UKRAINE: PROTESTS AGAINST THE WITHDRAWAL FROM FUTURE WITH EU

author=Linkis
It's too bad the UN can't just change the Veto to a majority vote system.

So many times all but one member tries to do something to help a group of
people and that one damn UN member is allowed to screw it up with his veto.

It's too bad the Russian people have to live with the results of Putins
desire to rule that part of the world.

You need a serious history lesson, first of all the UN can NEVER do anything military wise without the US financial support, every single effort they make is paid for with US money which makes them completely worthless since the US is in debt like crazy now!

2nd Ukraine and Crimea are the ancestral home of the Russian people, a part of the empire, the last TRUE empire. It doesn't matter what the US or canada or anyother country say, they need to fix there own massive problems before trying to correct anyone else. Putin laughs at Obama because he knows he can't to ANYTHING to Russia.

Putin is a father bringing his sons back into the family where they belong. He will not give up his presidency because it's time someone actually started fixing things in Russia and he is the man to do it.

Oh and another thing the Ukraine is not innocent in all of this, what people are very quick to forget for some reason is before all this happened Ukraine was to join America in the war on terror in Afghanistan!

But wait, how can they do this, do they really have the money to join a war? They have the food and fuel and they money to pay their troops? NO the US pays for it all! That scum is profiting off the war and does not even have the permission to enter the country so I have no sympathy for them, their president is corrupt and sold his own people out to be another dog of the US.

"Putin is a father bringing his sons back into the family where they belong. He will not give up his presidency because it's time someone actually started fixing things in Russia and he is the man to do it."

Really? Lato, you sound like someone who has been brainwashed. Did you attend "Putins Youth Camp"? You are spouting what sounds like something kids learn in a propaganda training school.

All I'm saying is the Russian people in Russia are having to live with sanctions NOT ONLY put in place by the US but also by most of the European countries. Don't blame all this on the US.
If the Ukrain people wanted to be ruled by Russia they would not have formed a democratic government. They also would not be wanting to join the EU and NATO to help protect them from being ruled by Russia. If the Russian speaking Ukrainians want to be ruled by Russia they have the right to move to Russia. Just don't take Ukrainian land with them :)
If that former KGB officer would keep his nose out of Ukrain, the Russian speaking Ukrain people he says he is helping would not be dying every day.
Also, the Russian soldiers would not be buried in graves and lost to their families and loved ones with no knowledge of how they died. Has Putin even stated on Moscow controlled media that he is responsible for invading Ukrain with Russian troops who are being killed. What has Putin told the mothers and the wives of these troops?

Brainwashed? No, I just have faith. And since when does a father need to explain himself to his son?

@Kaliesto politics on a game site, yeah might not be such a good idea, but it is just good to be able to express your opinions and feeling about the world. Would you rather not have that freedom?

author=Lato
Putin is a father bringing his sons back into the family where they belong. He will not give up his presidency because it's time someone actually started fixing things in Russia and he is the to do it.

Sorry, but the Soviet Union isn't coming back, no matter how much you pine for an era you were never around for and do not understand. It was an oppressive blight on eastern Europe.

author=Dyhalto

author=Linkis
Really? Lato, you sound like someone who has been brainwashed.

Talk about a pot calling a kettle black.

Lol thank you, that made my day.

I know that Putin (or Medvevdev) has stated that Russian nationals outside of Russia is "under the protection" of Russia. Which obviously made a lot of old Soviet states upset. I know that in the Baltic states there's a fair amount of russophobia with loads of distrust towards the Russians that stayed in their countries when they became independent.

So Putin is bringing his sons back into the family, but in doing so he is fucking up the lives of Estonians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Ukrainians, etc.

I usually avoid posting in topics like these because I find it hard to constructively discuss such issues in forums. But I just can't get around it this time.

Lato, it is very obvious you have strong opinions, and there is nothing fundamentally wrong with that. I can't and won't try to convince you to change your position and suddenly start hating Putin and the Russian government or such things. I only want you to ask yourself: What is truly important?

You make is sound as if the desire of Eastern Ukrainians to keep their Country intact and not join Russia is worth less than the desire of the others that want to be Russian. Why is that? Is really worth it to have so many people killed and become killers just for the sake of changing a few borders? Are notions of an "Empire" more important than the humans in the countries you're talking about? Wouldn't a real father rather try to keep his children alive and well by supporting them instead of caring more about the ground they are living on than about their actual lives?

I'm not foolish enough to think America or Europe or any other part of the world is perfect and never makes mistakes. I strongly disagree with many of Russia's polictical decisions, but that doesn't mean I dislike Russians as people. Similarly, there are a lot of things wrong in other parts of the world, including the part I live in, and I am glad many people stand up against those social evils. But calling others "scum" because they represent an idea of the world you do not support is going very far.
You say you have faith. Are the Ukrainians not allowed to have faith in their respective country? Or the Americans, for that matter? They are humans just like you, after all. Why would you respect the wishes of some, but not those of others?

Now, those images of the leader of a state being like a "father" and bringing people from neighbour countries "back home" are expressions that have been used to justify aggressions in the past a lot. Even Germany used those exact words for propaganda campaigns during the Second World War. So it is no wonder Linkis was being sceptical about your utterances.
Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to compare anyone here to Nazi Germany. All I am trying to say is: Do not idealize. Being angry about one side's bad actions but ignoring those of another can easily set you on a very wrong path. Don't allow that happen to yourself.

The desire of Eastern Ukrainians? Where was this when their president was selling them out to the EU and America to get that money to join the war on terror. It was only after things got even worse and they saw how scummy their president really was that they wanted change.

Americans to have been sold out by their leaders so do their desires matter less? Oh yes they do, you have to give people a chance to fail, and these people have failed themselves for a long time. In a free society/government it is the duty of the people to make sure the government is made FOR the people and BY the people. Not some rich politician.

Yet they are not changing anything and see how things have gotten so much worse. Aggression brings real change, and to idealize a man that brings real change and a country that is one of the oldest in the world is a good thing in my opinion. To be a part of a country that has a future is beautiful, to be a part of one where everyone is shackled by debt and incompetence is not.

I, too, would yearn for a powerful father figure if my views and convictions were childlike in nature.

The likening of a political leader to that of a "father" is childlike. Insulting anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint is childlike. Ignoring difficult questions is childlike. Making sweeping and naive generalizations is childlike.

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The point is, your insult-and-ignorance-laced posts and antagonistic attitude is worth little more that a mocking jab, and any serious attempts to converse with you is wasted effort.