or kill him, then a cache of thousands of documents would be released on to the internet. Snowden denied this and likened the scenario to a “suicide switch”, alluding to people who might want the information on the internet, unchecked and unredacted, and would kill him for the sake of it.
He named the chairs of the Senate and house intelligence committee, Dianne Feinstein and Mike Rogers, as people who had “elected” him to his whistleblower position by not doing their jobs properly in ensuring the oversight of the NSA. “It wasn’t that they put it on me as an individual – that I’m uniquely qualified, an angel descending from the heavens – as that they put it on someone, somewhere,” he said. “You have the capability, and you realise every other sitting around the table has the same capability but they don’t do it. So somebody has to be the first.”
He said he had no relationship with the Russian government. “If I defected at all, I defected from the government to the public,” he said.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/24/edward-snowden-i-already-won
Thoughts on this?
Obama promised transparent government; Snowden merely helped him make good on that pledge.
All joking aside, this is a complicated issue. On the one hand, I view Edward Snowden as a patriot for exposing this unconstitutional activity (started under Bush and expanded under Obama). On the other hand, I'm concerned about the other information he has and, most likely, has shared. If he's put the lives of U.S. operatives at risk, then I would call him a traitor.
Until more developments have arisen, I'm stuck in a middle position of applauding and scrutinizing him.
All joking aside, this is a complicated issue. On the one hand, I view Edward Snowden as a patriot for exposing this unconstitutional activity (started under Bush and expanded under Obama). On the other hand, I'm concerned about the other information he has and, most likely, has shared. If he's put the lives of U.S. operatives at risk, then I would call him a traitor.
Until more developments have arisen, I'm stuck in a middle position of applauding and scrutinizing him.
Yeah, I generally find truth more important than what the government wants and human safety more important than the truth. I'm also unsure if I want to applaud him or boo. If people don't end up dead because of the info he exposed I'm definitely clapping.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Well, I believe truth is more valuable than human life. With absolute knowledge, I believe there would be no evil. And each step we can take towards that is a step in the right direction.
However, it's irrelevant because the only person he put in danger is himself.
+He's reporting digital surveillance, which does not include agents interacting physically with anyone, just spying on them from halfway across the world. His reports are about technology and policies, not people.
+Plus, the NSA doesn't have secret agents like the CIA - NSA operatives are not covert, and everyone around you knows if you work for them.
+Plus, there are no NSA operatives operating on foreign soil, unless they are breaking both foreign and US law, in which case they deserve to die.
+Plus, and this could have changed, but last time I checked, I believe he only reported on past operations and general policies, not current operations?
+Plus, his report stated that depsite the NSA's claim that digital surveillance had resulted in dozens of terrorist plots foiled, it had actually only directly resulted in one single terrorist being stopped. One. And that was concluded before he released his reports. So who exactly would any operatives be in danger from, if nothing he's talking about has resulted in the NSA finding any criminal activity in years?
However, it's irrelevant because the only person he put in danger is himself.
+He's reporting digital surveillance, which does not include agents interacting physically with anyone, just spying on them from halfway across the world. His reports are about technology and policies, not people.
+Plus, the NSA doesn't have secret agents like the CIA - NSA operatives are not covert, and everyone around you knows if you work for them.
+Plus, there are no NSA operatives operating on foreign soil, unless they are breaking both foreign and US law, in which case they deserve to die.
+Plus, and this could have changed, but last time I checked, I believe he only reported on past operations and general policies, not current operations?
+Plus, his report stated that depsite the NSA's claim that digital surveillance had resulted in dozens of terrorist plots foiled, it had actually only directly resulted in one single terrorist being stopped. One. And that was concluded before he released his reports. So who exactly would any operatives be in danger from, if nothing he's talking about has resulted in the NSA finding any criminal activity in years?
This whole Snowden affair is what's called a Limited Hangout. In one sentence, it's a propaganda technique where you "reveal" something that doesn't cause collateral damage to yourself, while at the same time revealing something else that can be used to sway public opinion in a direction you want.
There's a great article on the subject here.
There's a great article on the subject here.
author=Dyhalto
This whole Snowden affair is what's called a Limited Hangout.
You're making a joke, right? Because it definitely isn't.
Stealing as much sensitive intelligence data as you can and running off to give it to another country is an odd way to define "patriot."
author=Solitayre
Stealing as much sensitive intelligence data as you can and running off to give it to another country is an odd way to define "patriot."
If he'd stayed here he would have been prosecuted like Bradley Manning. The information Snowden has is his only bargaining chip.
Anyone who is willing to expose the wrongdoings of their government to the general public is a patriot in my book.
I agree with the government transparency this guy's advocating. At the same time, his douchiness is palpable, especially with that fucking angel comment.
In a world where a dangerous majority of people look to a powerful corporate-controlled government to take care of them and destroy/silence their opponents, something and/or someone(s) need to provide a counterbalance to that undeserved, unbridled power.
we get it one party wants protection of citizens and one party wants to get rid of big government
"unbridled" lol. better put obama to the whip, he has cotton to pick
"unbridled" lol. better put obama to the whip, he has cotton to pick
author=Craze
we get it one party wants protection of citizens and one party wants to get rid of big government
"unbridled" lol. better put obama to the whip, he has cotton to pick
You used the royal "we." You're just you, Craze. And you don't get it apparently, because what you said was complete nonsense.
author=Jude
You're making a joke, right? Because it definitely isn't.
I know you aren't one for long winded posts so I'll just leave it at no I'm not, and yes it is.
harmonicCrazeYou used the royal "we." You're just you, Craze. And you don't get it apparently, because what you said was complete nonsense.
we get it one party wants protection of citizens and one party wants to get rid of big government
"unbridled" lol. better put obama to the whip, he has cotton to pick
and you slapping a thesaurus on the screen is sensible yes
w/e i just like antagonizing you, maybe i'll get a second death threat
author=DarklordKeinor
All joking aside, this is a complicated issue. On the one hand, I view Edward Snowden as a patriot for exposing this unconstitutional activity (started under Bush and expanded under Obama). On the other hand, I'm concerned about the other information he has and, most likely, has shared. If he's put the lives of U.S. operatives at risk, then I would call him a traitor.
Well, it's been quite a while since ol Eddie's info was revealed, so surely whoever's out for these U.S. operatives would have done something noticeable by now?
I don't know nearly as much as I should about this guy other than Reddit considers him a God or something and as such I'm a bit skeptical about him by default
author=Yellow Magic
Well, it's been quite a while since ol Eddie's info was revealed, so surely whoever's out for these U.S. operatives would have done something noticeable by now?
If anything was going to be done, I suppose it would have happened by now.
author=Yellow Magic
I don't know nearly as much as I should about this guy other than Reddit considers him a God or something and as such I'm a bit skeptical about him by default
There's nothing wrong with being skeptical. As for the Reddit comment, anyone that considers him a God is delusional; though I suppose some people could easily say the same thing to me over my patriot comment...and political leanings, but I don't want to rehash the last political conservation I had on here so I'll leave it at that.
It'll be interesting to see what happens. It's possible I could end up disappointed in Snowden when all is said and done. That kindly depends on what happens with his story.
I will say this, I'm getting tired of this story being dragged through the dirt. When is there ever going to be action?
author=Craze
and you slapping a thesaurus on the screen is sensible yes
Thanks! That's just naturally how elegantly I talk. I do get accused of thesaurus quite often.
maybe i'll get a second death threat
Whaaambulence
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